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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 26/03/2022 18:45

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.
There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.
MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk
If you need help in obtaining medication, phone them on:
024 7638 2020
Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/topics/nausea-vomiting-in-pregnancy
I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.
It has been suggested that I add some practical tooth cleaning advice: a lot of sufferers find using a child's small toothbrush and strawberry toothpaste far less nauseating.
On my image of a pink castle: that is an image I use because when I was little, my family had a Snakes and Ladders board with an image on the last square of a pink castle in the clouds. As Hyperemesis is so like a grotesque version of Snakes and Ladders - eat a meal, go up a ladder, first thing in the morning bile run, down a snake - I have used the image of that pink castle on the last square of that Snakes and Ladders board as a metaphor for the happy end of Hyperemesis.
Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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LucindaE · 05/04/2022 21:33

awed Welcome. As you have been following these threads, you won't need my normal spiel about kesostix being taken seriously by hospitals, even if not the best test of dehydration, flat, full sugar coke, ice lollies, the juice of tinned fruit, and how an anti acid can make a big difference. As Melleebacca says, things can get worse after 12 weeks without it meaning you are doomed ot suffer throughout. Also, as she says, do ask for stronger meds. Interesting tip about vitamins. How do you make that spray? Is there a link?
ChloeHel Glad you're signed off.
ohCARP Sorry you feel down and OH is still ill. It is hard on your toddler, but he or she will soon forget this time of comparative neglect. Many don't bond at all with the baby until after birth. That all changes soon and there's no need to worry about that. I am also very sorry to hear of your seven losses. That is very hard.
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

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7Worfs · 06/04/2022 07:41

COVID has given me nausea again, it’s just so draining, I cried for ages yesterday, I can’t go 20 more weeks 😢

ChloeHel · 06/04/2022 08:37

@Melleebacca my work don’t do zoom calls 😂 to be honest they don’t seem to bothered. and I don’t know why I get anxious as thankfully cover is easy to get as a pharmacist! But I think it’s because I’ve never called in sick before! Hopefully this will be the last time and in a few weeks I should be able to work!

@ohCARP I can really sympathise with you on all levels right now. I snapped at my toddler yesterday morning because she was being quite naughty and she’s not often like that all..turns out she’s got a chest infection :( I was up with her all night because DH was working nights, poor thing couldn’t breathe and I was just sobbing as never dealt with toddler illness! Now this morning due to 2 hours sleep the nausea is having what feels like a rave in my stomach and I have frigging conjunctivitis!

Your toddler won’t remember so please don’t feel awful! It’s such a tough time for us all! Why don’t you just get a load of microwave meals in whilst DH is ill and then wear a mask when they cook? Might help you!

I don’t really feel a sense of bond at the moment, apart from the HG I sometimes forget I’m even pregnant. With DD I was constantly touching my tummy and speaking about her, we hardly speak about this baby. It’s like taboo or something! Hopefully when the movements kick in it’ll be a different story :) we’ve got this far! We can keep going!

PopGoesBang · 06/04/2022 10:11

I'm saying a quick hello. I keep meaning to and then forget.
Rescan tomorrow for the not so helpful 20 week scan that didn't go quite as planned a few weeks ago.
Think I'm feeling stressed over that so not sleeping and of course the sickness returns. Had the old familiar dog walk issue yesterday, thank goodness for poo bags and a tree to hide behind. My 9 year old said to be after I knew you were feeling sick mummy your breathing goes all funny first. How has she noticed that and I haven't?!

Waving hello to all, and hoping everyone is having a slightly smoother day.

LucindaE · 06/04/2022 20:11

ChloeHel Poor you! Conjunctivitis is so painful, and two hours sleep with a toddler who couldn't breathe is grim. I hope you both get better asap.
PopGoesBang I hope the scan goes more smoothly this time. Aagh, dog defecation and Hyperemesis. It's amazing how observant LO's are. I think it is partly because they live so much more in the present.
7Worfs Sorry to hear that things are bad. Remind me what meds you are on?
Cheering everyone on.

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PopGoesBang · 07/04/2022 08:23

Thanks @LucindaE, nice early scan today so school run and then off to the appointment. Treated myself to taking the whole day off of work - am hoping I can get a nap in. The dreams of how to spend days off change so much Grin
You're right about little ones, the really are far more in the present, reminds me I should try it from time to time!

