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"Having a baby ruins your relationship"

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Starling543 · 01/08/2023 17:07

Hi all
I am expecting my first baby. I saw this article this morning which paints a very negative picture:

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230628-why-couples-fight-after-having-a-baby

The article is long but the upshot of it is that research shows that having a baby negatively affects relationships with 90% of couples saying their relationship was worse after having a baby. I can understand this short term with lack of sleep etc but it seems to say these changes last for years and many couples consider breaking up!
The article recommends couples therapy as a way of coping. This seems like quite a big step.
I'm hoping to hear some advice from other people with babies as to how things have really been, and any tips that helped your relationship ... We waited a long time to have a baby and I really don't want it to jeopardize my marriage!

Having a baby can rock a marriage – and life post-children can be a challenge

The arrival of a child can be joyous – but it can also cause conflict in even the most rock-solid relationships.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230628-why-couples-fight-after-having-a-baby

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Thehonestbadger · 01/08/2023 19:51

I’m honestly sat here reading all the ‘it strengthened ours’ comments trying to figure out what the deal is.

Are you the unicorn parents with the baby who slept through from 6 weeks old?
Are you a long way down the line and just looking back through rose tinted glasses?
Or are we just lying to make the OP feel better?

We wanted kids forever really. Independently and then together. We are professionals we thought we were ready.

Damn were we wrong.

The reality of parenting OP is that it makes life just about 500% more problematic than it was pre kids. It strips away your freedoms, you no longer get autonomy over your life the same way. All the little things you used to take completely for granted… they’re so hard…almost impossible most of the time. There’s a whole other person (2 in our case) and for the first 5 years their needs are pretty high and need to be met almost entirely by you. They also have to be attended CONSTANTLY so either you either balance this between you, rope in a willing family member or you pay through the nose for care.

If you pay for care be warned the first 6 months they’ll barely be there because they will be unwell ALL of the time and you will be unwell when they’re unwell, arguing over who has to take time off work this time because you’re both already on attendance warnings, all whilst still paying £60-90 per day to the nursery they aren’t actually going to.

All of the things you thought would be fun to do with <5’s aren’t. At all! They whinge and cry and fight each other, everything is expensive and no one is listening and half the time you’ll drive to/from the activity with EVERYONE crying including you. They break stuff, throw stuff, have very little safety awareness and honestly toddlers are just the worst. You can’t reason with them, my 2yo daughter had a screaming fit that lasted 30 minutes the other day because she wanted THE CAT to open her yogurt… I wish I was kidding 🤦‍♀️

They do not do to bed it’s hours of ‘go to sleep’, ‘go to sleep’ ‘I SAID GO TO SLEEP’
All whilst they cry and whinge at their gates requested snacks and drinks and toilet trips and nappy changes and books and YOUR SOUL! It’s a lie that they suddenly sleep through from 6 months. My 2yo DD still wakes up demanding ‘more milk’ 2-3 times a night and we have literally tried everything other than sacrificing a goat and dancing around a field naked at midnight, NOTHING WORKS!
Your relationship breaks down because you are never just a couple, either you’re sat down stairs with the TV on pause and dinner going cold whilst your partner is upstairs dealing with the carnage, or you’re the one in the toddlers bed waking up at 3am with a dodgy back and a child on top of you. You can’t go out to do things you enjoy like shopping centres or nice cafes with toddlers because you just spend the whole time focused on them, what they’re doing, what damage and carnage they are creating.

You spend 90% of your time covered in grot, I’m talking multiple bodily fluids, sticky finger prints, half the time you don’t even know what it is. Your partner will usually figure out that he can avoid this by scheduling hobbies and activities that on the surface of it are ‘healthy’ and ‘important for his mental health but at the same time just stick you with Constant childcare and he’ll make comments like ‘but you can do it too’ but in fact you can’t do it 🤷‍♀️ because you’ve lost most of your friends in the baby stages and those you do have are all mums too and it takes 4 years and 3 PA’s to schedule a single coffee date. Plus when you leave the kids with your partner he doesn’t do things the way you do which throws the kids routines off and that just comes back to bite you doesn’t it?

He suggests fun things to do but all the planning, packing, facilitating and general sorting will be on you. Going away for one night requires more luggage than a weeks holiday used to and you’ll be ‘just popping to Asda for bits’ for at least 3 days before you leave because your minds a sieve now and you never get time to sit and make a list and when you do go you’ve got screaming toddlers running a mock so you always forget something. People tut at you, you’re an inconvenience and your kids are annoying because they’ve minorly inconvenienced somebody.
Have you every tried to unpack a trolley whilst the 2yo in it screams bloody murder and throws every single item then can reach on the floor? Other than the raw sausages ofc which they immediately stick their fingers into and try and eat…and now you’re holding up the queue so there is more tutting.

