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"Having a baby ruins your relationship"

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Starling543 · 01/08/2023 17:07

Hi all
I am expecting my first baby. I saw this article this morning which paints a very negative picture:

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230628-why-couples-fight-after-having-a-baby

The article is long but the upshot of it is that research shows that having a baby negatively affects relationships with 90% of couples saying their relationship was worse after having a baby. I can understand this short term with lack of sleep etc but it seems to say these changes last for years and many couples consider breaking up!
The article recommends couples therapy as a way of coping. This seems like quite a big step.
I'm hoping to hear some advice from other people with babies as to how things have really been, and any tips that helped your relationship ... We waited a long time to have a baby and I really don't want it to jeopardize my marriage!

Having a baby can rock a marriage – and life post-children can be a challenge

The arrival of a child can be joyous – but it can also cause conflict in even the most rock-solid relationships.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230628-why-couples-fight-after-having-a-baby

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Mummy08m · 02/08/2023 16:32

One way I was reassured in advance that dh isn't the useless type - I have had a serious operation in the past where I needed lots of post-op care and my lifestyle was severely changed for a couple of months after, I needed aids when out of the house, lots of things were forbidden. Dh was the best carer I could ask for. Never once made me feel I was neglecting his needs or anything gross like that. Later when I had my c-section recovery it was a bit similar and I knew dh would be good at caring.

Similarly he had a leg injury not long before we had dd - I'd say I'm not as good a carer as him, not as patient but I still did my best and never made him feel bad. Had to help wash him and stuff. I still fancied him even though he got so upset and self-conscious about his leg getting emaciated.

I think experiences like that are useful indicators before having a baby, of whether you can work together on that kind of physical stuff and still keep the romance alive and not get resentful.

ToughFuss · 02/08/2023 16:36

I’ve often heard this to be the case but it certainly wasn’t for DH and I. I still absolutely adore and fancy him, and him me. H as a dad is the best version yet 🥰

Hufflepods · 02/08/2023 16:38

Having a baby and a child changes your relationship dynamic forever, it will be one of the biggest contributing factors in a relationship breakdown.
In the baby stage it’s fraught tensions and sleepless nights, is then moves to parenting techniques, family values, work life balance, sexism, and so many other factors.
There’s only so much you can know about thaw things when it’s all abstract discussion.

Hayliebells · 02/08/2023 16:39

It does depend on the relationship, and if reading MN is anything to go by, how willing both parents are to put work in and make the sacrifices that parents need to make. When one parent isn't willing to imo, that's when it seems to all fall apart. If you have a partner who is supportive and pulls their weight, you're probably doing better than a lot already. If you're in a relationship with a man, some on MN just refuse to believe that men like that exist, so maybe that accounts for the high rate of dissatisfaction!

Starling543 · 02/08/2023 20:39

Thank you so much for all your detailed replies, both positive and negative!
I have definitely realised I was showing my naivety about sleep when I wrote the post... I am feeling much more educated now that the lack of sleep could persist for a long time!
Lots of useful advice that I will discuss with my husband and try to make a good plan 🤞

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Goldbar · 02/08/2023 21:14

I'm sure you didn't really mean them like this, but your posts read a bit like you think that you have a baby, life gets hard for a bit (say, a year or so) and then things go back to "normal" 😂. Maybe you can file them or put them in a drawer or something and forget about them for a bit.

There isn't really a return to what was normal after having a child, there is just a new normal where each stage has its different challenges. It takes a long time for young children not to require your constant attention and to just leave you alone for a bit. The tiny baby who needs rocking and cuddling to sleep and wakes frequently in the night becomes a crawling, weaning baby who needs constant watching and is chucking food everywhere, so you spend half your day cleaning the kitchen floor. And then you're chasing after a toddler with no road sense and a will of iron, who tantrums frequently at the most illogical things. And you're back at work then exhaustedly trying to balance everything and doing nursery bags and drop-offs and your child is constantly ill and work are losing patience. And the school years bring their own challenges. I'm not trying to put you off at all, but it can be a long hard slog in many ways and having an uninvolved or lazy partner can make it quite lonely and miserable.

Merrz · 02/08/2023 22:37

Thehonestbadger · 01/08/2023 19:51

I’m honestly sat here reading all the ‘it strengthened ours’ comments trying to figure out what the deal is.

