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Bottle feeding

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raindrop84 · 11/05/2020 15:30

So this may be controversial as I know people have strong options on this...but I don't understand why women put so much pressure on themselves to breast feed, get stressed/overwhelmed by it and then feel like a failure if they have issues? I'm leaning towards bottle feeding my baby, I feel it will take a lot of unnecessary pressure off me and will enable me to share feeds with my partner. Does anyone feel the same? Has anyone done this? Were you judged?

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bubdee · 11/05/2020 16:36

I think contrary to your post it's breastfeeding mums that get frowned upon as like PP said majority in uk actually bottle feed. It's like if you tell someone or express you are proud of your breastfeeding journey people take you on to be a show off or think that you think of yourself as superior. It's not true

happymummy12345 · 11/05/2020 16:38

I always knew I didn't even want to try breastfeeding so I didn't. I've never regretted it. The midwife and student midwife in the birth centre didn't judge at all. The 3 community midwives didn't either, and my first health visitor was literally amazing, I felt so comfortable with her and she never judged at all.
However during an appointment when I was pregnant a student midwife insisted on putting that I would be happy to try breastfeeding in my notes. I threatened to report her if she did. The qualified midwife was as bad and didn't care either.
My baby was unwell when he was born and was in hospital for 12 days. I was judged extremely badly by the staff there for not even trying.
Also we moved house twice and I've had two more health visitors, both were awful and judged me for not breastfeeding or even trying.

raindrop84 · 11/05/2020 16:42

@happymummy12345 That's awful, I really don't understand why people feel the need to be so judgemental!

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Topseyt · 11/05/2020 17:14

How would you know as you haven’t done it?

I made a show of trying it for about three days when DD1 was born. Under pressure from midwives and on the back of a traumatic birth experience. I did that to get them off my back. It worked.

It confirmed that the decision to bottle feed was correct. Not that I need to justify it to you. It is overrated. DD never got a drop of breast milk.

happymummy12345 · 11/05/2020 17:34

@raindrop84 I didn't want to cause you unnecessary worry or anything but I did think it best to be completely honest when answering your question.
Tbh the health visitors and neonatal unit staff I just ignored as much as possible as I was happy with my decision. But it was when the student midwife wanted to put that I'd be happy to try breastfeeding or expressing in my notes when I'd said that I wouldn't be happy to try because I didn't want to try several times during the appointment. That really annoyed me as it was my choice. I fully understand they have to encourage breastfeeding and make you aware of the benefit which they did. But to try and lie outright in my notes after I'd clearly stated my decision to me was wrong and unprofessional.
Meant to add the doctor at the 6 week check was awful as well but she was an awful doctor anyway. The nurses were nice enough though.
But as I said mostly I was lucky with the medical professionals I saw.

Foreverblowingbubbles18 · 11/05/2020 18:04

I'm planning on only bottle feeding. I know breastfeeding is natural however I find the whole idea awful, I am totally worried about the lack of sleep, therefore want DH to be able to help out- and I'm not a cow so dont want to pump for hours to get 1 bottle.
I believe fed is best and thats what my baby will get.

duckling3 · 11/05/2020 18:04

Out of interest, has anyone tried a combination of expressed and formula bottle feeding? It's not something I've ever heard talked about.

raindrop84 · 11/05/2020 18:08

@Foreverblowingbubbles18 Completely agree about the pumping thing and feeling like a cow...does not appeal to me in the slightest!

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bubdee · 11/05/2020 18:09

@duckling3 yeah I did, it worked great.

SmileyCloud · 11/05/2020 19:20

Honestly I think the world is judgemental whichever way you feed your baby, I think the main issue with breastfeeding is that women aren’t properly educated on how absolutely brutal the first few weeks can be, they therefore think they must be doing something wrong and therefore feel they have failed when actually the baby was behaving normally for a breastfed baby but lack of support and education led them to believe otherwise which is sad and damaging for maternal Mental health. I personally have breastfed for both practical and personal reasons, it’s free and you don’t have to worry about sterilisation, preparing bottles but it’s hard and means I’m the only one that can feed her! I do feel really proud of myself when I look at her chunky legs and I think ‘I did that!’ but I’d probably feel the same if I had FF as they are both a slog in their own right! I do believe there is a lot of positives to breastfeeding and breast milk but I don’t personally feel that this takes away from the fact a bottle fed baby will be full, content and will thrive also!

IslayBrigid · 11/05/2020 19:42

I think you need to do what works best for you. The evidence is clear that breastmilk is superior nutrient wise. You simply can't argue that formula is as good for baby. There is so much evidence about this already and its easy to find so i won't go into it in detail. I think THIS is why so many mums put pressure on themselves to do it and feel bad if they can't, OP. But in saying that, it is personal choice and women need to decide what works best for them. A happy mum is extremely important.

