Shock at doctors attitude for reduced movements

[0310Star]

So last night I went to triage for the 2nd time since Tuesday for reduced movements. I am 39+5 FTM and been having stop/start contraction's for 10 days, had 2 sweeps and a scan last week.
Now I have always been under the impression that if you felt something wasn't right that you go in, and yesterday I felt just that so that's what I did. After all, it's not a mistake you can take back if something were to be wrong!!
Midwives were great, monitoring went fine, they then sent on a doctor at the end to discuss what to do next. In walked a male doctor that basically asked me why on earth I was there, my baby had moved during the monitoring so insinuated I was lying, and also said that since I was there Tuesday I had no reason to be there as that gives you a weeks worth of reassurance after each monitoring session?! Not something I have EVER been told before, in fact I've always been told quite the opposite and to go in as much as I felt I needed to!

I'm not the kind of person to let someone else worry me enough not to call even with that shit attitude, but it got me thinking that some women may genuinely be put off going to triage for such instances if they may be potentially met with that kind of attitude! After I stated to him that I've always been advised to go in if I felt something wasn't right I think he realised I wasn't the type to be fobbed off, and I got a reply of 'oh yes always come in if you feel something isn't right as we can put you on the monitor as many times as needed'... quite a change in his opinion all of a sudden...
When we were leaving we saw him walk out with his coat on, so was clearly the end of his shift. Yes he may have had a rubbish shift, but this is the life of my baby we are talking about.

Is this something that has happened to many other people?! I found it quite astonishing to be honest, and with all these threads on here with woman asking whether they should go in or not when they are concerned got me wondering if this is a contributing factor for some women when deciding whether or not to go in?

Miami xpost. I am so sorry for your loss.

Please please please OP report that doctor and ignore any suggestion that you have not done the right thing by checking out your concerns.
You are doing the right thing by the NICE guidelines and he is not. Dangerous for him to keep dishing out this advice to patients.
Wishing you a smooth delivery and a lovely time with your new little one.

@Waterfall010 thank you, I think I'm going to as it could be very dangerous advice if given to someone who doesn't question it!

OP - you're 100% right. Please report that doctor.

@NotTakenUsername is on another planet and is spouting absolute BS that is not just rude but dangerous. Don't ever be embarrassed into not seeking medical advice.

I'm 32 weeks. I've gone in a few times for reduced fetal movement and not 'feeling right' baby has picked up when out on the monitor - apparently this is common because the monitors are noisy and babies do not like them. I apologised once and the doctor and midwife told me off. They said it's their job and to always come in.

While it turns out baby is totally fine and okay - I've ended up having two hospital stays (5 days a piece) since the start of this month. That 'not right feeling'? Dangerously high levels of liver enzymes and other nasties in nyood supply. I'm on bed rest - have weekly bloods, weekly weigh-ins (I've lost 25lbs in the last 6 weeks) and CTG obs of baby. I'm also having fortnightly growth scans.

Do you know what all the doctors and midwives said when I was allowed to go home yesterday (my first wedding anniversary) that i did the right thing. Always go in, every time movements are reduced or you feel something is wrong. They'd rather put you on a CTG monitor for 30 mins and take some samples and know you and baby are okay everytime over you second guessing symptoms. I've been told to call and go in anytime of the day - 24/7 if my Spidey senses begin to tingle again.

This is your life and your baby's life. That's more important than some grumpy doctor trying to tie up the end of his shift.

@0310Star of course I'm not saying you should ignore it. And I did also say he was wrong, and shouldn't have said it.
Are you always this aggressive? This is why I also just wondered about the multiple attendances and your attitude and if that played a part here (still not an excuse, but also not helpful for your care).

Thank you @Bibijayne and I really wish you well in the rest of your pregnancy, sorry you've been having to go through this 

@Namechange128 I'm unsure where you have got aggressive from, I simply asked if what you were implying was what you mean but you seem to be getting very defensive about it.
It is clear what you were saying, by the fact you noted in capitals the fact I had been in 5 times and that this would imply I am a difficult patient and someone that would annoy a doctor... it simply does not matter how many times I've been in, and I'm afraid that a stranger on the internet will not make me feel bad about checking on my babies safety.

I apologise if I have come across as aggressive, that is not my intention, but you may also want to re-read how your posts are coming across as what you have written may tell someone else that they shouldn't keep going in if they have done so more than a few times already.

So Namechange you are saying that it is ok for the doctor to be annoyed with OP if she is not being a sufficiently obviously grateful good little girl?

Not that it sounds like OP was a difficult patient, anyway....

@Namechange128
And what you don't seem to be able to get your head around is that OP's attitude is completely irrelevant. Only her baby matters and the doctor was wrong.
Doctors sign up to a life where they deal with people experiencing the worst days of their lives 'sometimes' and the OP shouldn't have to prostrate herself on the floor in thanks because in this instance it was good news. It is his attitude that was harmful here. It doesn't matter if she has been there every day for 3 weeks. He should still treat her with the care and attention required by his choice of career.

@namechange128 do you have nothing better to do than berate a woman in the late stages of pregnancy with legitimate concerns?
Op I can’t see anywhere that you have been aggressive, this person is a time waster.

He was absolutely in the wrong. I was in on Thursday at 39+1 and was offered induction but had a S+S instead and decided to wait it out as monitoring was fine.

Midwife told me that even if I got home that same night and even it had only been 2 hours and I felt worried, I was to come straight back. You know your baby and their movements!