Are you the unicorn parents with the baby who slept through from 6 weeks old?
Are you a long way down the line and just looking back through rose tinted glasses?
Or are we just lying to make the OP feel better?

We wanted kids forever really. Independently and then together. We are professionals we thought we were ready.

Damn were we wrong.

The reality of parenting OP is that it makes life just about 500% more problematic than it was pre kids. It strips away your freedoms, you no longer get autonomy over your life the same way. All the little things you used to take completely for granted… they’re so hard…almost impossible most of the time. There’s a whole other person (2 in our case) and for the first 5 years their needs are pretty high and need to be met almost entirely by you. They also have to be attended CONSTANTLY so either you either balance this between you, rope in a willing family member or you pay through the nose for care.

If you pay for care be warned the first 6 months they’ll barely be there because they will be unwell ALL of the time and you will be unwell when they’re unwell, arguing over who has to take time off work this time because you’re both already on attendance warnings, all whilst still paying £60-90 per day to the nursery they aren’t actually going to.

All of the things you thought would be fun to do with <5’s aren’t. At all! They whinge and cry and fight each other, everything is expensive and no one is listening and half the time you’ll drive to/from the activity with EVERYONE crying including you. They break stuff, throw stuff, have very little safety awareness and honestly toddlers are just the worst. You can’t reason with them, my 2yo daughter had a screaming fit that lasted 30 minutes the other day because she wanted THE CAT to open her yogurt… I wish I was kidding 🤦‍♀️

They do not do to bed it’s hours of ‘go to sleep’, ‘go to sleep’ ‘I SAID GO TO SLEEP’
All whilst they cry and whinge at their gates requested snacks and drinks and toilet trips and nappy changes and books and YOUR SOUL! It’s a lie that they suddenly sleep through from 6 months. My 2yo DD still wakes up demanding ‘more milk’ 2-3 times a night and we have literally tried everything other than sacrificing a goat and dancing around a field naked at midnight, NOTHING WORKS!
Your relationship breaks down because you are never just a couple, either you’re sat down stairs with the TV on pause and dinner going cold whilst your partner is upstairs dealing with the carnage, or you’re the one in the toddlers bed waking up at 3am with a dodgy back and a child on top of you. You can’t go out to do things you enjoy like shopping centres or nice cafes with toddlers because you just spend the whole time focused on them, what they’re doing, what damage and carnage they are creating.

You spend 90% of your time covered in grot, I’m talking multiple bodily fluids, sticky finger prints, half the time you don’t even know what it is. Your partner will usually figure out that he can avoid this by scheduling hobbies and activities that on the surface of it are ‘healthy’ and ‘important for his mental health but at the same time just stick you with Constant childcare and he’ll make comments like ‘but you can do it too’ but in fact you can’t do it 🤷‍♀️ because you’ve lost most of your friends in the baby stages and those you do have are all mums too and it takes 4 years and 3 PA’s to schedule a single coffee date. Plus when you leave the kids with your partner he doesn’t do things the way you do which throws the kids routines off and that just comes back to bite you doesn’t it?

He suggests fun things to do but all the planning, packing, facilitating and general sorting will be on you. Going away for one night requires more luggage than a weeks holiday used to and you’ll be ‘just popping to Asda for bits’ for at least 3 days before you leave because your minds a sieve now and you never get time to sit and make a list and when you do go you’ve got screaming toddlers running a mock so you always forget something. People tut at you, you’re an inconvenience and your kids are annoying because they’ve minorly inconvenienced somebody.
Have you every tried to unpack a trolley whilst the 2yo in it screams bloody murder and throws every single item then can reach on the floor? Other than the raw sausages ofc which they immediately stick their fingers into and try and eat…and now you’re holding up the queue so there is more tutting.

People used to be lovely to you. You were a youngish, pretty, productive member of society and now you’re here having a break down at a checkout with two screaming toddlers, greasy hair and ABSOLUTELY nothing left to give!!

The resentment creeps in and builds up. You raising issues and communicating openly and clearly becomes ‘having a go’ and ‘nagging’ because he knows your point is valid but he’s tired and fed up and honestly just doesn’t want to give anymore so it’s easier to paint you out as the bad guy.
Why are you always so cross?
Why have you let yourself go?
Why aren’t you the woman you were 5 years ago?