People used to be lovely to you. You were a youngish, pretty, productive member of society and now you’re here having a break down at a checkout with two screaming toddlers, greasy hair and ABSOLUTELY nothing left to give!!

The resentment creeps in and builds up. You raising issues and communicating openly and clearly becomes ‘having a go’ and ‘nagging’ because he knows your point is valid but he’s tired and fed up and honestly just doesn’t want to give anymore so it’s easier to paint you out as the bad guy.
Why are you always so cross?
Why have you let yourself go?
Why aren’t you the woman you were 5 years ago?

If you only have one child and you have a very good support network both paid and unpaid you might be ok. Literally every other parent/family we know are in this boat ^ oh and before you shrug your shoulders and think ‘poor woman but that won’t be us’ please know that we really didn’t think it would be us either.

DH is a doctor, I worked in finance. We had a nice house/car/life we read every parenting book we had so many ideals… our kids were not going to have screens until they they were 2+ (I’m laughing whilst typing this - on the toilet whilst hiding from DH who is doing bedtime)

Good luck OP

That's one long story, who really got the energy to read all of that 🤣

Toddler101 · 01/08/2023 20:54

Mysleepisbroken · 01/08/2023 17:45

Its changed us in some ways, but it's not better or worse. Just different.

This bit of my post made me laugh though tbh. It was very much me before having kids:

I can understand this short term with lack of sleep etc but it seems to say these changes last for years and many couples consider breaking up!

Sleep deprivation often isn't short term though. It often does last for years. Many kids take years to sleep properly, and lots of men don't take their share of this burden. I thought that really disrupted nights were just for a few months, but they turned out to be for many years.

I'm married to a wonderful man who pulls more than his weight in every way, but I know many don't.

I came to say the same, how long is 'short term' in the OPs mind? I'm at 3 years of sleep deprivation, still ongoing....

FlyingSoap · 01/08/2023 20:55

@Thehonestbadger worried that will be us!

We are soon to TTC a first and wondered about sticking at one, do you really think parents of one have it easier from observation?

LovefromPickles · 01/08/2023 21:38

@Thehonestbadger that’s not been my experience. I’ve actually just come back from a weekend away doing my hobby with my friends while DH parented solo.

Sure parenting has had an impact on our relationship as we don’t have much time just the two of us now, but I love seeing the relationship DH has with DC. I have friends whose kids are older and can be left for an hour or two while parents go out alone together so hopefully that will be DH& I in a few years.

Phineyj · 01/08/2023 22:03

We have one and she has SEN.

It's not so much that it has damaged our relationship so much as there doesn't feel like much space left ever for our relationship to be in, if that makes sense.

We do both have jobs, hobbies, friends etc.

We're lucky to have her but my God it has been hard work! She was an "easy baby" though.

There is also the structural sexism that you don't notice till you become a mum. I found it really eye opening, the assumptions people make and the gendered roles you fall into if you don't really keep on it.

I don't know, ask me what I think in another 10 years.

Thehonestbadger · 02/08/2023 05:29

@LovefromPickles
Out if interest do you have have one or more? Because I do know a few couples who manage this sort of life with one relatively well behaved (no SEN/highly strung issues) but I don’t know anyone who manages it with 2+ or any additional issues at play. You could be my first though 👍🏻

@FlyingSoap
In my experience there is a BIG MASSIVE difference between one and 2+.

SIL had one well behaved little girl and their lives were AMAZING always off at weddings and social events. Their DD was like a mini adult could eat nicely in cafes and go anywhere. They always seemed to think we were crackers and ‘just not coping’ well they had their second recently and DH and I are just sat here watching the carnage like 😬👍🏻 she messaged me the other day ‘they just never sleep at the same time it’s like one of them is always awake and needing something I’m so tired and taking them out is just so hard’ and I was like ‘yeah talk to me in two years’ 👍🏻

LovefromPickles · 02/08/2023 07:16

@Thehonestbadger I have one, but my best friend has 2 and has always managed to maintain her social life & hobbies (obviously not to the same extent as pre-kids, but she still gets time for herself - I’ve been on two childfree weekends away with her so far this year, while her DH has the kids).

@FlyingSoap one is easier in many ways BUT there is no “playmate” so the parents have to be the playmate which can actually make things harder at times !

