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Gender disappointment, depression

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AussiesMumUK · 19/08/2020 23:13

Hi,
Sorry it's so long.
I'm not sure how to start. I'm new to all of this sharing feeling and reaching out for help.
I live in the UK with my husband and my beautiful daughter (IVF) all I have is my daughter my family live far away and I have maybe 2 friends. Due to covid-19 I'm still not back at work and my line manager doesn't think I will be back until 2022.
I just found out I'm expecting a healthy baby boy due in the early new year but I'm not happy about any of it, I know I should be over the moon but I'm not I'm rather upset by it all and struggling to see light at the end of the tunnel.
One thing I never wanted was a Christmas/ new year's baby and I longed for another girl, someone for my daughter to have a friend for life and never feel alone in a world with no other family ( same sex sibling tend to have a stranger bond), the cute outfit. I just had this image in my head I can't shake.
I came to terms with when the baby would be born( secretly hoping he would be late, I mean how often are men on time). I just struggling to come to terms with the baby being a boy.
This pregnancy comes after a 9 week IVF lose, a lose I'm still struggling to come to terms with.
I'm scared I won't bond with my son the way I do with my daughter, I'm scared I won't ever love him because right now all I feel is complete and utter sadness, I'm scared the way I'm feeling is affecting him now.
I can't talk to my husband because he thinks I'm being stupid after everything we have been through I should just be happy. I can't talk to my mum although she might understand because she never wanted girls and had 2 ( she didn't think she could protect us from sexual abuse) because she doesn't want to know what we are having. All I want to do is feel happy and excited and I don't know how. I just feel this pregnancy is everything I never wanted i spent my pregnancy with my daughter if fear of losing her due to medical reasons and this pregnancy was meant to be the one I could enjoy and look forward to but due to the lose and then PPMR at 16 weeks I'm high risk and live in fear again.

I'm sorry it's so long and possibly basically unreadable rambling, I'm currently crying in the bathroom.
Thanks for letting me vent x

OP posts:
Sexnotgender · 20/08/2020 10:19

@justanotherneighinparadise

Every gender disappointment thread is always a boy. It’s so depressing.
I know, it’s so sad. My boy is 18 months and an absolute joy. He makes my heart so full.

I’m 6 weeks pregnant and would be over the moon if it was another boy.

It’s interesting, how prized boys are in certain cultures but not so much here.

LilaButterfly · 20/08/2020 10:35

Im sorry you feel this way Flowers

I have a sister and a brother and i am very close with both of them.
I have DS and DD and they have a really strong bond atm. They are still very little (6 and 4) but they get along so well (most of the time) and play together for hours. They always include each other when they have friends over to play and they defend each other like crazy when one of them gets into a row with another child.

You still have a long time to get used to you boy.
I love DS who is very kind and sweet and affectionate with me. Both my kids are actually, but DS is so much like me its insane. Looks, his behaviour etc, its like having a male mini me around all the time.
I think you are worrying too much over what might happen (not bonding with him or not loving him). Its very possible, that all your doubts just disappear when you hold him in your arms.
Try to enjoy your pregnancy, focus on the positives of having a boy, ask mums of boys to tell you about them and try not to worry too much about something that hasnt even happened yet.

DD was supposed to be a xmas baby too. She was born early Jan in the end. We have lots of Dec and Jan birthdays in my family. Its not the best and i would probably plan it a bit better if i was to have another, but its really a small thing and doesnt matter at all in the grand scheme.

Twizbe · 20/08/2020 10:41

I haven't read the whole thread and I hope the posts have been positive.

I did see one comment about gender disappointment always being boys - not so. I wanted 2 boys. I have one of each.

OP, I understand how you feel. Both mine were due on the 31st Jan as well lol. I didn't know what I was having either time because I wanted a boy so badly.

My daughter was second. I knew that if I had a girl, I'd love that baby the second I saw her. And I did. When they said she was a girl I was sooooo happy and cuddled her so close.

Even so, I still suffered gender disappointment. As much as I love my daughter, I had to mourn the loss of the second boy I never had. We had a name sorted for him and he was never there.