Hope everyone has a gentle day

7Worfs · 07/04/2022 14:20

@LucindaE I was on Stemetil I stopped at 18 weeks (2 weeks ago) because nausea eased in, but now COVID brought it back :(

I'm hoping COVID will clear soon and so will the nausea, I just feel so down that I can't catch a break...

Melleebacca · 07/04/2022 19:03

@7Worfs nausea is very common with covid, and may persist for some time for you with HG and fatigue. I would recommend starting back on your meds, and also lots and lots of rest.

@PopGoesBang good luck for your repeat scan. I hope you get all the measurements etc needed!

Here’s a little story about my week that shows how our of touch some people are with HG. I’m currently 32wks and still 3kg under my pre-pregnancy weight - so essentially skin and bone with a large baby, small bump though. On Wednesday I helped a teacher with a very busy and fun class for about an hour and a half. I was standing the whole time, and my body was complaining, a lot. I came home, and had a good soak in the bathtub with Epsom salts and was essentially bedridden for the rest of the day. Went to work on Thursday, and a different teacher heard me puff up the stairs, carrying bags of supplies and asked me how could I be so unfit. She asked why I was so sore, and shouldn’t I be going for walks every day to be fit enough for labour. She has had 3 easy pregnancies and birthed small babies (mine have all been above average in size, despite me barely being able to gain weight). I was just in a bit a dismay.
Fortunately the teacher who I helped came to see me about an hour later and told me how sore she felt and that she feels awful about what she put me through knowing how ill I am already. Next week is the last week of term, so I’m mostly catching up on backlog and resting on my comfy chair until the holidays. But some people!

PopGoesBang · 07/04/2022 19:46

@Melleebacca thank you! Bit of a stubborn baby apparently and did have to get a second sonographer in to sort the heart measurements. Quite possibly the raise in my heart rate and blood pressure kicked baby into a better position and all was fine. Also, no visible boy bits, so looks like another little girl. Dd had been saying she wanted a brother but seems thrilled and very excited.

Sorry to hear your colleague was so wrongly opinionated. There really is a horrible lack of understanding for HG still.
'Have you not stopped the sicky bit yet' 🙄

Enjoy the last week and that comfy chair. You deserve it!

LucindaE · 07/04/2022 20:10

7Worfs I so agree with others. Defiinitely go back on the meds.
Melleebacca That is outrageously insensitive of that teacher, and so arrogant. Much sympathy. I can only assume that she has no idea about how debilitating Hyperemesis is, if she knows you were off with it before? Enjoy the half term break, anyway.
PopGoesBang You are right! We could all do with a bit of living in the moment and never troubling too much about tomorrow, just as we did when we were little.

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Worryant · 07/04/2022 20:22

Hello. I’ve just read the whole thread and it’s been amazing seeing the support people give each other. This is my second pregnancy. I had HG with my first but through a combination of bad responses from medical staff and me being a first time mum not sure if I was just being a wimp, I never had meds.
It’s been a week of constant nausea and sickness so far with this one, and I’m struggling to get out of bed, I’ll be 8 weeks tomorrow. I was eating bits of plain stuff until yesterday and now I’m struggling even with my usual cream crackers! The vomiting also affects my bladder control which isn’t great 😔. My 3 year old has tonsillitis so I’ve been up every night the last week, I think I saw some posts saying lack of sleep makes it worse so I’m hoping it’s that and things might improve. My OH had to leave work to come home today and take care of her as I can’t function.
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread, it’s been a comfort reading through it all. This might be a bit of a stream of consciousness! Bit out of it today.

chocolateaddict231 · 08/04/2022 16:13

Hi ladies, a lovely member of this tread told me about it. Hope you're all ok today xxx

I am currently seven weeks pregnant after trying for a while and it seeming like it may not work so I don't want to seem ungrateful with this post but in the past two weeks I have been very unwell. I can keep very little down and have tried ginger, acupuncture bands, dry toast, crackers, all the remedies online.
On Tuesday I did an online consultation as my own GP is away and they prescribed me Stemetil but they seem to do nothing apart from make me sleepy.
I am now at a point where I am afraid to eat because I know it will just come up....I'm thinking about going to an out of hours doctor tonight to see if they can do anything. I've also started a new job eight weeks ago so I really didn't want to take sick leave but the past two days I have (secretly) thrown up in work and had to leave early

Melleebacca · 08/04/2022 19:14

@chocolateaddict231 if you want to try and work through this, you’re going to need stronger meds. Although the stress/strain on your body from work is going to make your sickness worse, regardless. We all try the non-medical approaches first, and they only bring relief to a small proportion of HG sufferers. I loved acupuncture because when I was stressed about the effects of the super strong anti-emetics on my unborn baby, it calmed me down. But I would vomit in the car after every session.