If you only have one child and you have a very good support network both paid and unpaid you might be ok. Literally every other parent/family we know are in this boat ^ oh and before you shrug your shoulders and think ‘poor woman but that won’t be us’ please know that we really didn’t think it would be us either.

DH is a doctor, I worked in finance. We had a nice house/car/life we read every parenting book we had so many ideals… our kids were not going to have screens until they they were 2+ (I’m laughing whilst typing this - on the toilet whilst hiding from DH who is doing bedtime)

Good luck OP

*@Thehonestbadger 🤣 I absolutely love this, don't think I've ever read anything so brutally honest!

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 03/08/2023 09:23

Starling543 · 02/08/2023 20:39

Thank you so much for all your detailed replies, both positive and negative!
I have definitely realised I was showing my naivety about sleep when I wrote the post... I am feeling much more educated now that the lack of sleep could persist for a long time!
Lots of useful advice that I will discuss with my husband and try to make a good plan 🤞

TBF the lack of sleep can persist a long time, but out of my friends and also the antenatal group mine was one of the poorer sleepers. And he did 12 hours a night reliably from 11 months after we did gentle sleep training. Having that evening back and a 7pm bedtime makes all the difference. We were so tired before, and he was also irritable and not napping properly in the day from lack of proper sleep.

But yeah the toddler stage is very cute, but harder than the baby stage (for me) as they're everywhere and into everything and randomly tantruming. I can see each stage will have some challenges

user123212 · 03/08/2023 10:03

Usernameunknownfornow · 01/08/2023 20:51

That's one long story, who really got the energy to read all of that 🤣

not sure why you're even on this thread then...?

Usernameunknownfornow · 03/08/2023 10:24

user123212 · 03/08/2023 10:03

not sure why you're even on this thread then...?

That makes no sense at all.....

user123212 · 03/08/2023 10:35

you have to have a really strong relationship to start with. sleep deprivation brings out the worst in both of you - cue lots of shouting at each other even it you haven't argued before. i'm thinking of going to couples therapy!

heartofglass23 · 03/08/2023 10:39

It's because men go from being the baby to having a baby.

Most can't cope with not being their DP's no. 1 priority anymore.

Maddy70 · 03/08/2023 10:42

It certainly changes it. You are both tired , tied down , unspontainious , broke etc.
So it does have an impact it's up to tej couple how they deal with those stresses

Katela18 · 03/08/2023 11:57

As many others have shown it really depends on your relationship, your partner, even yourself. In honesty nothing prepares you for parenthood and the fact that its constant and in the early days, can be very much like ground hog day.

My husband and I have a 3 and 1 year old and we are definitely in a much better place now than we were when baby 1 was born. But its come with lots of hard work, communication, understanding, acceptance that we both may have to change or make compromises etc.

Our first was 8 weeks prem so obviously this added complications, we came out of the NICU just as lockdown started so were first time parents to a prem, with no support. But there were issues that arose that would probably have happened anyway such as disagreements about sharing of the load etc.

I'd just say make sure you are able to be open with your husband, talk when things are making you unhappy or you need something from him, dont bottle it up or it can breed resentment.

All of this to say it is actually wonderful and lovely and amazing too and I found my love grew for my husband since our children have arrived. But like anything in life, long term relationships take work.

Wishing you a safe delivery and all the best :)

jonahjones · 04/08/2023 12:58

heartofglass23 · 03/08/2023 10:39

It's because men go from being the baby to having a baby.

Most can't cope with not being their DP's no. 1 priority anymore.

True. I think my dp felt really pushed out once dc arrived as I was no longer his first priority.

jonahjones · 04/08/2023 12:59

jonahjones · 04/08/2023 12:58

True. I think my dp felt really pushed out once dc arrived as I was no longer his first priority.

That should read he was no longer my first priority ffs what is up with me today.

jonahjones · 04/08/2023 13:12

Thehonestbadger · 01/08/2023 19:51

I’m honestly sat here reading all the ‘it strengthened ours’ comments trying to figure out what the deal is.

Are you the unicorn parents with the baby who slept through from 6 weeks old?
Are you a long way down the line and just looking back through rose tinted glasses?
Or are we just lying to make the OP feel better?

