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Girlfriend has shown her hand!

344 replies

Ccooped1 · 18/11/2019 17:09

Hi, Im extremely sad and angry with myself over the position I have let myself get into. I am a single dad with custody of 3 young children (aged 4, 6, and 8 YO). I work full time and raise my children on my own and have done for the last 3.5 years. They are amazing and we work so well as a family unit - life couldn't be any better under the circumstances. I moved away from family for work several years ago so my nearest family member is 120 miles away... At present my children have not seen their mom for 19 months as she has moved away without any idea. I get zero support, of which I don't moan about as i'm fortunate to have a good job and be motivated to my children. They have everything children need, an extremely special bond with me, they are taught morals / values, have life experiences etc. Again I am lucky to be able to do this. I have got my head down over the initial 3 years on my own ensuring my children are in a good place emotionally after the disappearing act of mother.
I have just done the basics right, worked hard, renovated a house for us to grow old in, and been a dads taxi of course.

Anyway now the scene is set, I have a major issue. Over the last year I have been building a relationship with a girl who I thought was very caring and in a similar position to me would be a safe bet. We have been open about our situation, limited time we spent together and agreed on things like kids, marriage moving in together etc. It was clear that as she had 2 children and I have 3, that I did not want any more children as it just doesn't make sense obviously to me and I dont want to change nappies for ever! Anyway after being on the pill she is pregnant and basically told me to f off she is keeping it. I know we can all say you should have not listened to her and used a condom but it has been a year and i thought trust was there. My point of view is that I have been clear from day one and this is all against my consent. She already has 2 children off different dads and I am not judging by this but surely she wants solid foundations to void being in her current position again. She has told me that she is having it regardless of what I say. I know her kids dads are not the best so she wants a good dad but this is all wrong. She is not listening to me and everytime I try and talk calmly to her she goes off on one and i see a side I never once thought was there. I understand that there is nothing i can do so this message really is me venting off and hoping that someone can tell me they have had something similar or what on earth I am going to do. I would never ever walk away from a child so I will be there for it no matter what, with regards to the mother I cannot be false and this is betrayal and whilst I am not a nasty person I cannot move forward with a women like this. I feel such a fool!!

OP posts:
Moomin8 · 19/11/2019 00:08

See the fundamental problem with your reasoning is that a man can choose whether or not he wants to be a father by getting a vasectomy, pulling out, or, hell just using a condom. Failure to do any of the above can mean that a baby will be the result.

Are you saying contraception failures cannot happen?

Dudewheresmyvan · 19/11/2019 00:11

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CareOfPunts · 19/11/2019 00:12

I do feel for you if she’s lied to you about contraception, and yes you should have had the snip/wore a condom but it’s a bit late for that now. She’s an awful woman but she holds all the cards and there’s nothing you can do other than support your child.

Moomin8 · 19/11/2019 00:12

i don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if your partner says they are taking the pill then that's what they are doing

My friend got pregnant on the pill within her marriage. She decided to have an abortion. How can you possibly know this woman was not taking the pill?

Judging by the way the OP speaks about his girlfriend it's clear he has no respect for her. I think we can assume more about him than her.

Breathlessness · 19/11/2019 00:12

‘You cant force a woman to terminate, so you shouldn’t force a man to be a father.’

I’m sorry, did someone steal his sperm and get busy with a turkey baster?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 19/11/2019 00:14

But a vasectomy isn't an option if a man wants children in the future, just not now is it?

Pulling out simply isn't a.method of contraception at all and condoms.arent as effective as the pill, plus lots of people women included don't like them.

So, yes he should wear a condom but if the woman isn't using contraception then a condom.isnt fail safe is it?

I hate condoms (apart from in new relationships) so was always on the pill. I would have hated it if my DH insisted on also wearing a condom.because he didn't trust that I would take the pill properly but that's a massive trust that he's giving me. That's why it's awful if women abuse that.

madcatladyforever · 19/11/2019 00:21

It's a bummer but I went off and had tubal ligation after I was sure I did not want any more children. You can't be too careful.
I'm afraid there is nothing you can do now, the child is on it's way and she wants to keep it.

SexlessBoulderBelly · 19/11/2019 00:31

The only fail safe contraception that can be used in conjunction with actually having sexual, is by the woman being sterilised l.

Even a vasectomy can fail, the tube can rejoin itself and therefore the man can get a woman pregnant again. It’s not uncommon.

So why aren’t we pushing women to be sterilised since it’s the only way to have sex and not get pregnant

Moomin8 · 19/11/2019 00:37

What have you got against women @SexlessBoulderBelly ?

And where is the evidence that only female sterilisation procedures work?

SexlessBoulderBelly · 19/11/2019 00:46

@Moomin8 I have nothing against normal woman. Just the mumsnet man-hating brigade that seems to patrol every thread that is based on a man and his actions in a negative state.

By having both ovaries removed, you take away the vital part of conceiving a baby then that’s pretty much self explanatory.

Dramaofallama · 19/11/2019 00:51

I love the comments about men should have the option to opt out of fatherhood? Haven't men always had that option?
For centuries men have always done this, or is it because men now have to have some responsibility in supporting their child even if it is only financial support?(although many have gotten out of that).

Some of the comments are shocking, I'm surprised workhouses haven't been re-opened with some people's views.

Molteni · 19/11/2019 01:26

But if you don’t want to be involved, in that child’s life or financially, then you should be able to opt out. If you made it clear you do not want any more children, then she can keep the baby and do it without you.