@Worryant don’t punish yourself. If you need meds, please get them. They will make your life so much easier. I know there’s a huge stigma around meds in pregnancy, and I hesitate about even taking a paracetamol tab when I’ve got a headache. But I religiously take my anti-emetics. The essential nutrition needed from food and water far outweigh the very slight risks associated with medication. And nowadays there’s loads of good pregnancy friendly meds. Please talk to your GP.

I am pro-meds because I don’t think any woman should have to be tortured during pregnancy. The mental strain of being so unwell for such a long time can cause lifelong mental health issues.

nee22 · 08/04/2022 20:05

@PopGoesBang glad your scan went well! Yay!

@chocolateaddict231 @Worryant I agree with everything @Melleebacca has said, if you're not eating and are being sick your body is in starvation mode and you will only feel worse and worse. Consider at the least getting iv fluids and talk through the meds. Very hard days, it's truly torture.

Hope everyone is holding up! Nothing to report here mehhh

nee22 · 08/04/2022 20:09

@Melleebacca I just read your post about the teachers. What?!? So unbelievably rude. People are actually insane

Worryant · 08/04/2022 20:16

Thank you! I’m not against meds - my only experiences first time was a midwife who said ‘only being sick fifteen times a day? At twenty we might look at doing something!’ Then a doctor who read out every possible side effect to the foetus. And a GP who said in response to my dehydration migraines ‘ha, you think migraines are painful?! Wait till you’re in labour’. So for ages I just thought everyone got on with it. It was only when I went to NCT and said wow, how did you all cope with the sickness I discovered it wasn’t at all normal.
My lovely new doctor has prescribed cyclizine, but I’m worried that every post I read about it says it makes you drowsy. I have to work and look after my 3 year old and can’t really afford to be out of it. Have people found it to cause drowsiness?

ChloeHel · 08/04/2022 20:23

@Worryant in all honesty yes, cyclizine knocked me out at night and made me feel a little groggy in the day, but it didn’t work for me and I had to change. If it doesn’t work for you after about 3 days of taking it or the drowsiness is too much then don’t be anxious to call your GP and get an alternative. It took me 4 goes until I found one that worked for me :)

ChloeHel · 08/04/2022 20:26

Welcome @chocolateaddict231 I forgot to mention you in my last post. But as I said on your original thread if the stemetil aren’t helping at all ring the GP to try something else! Lots of women on here are taking a cocktail of antiemetics which helps them! Some are taking ondansetron which seems to be the best, and then some of us are taking xonvea including myself which I find works! Just keep trialling all medicines until you find the one that helps keep the N&V at bay :)

Melleebacca · 08/04/2022 20:38

@nee22 I’m really butting heads with this particular teacher at the moment. I think it’s because we’re a similar age and she might feel like I’m stepping on her toes etc. I don’t know. But the rest are all very lovely and often are looking out for me.

@Worryant yes. Cyclizine made me sleepy too. I even managed daily naps for about a week until my body got used to it. I appreciated the sleepiness because it meant I slept more and that lessened the sickness. But I only felt sleepy for about half an hour and if I pushed through it, it was normal.