It got better with time and with talking about it. Identifying why I wanted boys over girls helped a lot too.

Tootletum · 20/08/2020 10:43

Cheer up, changing boys nappies is much easier and they can't get utis if you miss one! Honestly, it's a plus.

CoalCraft · 20/08/2020 10:55

I agree with other comments that opposite sex siblings can be just as close as same-sex ones. Some say they're even closer as there can be a certain feelings of competition that are perhaps stronger in same-sex siblings.

Ultimately though it comes down to their personalities; no matter the genders, two siblings could be bosom buddies or clash on everything and hate each other; I have seen it in sisters!

CoalCraft · 20/08/2020 10:58

That said, no judgement from me; I'm having no more than two children and I desperately want at least one boy (for a stupid reason, there's a boy's name that I'm very attached to and want to use), and it seems that my first is a girl, so I know I'll be disappointed at first if I find out that number 2 is also a girl. I know also though that I will be fine and love them both fully and completely. You will love your little fellow when he's here, don't fret xx

StillRunningUpThatHill · 20/08/2020 11:06

I have a brother, no sisters, but we couldn’t be closer. We speak on the phone at least once a week and text every day. Both in our 30s, both married with families. I feel I’m closer to him than a lot of my female friends are to their sisters.

Also: I have a DS and DD. DS is the eldest and I was secretly hoping for a girl when pregnant with him. You know what? I am so close to him and I am so glad he was a boy. I cannot imagine my life without him. And he’s not into stereotypically “boy” things either, though it wouldn’t matter if he were. He’s caring, funny, thoughtful, quirky. I’m no less close to him than to DD - possibly more so - and I am so glad I didn’t get to choose the sex or I would have missed out on having this wonderful child in my life. You will be fine OP.

SunbathingDragon · 20/08/2020 11:09

As someone whose baby was the opposite sex to the one I wanted (although the neonatal death of the baby I had before was largely responsible for those feelings) I would say that you are not alone in how you feel and advise speaking to a counsellor.

Boys are fab. Girls are fab. I have both and can also confirm they have a great bond.

theotherfossilsister · 20/08/2020 11:13

I read somewhere that women.who have been through loss and IVF are more likely to get antenatal depression. When I first saw it it sounded counter intuitive, but the more I think about it the more I get it. My partner and I are hoping to start IVF next year (short of a miracle before that) and always imagined I would be thrilled to be pregnant but now, not so sure, the longing is still as acute and chronic as ever, and not having second thoughts at all, just think it would be very scary to be pregnant after all this trauma.

It sounds like this is what you're going through? Could you have PTSD from loss and IVF? I am sure your baby boy will be wonderful. I think you need counselling though, and compassion and to not beat yourself up for feeling this way after all you've been through. The implication that you should feel lucky, happy, grateful after IVF must create so much pressure. I always think I'd be over the moon to be pregnant, but what if it happened and I wasn't, would I beat myself up for wrecking all those expectations,and my perception of my own 'ingratirude.' I'd try not to but it would be hard. Everyone says you should be so grateful for an IVF baby.and just leave all the trauma and horror behind you, but that is such a denial. Hard as it is you have to own your trauma but find a safe way.

I write this as someone going through counselling for PTSD from a friend's death, alongside my fertility issues and the problems which come from being autistic and unable to read faces as others.

I hope this helped and that my own desperation and need didn't bleed in too much. I mention them because I guess they maybe give me a bit if understanding into what you're going through. X

rm15 · 20/08/2020 11:36

Sorry your feeling rubbish.
My DS was born on Xmas eve. He’s almost 8 months old so no Birthday yet but I was disappointed for him so I know what you mean!
But it will be fine :)

Bluejayway91 · 20/08/2020 11:48

Hi OP,

I'm sorry you're feeling this way. My husband and I wanted a girl, but since finding out we're having a boy we are totally in love with our little boy.

In terms of the same sex sibling thing, I have a sister and we don't get on. The siblings I know get on because they have stuff in common and are decent people to each other, not because of their sex.