We wanted kids forever really. Independently and then together. We are professionals we thought we were ready.

Damn were we wrong.

The reality of parenting OP is that it makes life just about 500% more problematic than it was pre kids. It strips away your freedoms, you no longer get autonomy over your life the same way. All the little things you used to take completely for granted… they’re so hard…almost impossible most of the time. There’s a whole other person (2 in our case) and for the first 5 years their needs are pretty high and need to be met almost entirely by you. They also have to be attended CONSTANTLY so either you either balance this between you, rope in a willing family member or you pay through the nose for care.

If you pay for care be warned the first 6 months they’ll barely be there because they will be unwell ALL of the time and you will be unwell when they’re unwell, arguing over who has to take time off work this time because you’re both already on attendance warnings, all whilst still paying £60-90 per day to the nursery they aren’t actually going to.

All of the things you thought would be fun to do with <5’s aren’t. At all! They whinge and cry and fight each other, everything is expensive and no one is listening and half the time you’ll drive to/from the activity with EVERYONE crying including you. They break stuff, throw stuff, have very little safety awareness and honestly toddlers are just the worst. You can’t reason with them, my 2yo daughter had a screaming fit that lasted 30 minutes the other day because she wanted THE CAT to open her yogurt… I wish I was kidding 🤦‍♀️

They do not do to bed it’s hours of ‘go to sleep’, ‘go to sleep’ ‘I SAID GO TO SLEEP’
All whilst they cry and whinge at their gates requested snacks and drinks and toilet trips and nappy changes and books and YOUR SOUL! It’s a lie that they suddenly sleep through from 6 months. My 2yo DD still wakes up demanding ‘more milk’ 2-3 times a night and we have literally tried everything other than sacrificing a goat and dancing around a field naked at midnight, NOTHING WORKS!
Your relationship breaks down because you are never just a couple, either you’re sat down stairs with the TV on pause and dinner going cold whilst your partner is upstairs dealing with the carnage, or you’re the one in the toddlers bed waking up at 3am with a dodgy back and a child on top of you. You can’t go out to do things you enjoy like shopping centres or nice cafes with toddlers because you just spend the whole time focused on them, what they’re doing, what damage and carnage they are creating.

You spend 90% of your time covered in grot, I’m talking multiple bodily fluids, sticky finger prints, half the time you don’t even know what it is. Your partner will usually figure out that he can avoid this by scheduling hobbies and activities that on the surface of it are ‘healthy’ and ‘important for his mental health but at the same time just stick you with Constant childcare and he’ll make comments like ‘but you can do it too’ but in fact you can’t do it 🤷‍♀️ because you’ve lost most of your friends in the baby stages and those you do have are all mums too and it takes 4 years and 3 PA’s to schedule a single coffee date. Plus when you leave the kids with your partner he doesn’t do things the way you do which throws the kids routines off and that just comes back to bite you doesn’t it?

He suggests fun things to do but all the planning, packing, facilitating and general sorting will be on you. Going away for one night requires more luggage than a weeks holiday used to and you’ll be ‘just popping to Asda for bits’ for at least 3 days before you leave because your minds a sieve now and you never get time to sit and make a list and when you do go you’ve got screaming toddlers running a mock so you always forget something. People tut at you, you’re an inconvenience and your kids are annoying because they’ve minorly inconvenienced somebody.
Have you every tried to unpack a trolley whilst the 2yo in it screams bloody murder and throws every single item then can reach on the floor? Other than the raw sausages ofc which they immediately stick their fingers into and try and eat…and now you’re holding up the queue so there is more tutting.

People used to be lovely to you. You were a youngish, pretty, productive member of society and now you’re here having a break down at a checkout with two screaming toddlers, greasy hair and ABSOLUTELY nothing left to give!!

The resentment creeps in and builds up. You raising issues and communicating openly and clearly becomes ‘having a go’ and ‘nagging’ because he knows your point is valid but he’s tired and fed up and honestly just doesn’t want to give anymore so it’s easier to paint you out as the bad guy.
Why are you always so cross?
Why have you let yourself go?
Why aren’t you the woman you were 5 years ago?