LucindaE · 08/04/2022 21:02

Worryant and Chocolateaddict231 Welcome. I so agree with others, do get effective meds. Worryant There are alternatives to Cyclizine if it makes you too sleepy. Chocolateaddict231 Stemetil does make some sleepy, but as with Cyclizine, that often wears off after a few days. Worryant Did that midwife mean heaves or seperate vomiting sessions? It can be confusing as clinicians often coun 'vomits' as heaves, rather than heaving sessions. I'm assuming you meant fifteen seperte vomting sessions, not heaves. Even so, her lack of symapthy is disturbing. That was rather a strange remark from that doctor, when dehydration is to be taken seriously. Here is my normal spiel, which I hope helps. Sufferers find that they improve a lot at some point between weeks 14 and 20, or sometimes later. Even those who are unlucky enough to suffer throughout generally are not as ill later on as they are in the first part. A good anti acid can make a surprising difference to the sickness. Kesostix are worth buying online or from a chemists, as while they aren't they best test of dehydration, hospitals take them seriously.When reporting on the vomiting to doctors, remember to emphasize the number of heaves in each vomiting session, as doctors tend to count these as 'vomits' and this can lead to their underestimating the severity of your symptoms. Besides drinking through a straw, here are some drinks that have helped others: full sugar flat coke (if you don't find it too acid), ice lollies, the juice of tinned fruit, Vimto, Lucozade, apple juice, Ribina, Dr Pepper, soda water, Elderflower water, tonic water, ice cubes, Iron Bru, lemonade, lemon squash, orange squash, orange juice (if not too acid), fizzy orange, 7Up, isotonic drinks, sips of chocolate milkshake (maybe soya), fizzy water, apple juice, Robinson's fruit drinks, Rubicon sparkling mango drink , raspberry Lucozade sport and frozen ice cubes of flat Lucozade sport. Also, pink lemonade , cloudy lemonade and Sprite. Foods of a sort include tinned fruit, cuppa soup, nibbles of crisps and chips, cheap ice cream, Scotch pancakes, bagels and biscuits, potato smileys, minature salty Yorkshire Puddings , dry cereals and slices of melon and mango. Protein drinks have also been mentioned.
Excellent advice from Melleebacca, I am glad you don't have to see that teacher for a couple of weeks! ChloeHel and everyone.
PopGoesBang Sorry, I forgot to congratulate you on your scan results.
Waves to nee22 and everyone.

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awed · 08/04/2022 23:08

Sorry I missed your question about the pregnancy vitamin spray @LucindaE. It's been a lifesaver, wish I'd known about it sooner. Especially in first trimester as it has the daily dose of folic acid, plus vit D, iron etc.

You just spray inside your cheek (a mirror helps 😉). Much easier than dealing with the smell of vitamins and then trying to keep a capsule down.

Here's the link: betteryou.com/collections/pregnancy-supplements/products/pregnancy-oral-spray?gclid=CjwKCAjwur-SBhB6EiwA5sKtjtApSbE2P3rOvls_RC-iFfh7S2fKfgcu_UENXbImqIvrxkV9kVzchBoC7OgQAvD_BwE

I got mine from H&B but they also stock in Boots and online. Hope this helps others x

fumedup · 09/04/2022 16:10

Hi all,

Just popping in to say hello and wishing everyone a better week with less sickness! I hit 7 weeks tomorrow and the last two days my acid has been horrendous. Ive been vomiting up bile and feel like someone has a knife in my chest. Thankfully this is my third pregnancy so Ive quickly got a private prescription for omeprazole. I hope it works quickly as my throat is burning from spitting up acid. Everyday I have a little cry, not sure how I'm going to last the next ten weeks.

Melleebacca · 09/04/2022 19:06

@fumedup one day, one hour, one minute at a time. I know the future currently looks gloomy, but as a veteran, you’ve got this. We’re here if you need anything.
I have calcium for reflux and all acid based stuff. I should do an experiment at work and see if calcium powder does actually neutralize stomach acid, but I feel it does in my case. It leaves a little residue in the mouth, just bit of powder, which I love the crunchiness of. A real distracting texture compared to bile and phlegm.

@awed That spray sounds amazing! I love how technology and medicines are finally catching up to actually be able to help HG sufferers!

@LucindaE my last day before term break is Thursday, but I’ve already arranged to finish early on Monday, Wednesday and Thursday - hehe. And then I only have 3wks of work after the term break. Although hubby is dealing with a lot of drama at the moment with his American office, so maybe the pandemic is over and he will have to do a flying visit to the states this month. 😬

LucindaE · 09/04/2022 20:00

awed Thank you for the link. I am sure that will help others. Smile
fumedup Sorry it seems such an uphill struggle atm. 'This Too Must Pass'. Glad you've got Omprazole.
Melleebacca Good news there is so little time left It would be interesting to see the results of an experiment into acidity and the magic powder.
We haven't heard from FateHasRedesignedMost in a little while...

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LucindaE · 09/04/2022 20:05

Due Dates

alpinia 4 April (provisional)
kalidasa 4 May
FateHasRedesignedMost 16 May
Melleebacca 3 June
HopefulJ2018 14 June
Starbeach 17 June
BuffyFanForever 19 Jun TWINS!
PopGoesBang 7 August
FarmWife 12 August
rainbowzebra05 15 September
ChloeHel 5 October
ohCARP 16 October
fumedup early December

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