Potty shots…should they be allowed?

[FTMaz]

Hi all
It makes me very uncomfortable when people post ‘potty shots’ on here, for me they should be private photos. I’ve seen a thread on here asking women to post potty shots which got alarm bells ringing. I work in children’s safeguarding so I don’t know if I’m just overly sensitive.

interested to know others thoughts? I am thinking about emailing mumsnet about it.

Never heard that term. How bizarre.

I never click on scan shots, I think.. wait till it’s out.

Safeguarding children is the business of all.

I agree, it's weird. I would not do that. Honestly, it's ridiculous

Because she wants to?

Brilliant. Please do the same. Now.

Either your own genitals or those of a recently born child.

A defence lawyer welcomed the ruling, describing the case as “meritless”. The defendants had previously argued that Elden had “spent three decades profiting from his celebrity as the self-anointed ‘Nirvana Baby’”, including recreating the image for the album’s 15th and 25th anniversaries. Elden also has a tattoo of the word Nevermind on his chest.

The foetus is in her womb, she can choose if she wants to.

You're a bit of a weirdo, I require dinner and a dance before I send pics

It’s the woman’s body. If she wants to share an ultrasound of her womb, it’s up to her.

I get the reasoning for it not being passed but I also think putting a naked baby on an album cover is wrong.

Okay. But legally we're in a very weird period where you're saying "contents of a womb!"

But the actual child might, reasonably, down the line say "I didn't want my arse and genitals all over the Internet before I was even born"

Can they consent to what is legally child pornography before they're born?

Would you put up photos of their first pee/poo on a toilet from that angle with the same agency? Or do they only have agency when a parent tells them they do?

I haven't posted scan photos, nor even have a shot like this, but I can't get worried if others do. Should you really be sharing any photos of scans if you are worried, I mean the baby isn't wearing clothes! They are naked!

Did you immediately put up photos of your naked newborn?

In the hours it took from being inside your body to outside your body, where is the line?

Can they consent to what is legally child pornography before they're born?

And saying this is just silly, getting an ultrasound is not "legally" images of child sexual abuse (current term for what used to be called child pornography).

Did you immediately put up photos of your naked newborn?

Ask OP, she admits she did share scan photos.

I shared my photos with close family and friends, but not the one from the sex scan. There is a difference, for me anyway, between that and other photos.

I don’t know why you’re trying to be facetious I’ll happily explain my rational.

A) the term is indecent images of children or images of child sexual abuse. “Child pornography” doesn’t exist because pornography is something the actors involved consent to.
B) Of course a scan image showing genitalia is not an indecent image of a child. For one thing, a foetus is not recognised in law as a child. For two, it’s a medical image taken during a legitimate medical procedure. If it were an indecent image, the sonographer could be prosecuted for firstly taking it and secondly printing it and distributing it to the parents.

I’m not disagreeing with the argument that they shouldn’t be on the internet. I wouldn’t post one myself and I do find it a bit odd when other people do. But the argument that by doing so they are sharing indecent images of children is ludicrous.

Yeah I'll agree with you there. My main rage came from working on a case where the defense argued that as the child wasn't separated from the umbilical cord it wasn't rape.

Which is true. Sadly.

So I take your point. It's ludicrous to be slightly hyperbolic on the side of safeguarding rather than silent and entirely correct.

It’s not an indecent image of a child by law, no. But I can see why it could be compared as so. For me I just wouldn’t want strangers looking at what will be my babies’ genitalia and I find it strange that others are okay with it 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do also think the ‘it’s a foetus not a baby’ argument loses its momentum on this one as if a mother is sharing these images they are already humanising the foetus ‘what gender/sex is our baby’ no one says ‘what gender/sex is our foetus’

I think If like me, you work in a role where you deal with extreme cases you
a. Know how fucked up people can be
b. Always choose being overly cautious over apathy

Doesn’t matter how the mother chooses to refer to it. What matters is what the law says. Some women see their baby as a baby from conception, some see it as a bunch of cells they want to abort. Both viewpoints are equally valid but the law is there to ensure no grey areas.

I work in safeguarding too. I’m more worried about the foetuses being prenatally exposed to alcohol and drugs, or those who are already stressed pre-birth due to the impact of DA on a terrified mother. I do take your point that putting these images on the internet is odd, and I think perhaps people should reflect on that. But it’s not the same legally as images of born children and I don’t think it’s the same morally either.

Absolutely, hence the disbelief at the fact-checking initially.

I would say I find it heartbreaking that we "can't" post pictures of naked babies whose parents have entirely innocent intentions.

I don't. Keep your photos for yourself, probably not even your nearest and dearest.

I haven’t said it is the same. I said I can see why some people may feel it is comparable…of course it isn’t the same morally, the foetus isn’t harmed or touched.

Comparing photos to drug use etc is irrelevant, I haven’t discussed those things in any kind of hierarchy of ‘bad’ and trust me I could give you another list of things to add to that.

This post was solely around ‘potty shots’ and the rightness or wrongness of them, morally rather than legally.

This.

You'd think people would understand more of how perverts operate by now.

There's no such thing as child porn.

You can't safeguard a womb or you end up with a different spin on an old and heavily debated idea. I'd be wary of applauding anything that touches safeguarding in the uterus. Be careful what you wish for

I would be happy to have them banned for the name alone....