BusterGonad · 02/08/2023 07:34

For me it's definitely ruined it. Before we went out together alot, went to see bands, traveled the world. After we had a few years of literally not doing any of that. He'd go out with his friends, I'd VERY occasionally go out with mine, always clock watching as husband wasn't keen on being alone with our son. I felt like my weekends consisted of working around husbands plans, if we'd get a knock at the door it would be someone in the village asking him out drinking, cycling etc and he'd ask, and I'd say yes then he'd go. I was always left holding the baby. I was a SAHM and I did everything except earn the money. Obviously I was grateful to be in that position but I became resentful, which made me feel extremely guilty. I missed my old life. I missed going to work where I wasn't a 'mum'. I did eventually return to work, but I was still doing all I did before. I was happier though as my life was more enriched with work friends. I didn't sleep properly for years. Maybe 12, my son was finally at the age of 13 diagnosed with autism. He was never an easy child, always crying, never sleeping, hating school, didn't understand home work, hated boisterous kids, loud noises teachers etc. I was always called to wait to speak to the teacher after school. The times I've cried in front of teachers, doctors etc. It was an extremely lonely time. No one understood or could help. He's now 14, he's doing okay. Still struggles with lots of things. We're hanging on in there. I know of we were to split up I'd be left bringing him up alone, no job prospects as I'm no longer working due to living abroad. The future scares the shit out of me.

BusterGonad · 02/08/2023 07:37

By alone I mean doing the majority of it, working would be almost impossible as it would need to be school hours as he just doesn't like anyone else looking after him. It's so tough. Even at 14 he can't really care for himself for too long. A few hours at best. I can't imagine him walking to or from school by himself. He's just not made that way.

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 02/08/2023 07:44

It hasn't ruined mine but we are only 18 months in, so maybe there's plenty of time for that to happen!

We parent equally, he genuinely takes half the load, we did shared parental leave which I'd really recommend. We've done lots of travelling as a family with our baby and dog, and we make sure to get equal time to see friends after bedtime in the week. Weekends however are precious family time, we see friends and family and do nice stuff, but together with baby also.

I've read some of the posts like @Thehonestbadger with a bit of fear though, as I'm pregnant with number two right now! One feels manageable.

One thing that has really slid is dates as a couple. We don't have good childcare on tap, so time together in the evenings tend to be having dinner and watching Netflix 😬 not too exciting but we're okay with that for now

CurlewKate · 02/08/2023 07:46

It didn't ruin my relationship, but it certainly changed it. How could it not? And if you're not expecting that change and open to it, it could feel like damage. I remember (this is embarrassing!) bursting into tears a couple of weeks before my dd was born and wailing "We'll never have adventures any more!" Told you it was embarrassing! But we did. And do. All's well.

pinksheetss · 02/08/2023 07:52

It has strengthened our relationship, dd is 19 months
We were together 6 years before we had her also so I think that factors in

My DP is very supportive of my life (and equally me supportive of his) and we make an effort to ensure we are still ourselves outside of just being parents.
We both work full time so the load of parenting is split equally

PinkChampange · 02/08/2023 07:58

My relationship broke down. My ex walked out on me and my son because he couldn't handle the lack of attention and sex. I was a busy full time mum, a carer for my nan and I worked full time so often I was so exhausted I didn't wanna be intimate I just wanted to sleep.

I'm still single 3 years on.

Maztek · 02/08/2023 08:04

PND made our relationship difficult because I was utterly vile to my husband for about a year. But he stuck it out and now I’m better and we’re good again. But he’s a great husband and father and pulls more than his fair share of weight. The only thing that does effect our relationship a bit still is the closeness as we have a small fat man sleeping in between us every night so sex is less frequent and we miss the closeness. Finding time to have this closeness elsewhere takes effort as I work 8-6 and we works 1-11 so we only really see each other for an hour or 2 at night.

SwordToFlamethrower · 02/08/2023 08:07

What a load of bs!

Velvian · 02/08/2023 08:09

I think it's really important (after mat leave) that both parents work and both parents do childcare.

Don't fall into the trap of 'it's not worth both of us ruining of careers', or 'I'm not really earning anything after childcare costs'). When you get stuck in different roles, the resentment is a killer. People often become entrenched in their roles and offer little support to their partner.

You have to be in it together and accept that life will be different for both of you.

Mummy08m · 02/08/2023 08:20

The thing with @Thehonestbadger 's anecdote is - it's about a rubbish, selfish husband. (I'm not doubting that many or even most husbands are rubbish and therefore it is an accurate and relatable anecdote.)

But if you have a rubbish, selfish husband, your marriage will eventually fail anyway, with or without kids, maybe just take longer.