I also think it's a little do with mindset and whether you have enough support. If you go into it having watched tutorial videos on youtube and having had advice on how to get a good latch, which products help sore nipples, etc, you're much more likely to succeed. But sadly not all new mums can get this support; and for some, the support isn't enough, and they still struggle. At this point it makes sense like you say, to 'move on' and bottle feed, if mum's mental and physical health is suffering.

I am pregnant now, FTM, but many of my friends have said it's 'hard at first' but if you persevere it gets easy, a breeze. So I think basically a lot of people give up when its really hard. But it could have got better in a matter of days/weeks. Or not. Who knows? It's like sweeps... do they work because labour is imminent anyway, or do they actually bring on labour? Some of these things are guessing games.

Of course some people decide not to even try BF for personal reasons. Again, this is a personal choice... like choosing to birth in hospital or at home, to do baby led weaning or not... etc. There are various ways of raising a baby and bringing it into the world. The best you can do is be informed, and go with your instincts.

Re: pumping. I don't think it takes hours to pump enough for a single bottle as some have said ... Confused. If you want your partner to take turns during the night you'd only have to pump one or two bottles per day which wouldnt take long. Another thing about lack of sleep... if you breastfeed you can literally roll over, pick up baby, put on boob. If you are using bottles/forumula, you need to go to kitchen, potentially mix, heat up, every time. Seems much more draining to me. Babies feed constantly when they are newborn.

Re: combi feeding. Best to intro one bottle per day at 6 weeks so baby doesn't get confused/put off the boob too early, if you do want to keep breastfeeding for longer.

I plan to BF and am excited about it. I feel like it's literally what my boobs are for so why not? If it is a horrendous struggle I'll get support. I'll keep trying. But it's very important to me. I understand that other mums have other things that feel more important so it's just about being informed and doing whats right for you

LittleTopic · 11/05/2020 19:52

@Pinkblueberry

My DD wouldn’t latch and I was made to feel horribly guilty by 90% of the midwives. They all told me I “wasn’t doing it right” and I invited each one to help her latch on. They all gave up after 40 minutes of screaming and gave her formula 🤷‍♀️

OP, I expressed everything I could and bottle fed that until my supply dropped, then moved to formula. DD is happy, bright and exceeding allbher milestones - you can only do what’s best for you!

Darkstar4855 · 11/05/2020 20:01

I struggled to breastfeed at the beginning but stuck it out and it got much easier after the first few weeks. I love breastfeeding and am glad I did it. However it has made life harder for me as I have had to do all the night feeds (he wouldn’t take a bottle). It can also be hard breastfeeding in public as people can be very judgemental whereas if you give your baby a bottle, nobody bats an eyelid.

I don’t think many women put pressure on themselves to breastfeed. Most mums I know decided very early on that they’d rather formula feed.

PinkyU · 11/05/2020 20:05

I don’t really think it’s news that breast milk and breastfeeding are best for mother and baby, the statistics are very clear on that.

If you don’t wish to breastfeed then of course, that’s your choice, but don’t use anecdata or bad science to give weight to that choice, you could potentially sway a woman to not try breastfeeding because of your opinion that you frame as fact.

CoffeeCakeCream · 11/05/2020 20:14

One of the first questions I got asked is if I'm planning on breast or formula feeding, at that point I had no idea, and still don't really. I will try BF but not going to beat myself up if I can't or its too much. My plan is to 'go with the flow'. If I do I won't be doing it for a long time anyway as I plan to go back to work fairly soon.
I had a friend who was really struggling with breast feeding that it was effecting her mental health, she was in agony and her nipples were raw to the point the midwife was shocked she was still going (nothing was helping her at all). When her partner suggested that she stop and they formula feed, she was more worried about what others would think of her than her own health.
Baby will be fine, fit and healthy as long as its being fed - I don't see the fuss and why it needs to be such a debate.

grumpyorange · 11/05/2020 20:18

Hi Raindrop!

Firstly it is your decision how you feed your child and no one should try and say otherwise.

My DS is now 10 months old and has been FF since day one. He has absolutely thrived, not been ill and met every single milestone.

In a developed country the BF advantages are negligible however lots of women will try and say otherwise.

You do you, I FF as my MH would not have held up to the pressures of BF. It's easy to do and much less stress!