That’s not in the interest of the child (most important; I don’t particularly care about the partner). You can always do 1, 2 should be impossible. Again I don’t condone it, and from a moral point of view I think it’s despicable.

Still if you want a bit of inspiration, e.g. : in some countries you have the figure of the most probable conceiver. So legally the most probable conceiver doesn’t have any rights, he only has one obligation and that’s paying maintenance. In return he doesn’t have to recognize that he’s the father of the child. Particularly popular if he has impregnated an 'unsuitable woman'. Has to be agreed by both parties (the mother has to be on board). Child has no claims on the inheritance of the father etc… When the child comes of age (doesn’t expire); it has the option to go for a full recognition (quite a lengthy procedure). Most don’t since well, it’s quite a painful explicit rejection by your father.

Tini17 · 19/11/2019 04:17

You do realise @SexlessBoulderBelly that ovaries are not routinely removed as part of female sterilisation?? Bit drastic really to suggest that?
I echo @Moomin8 question, what do you have against women?

OP, it is very much you that have shown your hand and it is not pretty. Spouting nonsense about ‘this being done without your consent’ etc. Grow up.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 19/11/2019 04:19

@ferrier the suggestions are condom + pill. Not one or the other.

blackcat86 · 19/11/2019 04:41

Eh because female sterilisation is major surgery and most people cant take several weeks out of their life to recover from a procedure that would take a weekend on the sofa and a dose of paracetamol for men. You so realise that ovaries are to do with more than just conception dont you? Anyone needing their ovaries removed would need to start HRT or would start having a host of symptoms but of course we cant possibly expect those poor men to ensure a quick vasectomy can we Hmm

CodenameVillanelle · 19/11/2019 04:57

This is why I don't trust men Grin
The entitlement and arrogance that is bred into so many of them is utterly repellant.
To all you handmaidens on the thread saying he's been trapped how dare you? They had a contraception failure and he's pissed that she refused to terminate. She's the one who will he left raising this kid. Trapped him how? What a prize eh?? You think maintenance is a kings ransom? Ugh. What a shower of idiots.

CodenameVillanelle · 19/11/2019 04:59

@CareOfPunts She’s an awful woman but she holds all the cards

Is she? Says who? The OP doesnt even say she lied about being on the pill and if he thought she had of course he'd have said so. How is she awful for not wanting to terminate a pregnancy? That's literally all she's been proved to have done. Check your misogyny.

CodenameVillanelle · 19/11/2019 05:01

they realised they wouldn’t be getting the free money and upper hand out of it.

Grin omg
Free money - what fucking free money? And upper hand meaning 98% of the responsibility of caring for the kid and 100% of the mental load? What a prize

Soontobe60 · 19/11/2019 05:23

All this talk of failure of contraception is bollocks! The only time the pill fails is through human failure. In all the scenarios described, upset tummy, on antibiotics, forgetting to take it, not feeling well, there is an easy solution. When I was on the pill, if any of the above had happened, we would have used condoms or not had sex. If I had not told my DH and gone on to get pregnant it would very much have been my fault. Any woman who says they got pregnant despite taking the pill correctly and following all the instructions on using additional contraception if certain things happen are kidding themselves. And fooling their partner too.

OP, some of the things you say are quite distasteful, but I get that you think you may have been coerced into having another child you didn't want. Unfortunately, you're being harangued now by the very women who can't bring themselves to believe that a fellow woman would never purposely get themselves pregnant despite their partner not wanting a child. Getting pregnant isn't an accident. It's either a conscious decision to conceive, a decision to take a risk or a complete lack of thought about contraception. I wonder which path your girlfriend took?

Soontobe60 · 19/11/2019 05:27

@blackcat86
Eh because female sterilisation is major surgery and most people cant take several weeks out of their life to recover from a procedure that would take a weekend on the sofa and a dose of paracetamol for men.
I had a day off work when I was sterilised on a Friday. Back in on the Monday. It isn't major surgery, it's keyhole and the only thing I had to recover from was the anaesthetic. A couple of paracetamol sorted out the minor pain. I had an implant taken out at the same time and that hurt more!

BarleyG · 19/11/2019 06:05

@soontobe60 what you’re saying about the pill never failing is utter bollocks. The NHS has infact just changed their guidance on how the pill should be taken as it was indeed “failing too often with correct useage”. They have now discovered that taking a 7 day break every month (as was always recommend) fails to prevent ovulation in a lot of women. The guidance now is to have no more than a 4 day break, and only every 3 months. Women were ovulating and conceiving because they were misinformed by the NHS.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 19/11/2019 06:59

They had a contraception failure

How do you know that for sure?

I've not seen it confirmed either way. It might have been a contraception failure or she might have deliberately set out to deceive him.

Arella · 19/11/2019 07:10

Not read the full thread, but surely she is not a ‘girl’ but a woman if you are having sex with her and she is pregnant?

But to your dilemma, I am guessing you saw the benefits of your relationship with her to share the companionship and child-rearing when you were planning on moving things forward, a benefit including sex. You were not judging her for having children with two dads at that point. Reeks of hypocrisy, really - she was okay for your partner until she gets pregnant with your child?!? You need to step up and accept some responsibility here - you brought this woman into your DC’s life and now she is pregnant with their half-sibling.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 19/11/2019 07:12

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras OP confirmed in an update that she was taking the pill

Lovemenorca · 19/11/2019 07:13

I am just baffled you found the time!

Three young children
Work full time
Absolutely no support or mother involvement

Seriously - how?!