If you only have one child and you have a very good support network both paid and unpaid you might be ok. Literally every other parent/family we know are in this boat ^ oh and before you shrug your shoulders and think ‘poor woman but that won’t be us’ please know that we really didn’t think it would be us either.

DH is a doctor, I worked in finance. We had a nice house/car/life we read every parenting book we had so many ideals… our kids were not going to have screens until they they were 2+ (I’m laughing whilst typing this - on the toilet whilst hiding from DH who is doing bedtime)

Good luck OP

Brilliant, all this is so true. and believe me it doesn't get any better, infact the teenage years are far far worse. you'll look back on those early years of when they were little and think of how much of a breeze it was and how lovely they were compared to what they become as teens.

museumum · 05/08/2023 09:51

If your relationship can’t survive having a healthy baby then I don’t see how it can survive one of you getting seriously ill or becoming disabled. One in two people get cancer at some point. If you can’t trust your partner to look after his own baby how can you trust him to look after you if you need him to?
honestly, just don’t start a family with someone you can’t rely on.

IreneGoodnight · 12/11/2023 05:39

Some really excellent pieces of descriptive writing on this thread.

Practicingmother · 18/04/2024 19:32

Wonder how your getting on? We now have a 16 month old and we are finally starting to get back to some sort of normal relationship. I have just stopped breastfeeding so may be to do with that. We had been together 7 years before our planned pregnancy. He’s my best friend and we were living life in fun. We’re older parents too. His 1st. It’s been immensely tough on the relationship. I have felt very emotional. She has only just started sleeping through the night so sleep deprivation has hard. Also, in-law issues that we still don’t understand. No support locally as we live far away from family. We’re getting through it though. Our little girl is amazing and we’ve done everything the hard way. Co-sleeping, bf, no dummy and she wouldn’t take a bottle. If you can remember why you were together before, you’ll get through it.

AliasGrape · 18/04/2024 19:55

It was like a bomb going off in ours. Though DD was a lockdown baby so we were also navigating a lot of stress and forced proximity anyway!

DH was not one of the shit ones, but the disproportionate impact on my life/ health/ work/ sleep to his was still there, and we seemed to get on opposite sides somehow. The resentment I felt at times was unreal, although it was hard to articulate what he could or should have done differently as he was already doing pretty much everything he was supposed to.

We’re through it in the main though, and things are largely so much better. DD is nearly 4, still a shit sleeper but suddenly we’re back on the same team and less competing about how tired we are. We kind of have an unspoken pact to not really talk to each other if we’re woken in the night or when she gets us up really early, whoever has taken the hit just silently fumes until rational thought returns and we realise it’s not a competition. DH has always been a good dad and hands on, but I was probably the ‘better’ parent when she was tiny and through the early toddler bit. He is honestly brilliant with her now though, better than me really, and that’s both humbled me a bit and also sort of made me fall in love with him all over again. I’ve realised this parenting lark is something we’re going to be doing for the rest of our lives, and things are going to ebb and flow like this throughout really, but we’re in it together.

Londonscallingme · 18/04/2024 20:00

I’m not gonna lie, it’s hard OP. In my case not because my OH was a shit partner or parent (he is great in both respects) but frankly everything is hard when you’re sleep deprived and a baby is screaming. Remember you are in it together and don’t take your frustrations out on one another and you’ll be fine. It does make you closer (if it doesn’t split you up first 😂)

yogpot · 18/04/2024 20:31

@Thehonestbadger reading this I said to myself ‘this is why I only have one’.

My other bit of motherly wisdom is I had mine with someone who already had a kid, so he knows what he’s doing, did it alone for 6+ years before we did it, and I don’t have to do the baby bit twice because ready made sibling 😂

I found one so so hard I still cannot comprehend why anyone sane would have another!

But, @Starling543 my relationship is still strong. Different, but strong. It’s a new phase, relationships that last go through many eras.

SwordToFlamethrower · 18/04/2024 20:50

Having a baby (IVF so much wanted) has brought untold joy and extra depth our relationship.

Having a baby has been difficult at times with tiredness and such, but that really does pale against how great things are.

We love each other so much, it has been wonderful seeing DH grow as a person into fatherhood.

He was a nerdy, shy 29 year old, living at home when I met him and now he is a nerdy, shy, doting father and excellent husband. I couldn't be happier!

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