My LO is also due around Christmas (18th). To be honest, I'm dreading that he'll be late and born on Christmas or early and born on my birthday (10th). However, he'll come when he's ready and once he's born it won't matter.

I'm hoping the comments and experiences of posters here will help you with your depression. I know it's not easy, especially when pregnant.

EvaHoffman · 20/08/2020 12:00

I'm sorry to hijack this thread to restate my point. OP is not suffering gender disappointment. Babies are not born with a gender. Gender is to do with social and cultural behaviours and preferences. She is disappointed about the SEX of the baby.

This is a really important point. Anybody is free to choose their gender. But not their sex. You can't choose your sex. It's not to do with preferences. Sex and gender are not the same at all.

onedaysoonish · 20/08/2020 12:27

Hi OP - I'm really sorry you feel this way. But as PP has said you have plenty of time to get your head around it. I'm having a boy in February and am very excited! On the lightest of your points - the outfits - I challenge anyone to look at boys clothes on trotters.co.uk and not suddenly want a little boy!

Milicentbystander72 · 20/08/2020 13:13

I'm sorry you feel like this OP.

If it's any help at all I have a dd and a ds and they are really close. They played brilliantly together as children and are still very close as teens. My dd also enjoyed wearing clothes aimed at boys so my ds has clothes passed down to him from her.

ivfdreaming · 20/08/2020 13:37

@EvaHoffman

Oh do go away!

No one cares about your gender/sex agenda.

CharlieParley · 20/08/2020 13:57

Sorry to hear you're struggling AussiesMumUK

I was in a similar situation, infertility issues, mid pregnancy loss and then another pregnancy. I didn't allow myself to bond with that new little one, because I thought it would protect me from the pain of losing him, too. Being pregnant after infertility and a loss adds a new dimension of emotional stress to an already emotionally charged time. You're still grieving for the baby you lost and you're already feeling guilty for failing this one. Add to that the hormonal overload in pregnancy and it's no surprise you're feeling overwhelmed.

Don't be so hard on yourself. We're not obliged to feel all happy-clappy in pregnancy. It's normal to be sad after what you went through. Please make sure to reach out for help in real life if you feel you cannot cope, there are charities you can get in touch with if you need to talk.

I cannot provide professional help and advice, but if you want to chat, feel free to PM me.

My pregnancy was high risk, too, and I was hospitalised and urgh. It was shite basically. And instead of the girl I had just lost, I was pregnant with a boy. Another boy.

And regardless of how much it annoys some people, it is actually perfectly normal to have a preference for the sex of your baby. The most common preference for women in Western countries is to want a girl. That's why so many threads posted on here by women who are disappointed about the sex of their baby is from those having boys. In our society, where the traditional sex preference for boys has largely disappeared, the phenomenon has a lot to do with how we imagine our lives as mothers and fathers. Women see themselves doing the things they like with their daughters and vice versa for fathers and sons. I always thought I'd be teaching my daughter to do maths and play chess and build a computer and ride a bike and read science fiction stories to her. I never thought about doing any of those things with a boy. But I have, and you know what? Doing all of those things with my boys has been even more wonderful than I could have imagined.

What's much more important than beating yourself up over an unmet desire for another girl, is that you forgive yourself for those feelings and understand that none of that will matter once you hold your baby in your arms.

I knew how strongly I wanted a daughter when I was pregnant for the last time and I found out when I was 13 weeks. By the time my third son was born, I was happily reconciled with the fact that he was a boy. I have no reason to feel guilty or ashamed for having had a preference for one sex over the other for my children. And neither do you.

As for your due date - it's normal to have a preference there, too, but in the end, again, it doesn't really matter. I was born in December, my brother in January and the whole Christmas and New Year's season was incredibly special for us because of that. I loved having my birthday before Christmas and my mum made it as special as my brother's just after New Year's. So when my youngest was also born in December, it just made the whole month even more wonderful.

It's tough right now, but please know that it will get better. Hold onto that thought. Don't wait for happiness as this big all-consuming feeling that takes all the worries away. Feel the joy in small things. Your daughter's smile. A sunny day. Soft clothes. Find small pieces of happiness and carry them with you through the day.