Good luck

LetsJustGetOnWithIt · 11/05/2020 20:25

There's non stop advice when you're pregnant, but it's advice not instructions. Just try to tune into your instincts and you'll be fine. Do what works best for you and your baby.
I exclusively breasted both of mine, glad I did, I loved it but I can't imagine being any different with my babies if I hadn't breastfed. I was lucky and it came easily for me, not everyone can or wants to. Just see how you feel. Good luck!

avocadont · 11/05/2020 20:31

I'm currently 2 weeks and a day into breastfeeding my first. I hate it. It's awful, it hurts, she had tongue tie (which got sorted when she was two days old), I'm fairly certain she has lip tie too but according to the health visitor we had today, we don't sort those out in England.
When I wanted to leave the hospital after she was born they told me they didn't want to send me home because that would be "setting me up to fail" and I would "just give her a bottle."
My nipples hurt so much I cry when I feed her, I cry at night because I'm so tired.
My partner cries because I'm so horrible to him now.

I don't feel as attached to my child as much as I wish I did, I feel awful for it.
She gums my nipples.
I realised today my boobs are lopsided (they've always been symmetrical, I was very proud of it, don't mind me...)
My partner and my mum both pleaded with me to swap to formula.
I KNOW there's nothing wrong with switching to formula, in fact all my friends with babies have done it and recommend it.
Nobody told me about cluster feeding.
My daughter has jaundice and I don't want to stress her body out by switching too early.
I can't find any literature which essentially gives me permission to switch so I'm killing myself breastfeeding what feels like every single hour of the day and it's killing my relationship with my lovely fiancé. I'm miserable. (I can find plenty of literature on why I should breastfeed, by the way, there's no shortage of that)

singme · 11/05/2020 20:32

I think it’s personal choice and you do what is best for you and your baby.

But I would argue that it’s also a little bit judgemental to criticise women for putting pressure on themselves to breastfeed (if they want to continue) and also to liken them to cows pumping milk.

But maybe that’s because I’ve had a terrible day with my 5 week old and I just think being a mum is incredibly hard, however you feed, so maybe we should all just be kind.

Susanna85 · 11/05/2020 20:35

Feels very natural to me to be breastfeeding. I'm not finding it difficult at all after getting past the first two weeks. Easier than buying formula & sterilising, making up bottles etc.

It's bonding too. But If I couldn't bf I'd be happy enough to go along with bottles.

singme · 11/05/2020 20:36

@avocadont Flowers sorry you are having a rough time. It sounds like you are doing a great job whatever you choose to do. I hope the health visitor was helpful, especially with the jaundice.

Raaaa · 11/05/2020 20:40

I couldn't get an answer on whether bf will help prevent my dc from getting hayfever and eczema, as if I have it. Therefore I wasn't willing to battle through for potential no benefit.

There's too much 'info' but not enough of the nitty gritty eg how hard it will be in the early days, the midwife or internet paints a nice little picture of popping baby on the breast and all is dandy when it's not always the case

sauvignonblancplz · 11/05/2020 20:45

@raindrop84
Congratulations that’s so exciting . Don’t worry about FF it’s the norm in the UK and you will get a lot of support and help , if the formula isn’t right for baby there are lots of different ones for colic etc. Take your pick.

Breastfeeding is different in many ways both positive and negative . Having done both with my children I can tell you there is much more judgement around breastfeeding and very, very little support.

Whilst ff people will gladly take baby, you can leave baby etc and others can do a night feed.

Breastfeeding however , if I were to compare for me personally , was a far better mothering experience. Far closer to baby- baby was so much more settled. When he was ill my body was able to help and it really was a joyous experience , that I wish I had been able to do with my others .

It did mean more sacrifice for me , however being a new mum or having a newborn is always hard, exhausting just in different ways.

However worrying about judgement for ff shouldn’t be a concern , anymore than a woman should worry about negative comments while bfing . Sometimes they happen but more often than not they don’t.

Pinkblueberry · 11/05/2020 20:54

@avocadont you sound like you’re having a really rough time with this Flowers unfortunately any official literature is going to lean towards continuing breastfeeding because it’s in line with health guidelines - the advice on how to stop is there but you need to read between the lines a bit and block out the ‘but you could try this, and have another think about doing this option...’ rhetoric if stopping is really what you want. They won’t ‘give you permission’ because it has to be your choice, you don’t need anyone’s permission.

I think what’s difficult is that we’re often told that it can be tough to start with and we need to power through... but how tough is too tough? Nothing tells you that. We’re supposed to set our own limits somehow but that takes some people very far or sometimes too far - they’re waiting for a professional to say ‘ok, that’s enough now’, but of course the professionals are not supposed to say it because it’s against guidelines.

amazedmummy · 11/05/2020 20:57

Good advice here @avocadont can I recommend the book "Guilt Free Formula Feeding" if you do decide to switch, it's really good at giving some perspective on why breastfeeding isn't the magical mythical thing it is sometimes made out to be.

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