Controversial did anyone drink in pregnancy??

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Not saying I would was just wondering did anyone?

A pregnant women having a glass of wine is physiologically not at all analogous to giving a glass of wine to a baby.

Exactly. You wouldn't give a new born solid food or let it drive a car would you!

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A pregnant women having a glass of wine is physiologically not at all analogous to giving a glass of wine to a baby.

And there you go - why a certain demographic of women are happy to asses and take the risk, while other demographics wouldn't.

And both decisions are totally valid. It's the pious sniffing about "making better choices" that winds me up.

Seems to be a recurring theme when it comes to pregnancy/childbirth/parenthood unfortunately! Have had similar debates re my choice to have an ELCS but let's not go down that rabbit hole ... 😂

I simply don't understand why anyone would add unnecessary risk, however marginal, to a pregnancy.

Presumably you haven't taken any unnecessary car journeys then? Far riskier than one glass of wine.

Apparently car journeys don't count.

To add to my earlier reply...

... I also occasionally ate pate

And sushi

What about drinking whilst breastfeeding....what are people's views on that?...I would have occasional glass of wine/ gin....similar guidelines not really around 20+ yrs ago
Dcs all grown up now and at uni...don't seem to have been affected

I had one glass of wine or bottle of lager a week as a treat. I physically couldn't drink more than that as it started to make me feel ill but one drink I enjoyed.

While breastfeeding I often had a glass of wine while doing the evening feed. In each case I stuck to the guidelines then which were 1-2 units a week in pregnancy and up to five a week when bf. Occasionally I went out and drank more when bf, but expressed milk in readiness.

I ate sushi once a week when pregnant.

Sushi is fine - all UK sold sushi has been frozen before. The only risk is as with any dish of that type - heavy metals so to not eat too much/too often.

A pregnant women having a glass of wine is physiologically not at all analogous to giving a glass of wine to a baby.

It’s not, but it’s not benign either. There’s a concentration effect that occurs when the substance crosses the placenta and reaches the foetus. Because The foetus cannot metabolise it as well as the mother at most stages and then any that's excreted via urine for example is going back into the amniotic fluid. The clearance is complicated but it’s not as direct as maternal clearance so a foetus can actually be exposed for a fair time.

Breastfeeding is slightly different. The alcohol will be in milk at the same concentration as maternal serum, then into the stomach so it’s diluted twice, and can undergo direct excretion.

So...You can be more relaxed while BF - a glass of wine while feeding isn’t going to do much harm. The main risk for a very low amount is probably increased risk of falling asleep and of course you should NEVER bed share or consleepnif you’ve been drinking, even small amounts.

I was also advised that the occasional glass of wine would be ok but this was 1999 - 2003. It wasn't a problem because I didn't like the taste, except for a glass of champagne once or twice. Now I wouldn't even have that if I were pg. It's just not worth the risk, IMO.

Presumably you haven't taken any unnecessary car journeys then? Far riskier than one glass of wine

I did avoid unnecessary car journeys yes. However I did have to drive to work each day. There was no alternative to this due to where I live. To not drive to work would have meant losing my job which would have had a huge impact on my children. Hardly unnecessary and not at all comparable to the completely unnecessary drinking of alcohol.

I had a girls holiday in Ibiza was absolutely plastered for about days, was really poorly the following week and presumed it was from the drinking and some humongous hangover. Anyway turns out I was about 10 weeks pregnant when I was on my holiday and had absolutely no clue at all. As soon as I found out though I didn't touch a drop. DS is now a healthy happy 5 year old.
My other two pregnancies I didn't drink a thing at all not even at my wedding

Good lord

What qualifies as an unnecessary car journey?

I take it work commute is ok but brunch with friends maybe not?

I have SPD but if I put my mind to it I could probably hobble down the road to pick DS up from crèche? So if I pick him up in the car is that necessary or not?

@Anatidae

The sushi from yo sushi or itsu is frozen.

Not the sushi from Sushisamba it Sticks and Sushi.

Both of which I went to as birthday treats even before I found out I was pregnant. (I didn't find out until I was much further along)

i did avoid unnecessary car journeys yes.

So you didn't get in a car once during your pregnancy except to get to work? Just to confirm?

Most of us can cope with a small amount of carefully managed risk (which may or may not include the occasional glass of wine).

Given your desire to model the perfect pregnancy, it's clear you can't. That's fine. It's the sanctimony that people object to.

I did not find out I was pregnant until 26 weeks.... In that time I'd got married abroad all inclusive so Frank and ate loads and what I wanted... I went scuba diving and paragliding and even had all the jabs I needed to get there!!!!

Now my DS does have high functioning Autism.... But my DS 2 who I knew I was pregnant from the second I was.... is severly disabled and has severe autism!!!

I think ASD runs in our family ...definitely think could have both GF diagnosed and DH too!!!

Really spring? it was my understanding that all fish sold in sushi /sashimi in the UK had to be frozen for x amount of time before assembly? That’s interesting.

Anyway it’s a pretty small risk - sushi is a balancing act between getting your x portions of fish a week and avoiding heavy metal buildup. The mercury is more of a threat in tuna and salmon than parasitic infection in the raw fish. Also plenty of iodine in seaweed so on balance I was fine with sushi once a week. I know the stuff I’ve had is frozen too.

I’m pregnant at the moment and still eat sushi (now that the hideous HG is on the wane I can just about manage it.)

Of course I still drive the car - no choice on that one. I’ve just done the sensible stuff - belt over hips, wheel back and angled towards the chest. I drive over ice for four months a year so I have a pretty safety-conscious driving style and a car with all he bells and whistles. That’s all I can do on that one. Can’t control anyone else’s driving (or the bloody elk I had to emergency brake for last week...)

I certainly don’t judge anyone who has a drink a week, or a glass of something at a wedding. I didn’t want to, and that’s my choice too - most of our friends aren’t big drinkers so any social events tend not to be boozy anyway (too many of us with small kids who get up at stupid o clock.) :)

Most health issues are about informed choice. I personally didn’t want to drink last pregnancy and I don’t this one either. Some women enjoy a beer once a week and that’s fine too.

What’s needed is clear guidelines, which I think we have, and much better support for women with alcohol problems, which I think is still patchy and lacking. It’s those women who need the support and the intervention, not someone sipping one glass at a wedding.

Haven't rtft but just wanted to say I went to a wedding at 10 weeks and didn't want to tell anyone, or worse, steal the brides thunder if someone twigged!
So DP and I each had a glass of champagne, I had an occasional small sip and always put the glass next to DPs, he drank both, always from the glass with more in, and no one noticed.

@Anatidae

The eu bought a law in tonplace in 2007 which said all sushi had to be frozen before consumption and applied it to all restaurants.

The top chefs worked hard to get that overturned as it ruins the fish and they can tell if fish has parasites and in 2012 the rules were relaxed.

The law in the USA is very strict though and all fish has to be frozen.

I didn’t know that spring thanks!

My sushi consumption recently has generally been food hall at the mall level of sophistication ;) it’s been a while since I had the good stuff ( and yes, it’s worlds away..)

I suppose if you have seriously trained chefs doing it then that in itself is a risk mitigation measure. 👍

I did avoid unnecessary car journeys yes.

Absolute madness. You clearly have zero concept of accurately assessing risk. Which is fine but maybe no need to be quite so sanctimonious to those who are able to assess and manage risk.