Remember you are not alone Flowers

DogsandBoysmeanMud · 20/08/2020 14:14

Sorry you are sad, my DS has had 15 amazing Xmas bdays. He was due on 25/12. I had a c section on 17/12.

We've done all types of different birthdays for him, some early, some 'after the free goes up. I stressed and he couldn't give a toss

Last 3 birthdays he's celebrated in the Caribbean!!

Sexnotgender · 20/08/2020 14:48

[quote ivfdreaming]@EvaHoffman

Oh do go away!

No one cares about your gender/sex agenda. [/quote]
Actually we do. It’s incredibly important.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/08/2020 15:08

[quote ivfdreaming]@EvaHoffman

Oh do go away!

No one cares about your gender/sex agenda. [/quote]
Speak for yourself. I most definitely care!

Twizbe · 20/08/2020 15:12

@EvaHoffman

I'm sorry to hijack this thread to restate my point. OP is not suffering gender disappointment. Babies are not born with a gender. Gender is to do with social and cultural behaviours and preferences. She is disappointed about the SEX of the baby.

This is a really important point. Anybody is free to choose their gender. But not their sex. You can't choose your sex. It's not to do with preferences. Sex and gender are not the same at all.

While that maybe so, sex disappointment suggests something very different.

Also it tends to me the image of the sex that parents struggle with. The aspects that are therefore expressed via gender and not sex.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/08/2020 15:14

Honestly, I think this is all to do with everything you have been through over the last few years, and not really about your baby's sex at all. IVF and a mc are traumatic. You're not depressed because you're sad about having a boy: you're sad about having a boy because you're depressed. Please talk to your mw or GP Flowers

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/08/2020 15:17

@EvaHoffman

I'm sorry to hijack this thread to restate my point. OP is not suffering gender disappointment. Babies are not born with a gender. Gender is to do with social and cultural behaviours and preferences. She is disappointed about the SEX of the baby.

This is a really important point. Anybody is free to choose their gender. But not their sex. You can't choose your sex. It's not to do with preferences. Sex and gender are not the same at all.

Can we just not? I'm as gender critical as they come, but a thread by an OP who is clearly struggling is not the time or place for this.
NameChange657 · 20/08/2020 15:17

My friend was absolutely heartbroken to hear she was having a boy, similar to you she worried she wouldn't bond with him, she hates football etc and worried he'd love Dad more. She worried his older sister wouldn't like him etc, Well now she's absolutely besotted with him. He's 4 and he's a proper "mummy's boy", his sister adores him and they both play together all the time, to the point she's decided not to have a third child (which she originally said she would to have another girl), she thought the hormones made it all so much worse with the sadness and disappointment. She's so glad for her little family now and she's almost certain the siblings will be best friends for a long time. She's trying to get the 6 year old girl into her own room, but they still want to share for now. Please, go easy on yourself. Re-assess after little one is born but for now give yourself permission to feel this way, then try to keep going. I'm almost certain it will be hormones/lockdown/IVF stresses all just coming out right now as this. Although this topic is quite taboo, I think its actually SO common and it does NOT make you a bad mother at all.

Soubriquet · 20/08/2020 15:19

I had a girl as my first born and when I was pregnant with my second I hoped for another girl as I didn’t really know what to do with a boy.

When I found out it was a boy, I had to fake a smile.

But the second he was born, that bond snapped into place harder than it did with dd

He’s 5 now and is a cheeky little dude who I love to bits

He and his sister get on so well too

dizzycatdance2 · 20/08/2020 15:19

My ds was born on 24th Dec. We celebrate his birthday on his saints day in may.

I distinctly remember when we were trying and thought "if I conceive, it will Be a Xmas baby" , then throught

"W.T.F!!! , get a gtip, what does it matter"

But I did have those thoughts.

We could have chosen his 1/2 year "birthday".

He gets his party /presents etc and it's not overshadowed by Xmas.

It's worked for us, he gets a cake and a small present on his real birthday.

It's ok to "grieve" what you had planned in your head, but if you can work through your feelings /talk about it then the feelings will , in all likelihood, lessen.

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