I'd mention it but not sure what the proper protocols are to ensure it's followed up. How many women has he given this wrong advice to?!

Thank you ladies, I don't think I am coming across as aggressive, simply concerned for my child when a medical professional has given out wrong advice..

Definitely complain about the doctor. Your attitude and his is irrelevant, what he said is wrong and in contradiction to the advice that should be given.

Ignore the ignorant goadtoad

Not one person has suggested that you shouldn’t have gone in. Just that you seem quite entitled and a bit ungrateful for the ‘free at the point of use’ health care you have received.

So one doctor out of the FIVE visits you have made was a bit flippant and put out (perhaps after seeing your notes). He was absolutely in the wrong, but as you have worked out his shift was ending and he is human. Absolutely complain if it makes you feel better. I bet you don’t.

But where are the four other threads you have started about your four other experiences? Threads to encourage women to go straight in if the have reduced movements, singing the praises of all the other hcp you encountered and commending their service provision?

The NHS is full of hardworking hcp who never get any recognition and one doctor fluffs it a bit and that’s when you speak up? It’s just so disheartening and ungrateful.

@NotTakenUsername get over yourself.

The OP like many people would say thank you in person to the staff treating her - most HCPs I personally know don't expect more.

This thread was started to confirm that the OP wasn't over reacting to the complete rubbish that doctor was sprouting as advice.

As someone who has suffered from delayed treatment for other medical issues that could have ended up life threatening, and is now having her third issue with her maternity care - when HCPs talk rubbish/delay treatment then patients need to complain. If you ignore the repercussions to the patient, that HCP's colleagues are the ones who have to pick up the pieces when things go drastically wrong, which means more work for them.

What complete rubbish! I’m 29+6, I went on Thursday with reduced movements, was called back yesterday and I have to go back to tomorrow. Apart from my doctor being patronising and stating I NEED to come in for reduced moments (seeing as I was sat there for that reason) it was great. I’d report him to PALs and on your hospital next trip tell the doctor you see, I doubt they will be pleased with him giving false information!

Not, you are being completely ridiculous. I for one will be grateful to my midwives forever. I didn't start a thread about it - 'my midwives were so great, AIBU'!? I left a review on my hospitals page and sent a thank you card to them - you know, something which they can mention in supervisions etc. Not an anonymous thread on an anonymous forum they will never see.

People use mumsnet for advice, especially on the pregnancy topic, so when they want to query or check something. Which is what OP has done.

And she has every right to feel entitled to her free at point of delivery healthcare. She is entitled, that's the point of the NHS.

Jesus, not taken, know when to shut up. You're being both ridiculous and horrible, and probably should start listening to the many people saying this.

I went in lots of times with reduced fetal movements in my pregnancy, and gave birth to a very healthy baby four days ago. That makes me lucky, not a timewaster. And yes, I'd have paid for every appointment if I had to, but that's because I could - no woman should ever be in a position of choosing between food and her baby's life, which is basically what you're suggesting. It's not like it's fun or convenient to go in - I ended up having twice weekly CTGs (I know, so I stole even more money) and while I was still at work it was really quite difficult to keep spending half the day sat in a hospital. Why would I have done that if not genuinely worried?

As OP says, this is incredibly dangerous advice and if he keeps giving it a baby may die because its mother doesn't want to be 'difficult' or a resource-stealer.

It’s a discussion. I haven’t once said op shouldn’t have gone in (although it suits pp rhetoric to imply otherwise).

OP, you did the right thing and agree that you should raise it, it could save a baby in future!

I went in with reduced movements with my DD, she started moving normally when I was in the waiting room so I said we'd head off and the staff strongly advised me not to, as I'd already had the occurrence of the RM. She'd stopped growing at a normal rate and was induced a couple of days later much smaller than we'd expected (now a rambunctious toddler )

@NotTakenUsername it is a discussion, you've already said you agree the doctor was wrong, yet you are now personally attacking me - someone you have never met or no nothing about and nothing about my medical history. I'd have to say I'm a little unsure as to why my concern at a person who is paid to be there giving out such dangerous information is such a wrong thing to ask advice on?
And I said in my original post that everyone else I've ever seen has been great... what else should I have said?!
Everything you have said you have presumed about me, as if I pop along to A+E for any small cold and feel that I am entitled to treatment? That is not me, I didn't give the doctor any reason to think I was like that, I wasn't arsey or nasty to him, neither was my DP, but he is there to do a job and before I'd even said anything he suggested I had no business being there. You can tell me I am an entitled brat as much as you like, quite frankly I couldn't give a shit if it is between that and ensuring my baby is safe, and I'd suggest anyone thinking that was wrong to maybe take a look in the mirror as surely the safety of your baby is the most important thing?

As as you say 'one doctors fluffs it a bit'... that bit he fluffed could be a life on his hands. Why don't you understand about that?

I dispute that I am personally attacking you. I’ve been personally attacked. Swore at and told to shut up, all I am trying to put forward is that there is very little grace afforded to hcp who are only human, like the rest of us. A different opinion to the majority here.

Nobody is disputing that, but I'm unsure where that fits into this discussion? It has absolutely no relevance to one medical professional giving me dangerous information which I posted about, but you've taken that as me being 'entitled' and aggressive. I just don't understand why? Should I have sang his praises instead?

I never said you were aggressive. I said your tone came across as entitled. I didn’t use any of the horrible words you or ther pp have suggested.

Disagreeing with you is not the same as attacking you.