My dh barely ever has time for his hobbies any more - I actually have more because we keep dd in nursery through my teacher's holidays - and he wouldn't have dreamed of leaving me changing nappies to go off with his mates all thr time when I was on mat leave. As I said above, he had extended pat leave so we were very much in it together.

(Extended pat leave is the answer to all society's problems imo.)

All the other things in Badger's anecdote, like the lack of sleep and the poonamis and the intractable toddler - and yes, my dd was off the charts for being bad at sleeping, my mum friends just couldn't believe it in comparison - those aren't things that automatically ruin a relationship.

Sometimes dd is being really unreasonable like the other night she was crying because she wanted to "help" me to chop vegetables with a sharp knife instead of watching netflix - at times like that you can either tear your hair out in frustration or laugh about it with your dh. (I did both - tore my hair out and nearly cried, but then told dh about it afterwards and we got into a fit of giggles.)

If you have a selfish husband, it'll create resentment and ruin the relationship no matter what the challenge is, and you're bound to encounter challenges in life even if you don't have kids.

MinimalistMe · 02/08/2023 08:28

Together for 5 years before baby. We had a non- sleeper and it was all a challenge for the first 2 years. But 3 years on life is a dream now. I couldn't love my husband more, it has strengthened and changed our relationship for the better beyond anything I expected.

Goldbar · 02/08/2023 08:30

In most cases, the issue can be summed up as fathers not pulling their weight. There are some cases where other factors are at play (PND, other illness, special or additional needs, financial pressure, "maternal gatekeeping" etc.). But in most cases it's an exploitation of labour issue. A relationship where one partner is exploiting the other is unlikely to be mutually satisfying. And though there are some cases in reverse, it's usually men exploiting women's unpaid labour.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 02/08/2023 09:16

Starling543 · 01/08/2023 17:07

Hi all
I am expecting my first baby. I saw this article this morning which paints a very negative picture:

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230628-why-couples-fight-after-having-a-baby

The article is long but the upshot of it is that research shows that having a baby negatively affects relationships with 90% of couples saying their relationship was worse after having a baby. I can understand this short term with lack of sleep etc but it seems to say these changes last for years and many couples consider breaking up!
The article recommends couples therapy as a way of coping. This seems like quite a big step.
I'm hoping to hear some advice from other people with babies as to how things have really been, and any tips that helped your relationship ... We waited a long time to have a baby and I really don't want it to jeopardize my marriage!

I don't think you should see couples therapy as a big step. Much more helpful if it's a very early step even a pre emptive one.

Lots of chats now about how you'll support each other and cope will be helpful and how you'll managing competing needs. There's a void I haven't read (as didn't need it! Single mum from pregnant!) called something like how to not hate your partner after having a baby maybe you should listen to the audio book in the car together

Yolo12345 · 02/08/2023 15:25

Honestly I don't have time for my partner these days....! 😂

Merrz · 02/08/2023 15:34

jonahjones · 01/08/2023 18:46

yes must admit having dc changed our relationship. we were together 10 years before dc just the 2 of us totally wrapped up in just each other then along came dc1. Dc was a very good easy baby but things were never the same as dc became my priority and the new love of my life. if I'm honest I pushed dp aside and he took 2nd place to dc. we did stay together and had dc2 but our relationship has never been the same. suppose its only natural for a mother to priorities her children over her partner.

Exactly this! It definitely chamged our relationship because our priorities and outlook on life changed. Mine more so than DH's which does cause friction I think

Hugasauras · 02/08/2023 15:42

I think it tests the strength of it a lot, and I think what a lot of people find out when they have a baby is that the cracks they had painted over before the baby arrived become gigantic chasms. I think it also very quickly shows when your relationship is superficial, when you're fretting about couple time or not having as much sex when your baby is weeks old. I think in a solid, mature relationship, you should be able to manage without much couple time for a few months while you're dealing with a newborn baby, without it being particularly detrimental to a relationship. I never really understood the posts about having to go on a date night with a three-week-old baby or something. We'd been together 10 years, a few months of not much couple time made very little difference to our relationship because it was established and resilient.

Hugasauras · 02/08/2023 15:44

Oh and also, I think a lot of people just choose poorly when it comes to partners and ignore the warning signs they are useless pre-baby because the stakes aren't as high and someone being a bit lazy or crap with housework when there's just two of you is just an irritating quirk. If he's a bit useless before, he will 10 x more useless after. That's ineivtably how it goes. Babies are rarely the 'making' of men.

LovefromPickles · 02/08/2023 15:56

This thread needs renaming. It’s not having a baby that ruins your relationship. It’s having a useless / selfish partner.