Wading into spring with the all new shiny Posifrickentivity thread. PG after MC? Dive right in!

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All comers welcome, we're a rolling thread. Newbies, middles and oldies alike, join here for hand holding, knicker checking and general batshit craziness!

Ruth my current one was just from m&S but is very old. The ones they have online now the reviews were bad saying they have underwires in. That's not my cup of tea for bed.

I know you can buy ones at Bravissimo that have proper built in support they do look really good but at are pricey and I might need a bigger size any second!

Elsewhere on MN www.bras4mums.co.uk/ was recommended and they have a sleep bras section which I would have gone for but it said best for up to F cup which I am now!

So I just ordered this from Debenhams and am praying it will be half decent www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prod_10701_10001_151010130243_-1

As long as it stops by boobs falling around in bed (which hurts) and prevents the covers rubbing on them (which also hurts) I will be happy! Until I am a G cup and it doesn't fit lol

jbrd I was without DH on fri and sat too so was absolutely shattered after two full days with toddler who also no longer naps. Plus he wanted me to do EVERYTHING with him, even watch peppa pig, build train tracks, read books, carry cars up and down the stairs, empty out the toy box, go on the trampoline (got very upset when i wouldn't jump), ride on the toy digger.... I could go on and on. Don't get me wrong I love him to bits he's just exhausting at the best of times never mind when upduffed!!! Today, DH has been in charge and I had a 1.5 hr nap - amazing. Pretty sure he just put Cars DVD on repeat though as he was hungover. I tried to describe that looking after our son when pregnant is the same as having a hangover from hell and being in charge!!

ruth My midwife arranged my reassurance scan for me, both this time and last time - even though I've not even had my booking appointment yet. If you can, talk to yours, otherwise I'd go to the GP - where I live, everything is done by the midwives, the GP doesn't do anything (unless there are any problems or complications). And in the past, I have also called the EPU directly, when I had any problems like bleeding et., and they said to come in. Worth a try!

DS is in bed, and I've been trying to sort out this flippin' eBay fraud... All very bizarre - in spite of both eBay and PayPal saying that I've bought this weird stuff (dogecoins, never even heard of them), no money has been transferred from any of my accounts or cards! Which makes reporting a scam rather difficult... No idea what to do.
And now I should try and fill out that monster of a booking in book form, but I think what little energy I have left I need to wash my hair. Feeling really yucky

All sounds very dodgy about that ebay fraud JBrd. I had trouble with paypal a few months ago, someone hacked into my account and bought a load of vouchers for spa treatments. I don't store any of my credit card details on there permanently any more. Hope you get it sorted soon.

squiz, not wanting to scare you but the "just looking fat" stage lasted about 12 weeks for me!

So after weeks of nagging gentle persuasion I finally got DH to come pram shopping today. Although we didn't buy one today I achieved my objective of making him realise the flaw in his previous plan (go to mothercare website and order the cheapest one)

Ruth my gp arranged mine, I jus told him I had a MMC last time n the docter I saw in hospital told me to request one in my next pg (which was true) n the gp was kinda mean n said a scan seemed pointless at it cudnt stop me miscarrying, but i stud firm n he jus booked it there and then, my midwife said she wudnt have bothered trying as scans are so hard to get so if one says no I'd recommend trying the other! I do have a slightly rubbish mw tho IMO, she dissuaded me from havin the nuchal measurement scan for the same reason, told me I was too late to book one (at 8weeks) as they book up so fast, now wish I'd persisted n made her try anyway but she did a very good job of putting me off lol

Sorry Alb did I read you right, that your MW has persuaded you to NOT have the 12 week scan and blood test, as they may already be booked up??? You can have this test up to 13 and a bit weeks, if they can't fit you in then they should refer you to somewhere that can.

If you would continue with this pregnancy no matter what the test shows , then it may not matter so much. This is not meant to scare you, but do you know that this test shows not only Down's Syndrome, but other serious problems with the babies chromosomes that may mean that the baby will not survive. You should have the choice whether you want this information or not, this is not your midwife's decision and it is completely inappropriate for her to put you off. This is for you and your partner to decide.

If I was in your shoes I would demand another full discussion about the test with another MV and would report the midwife you have already spoken to - and I would do this tomorrow. This is a really important decision, DO NOT let them dick you around

Pregnant batshit craziness has reached new a new level of insanity - I just had a cry because I NEED a gin and tonic and obviously can't have one

I know I'm so lucky to have reached this stage but oh man am I uncomfortable and in pain and really tired of being so hugely pregnant... Sorry moan over...

Ruth I bought some sleeping tops from bravissimo and I live in them. Went a cup size up so they were a little big to begin with but they are so damn comfortable. I've worn them since 2nd trimester and they're still going strong 12 weeks later!

Alb your midwife sounds a horror! What a load of rubbish! I can't believe she said the nuchal scan wasn't necessary? I thought the NHS did it as a matter of course and you could opt out of it if you wanted. I'd ask someone else about that if I were you!

Can't believe you lot are all looking at show galleries! I'm so squeamish that would definitely drive me to drink!

Alb I am
Your MW has serious attitude problems! as the pp said, it's all very well missing the 12 week scan and bloods if you wouldn't terminate for an abnormality, but if you are in any doubt it's really important.
This is the scan where we were told that DD probably had Downs. I was 13.5. The scan is doable up to 13.6.
Obviously we continued despite the DS, but I honestly couldn't have put my family through Edwards or Pataus. In terms of termination you don't want to be any further along than you have to.
You need to decide what YOU want and then go raise merry hell at this midwife.
What she is telling you is not on. AT ALL!
I would be contacting the screening coordinator at your hospital and reporting this.

I already had the rage tonight. This mw may well have pushed me over the edge!

Cheers saggy I was wondering if I was over reacting to alb's mw. Gave me the proper rage and all.

alb you might need to think about getting this sorted pronto. If you might want the test you can't leave this too long.

alb we missed out on the test due to LO position during the scan however they did perform a blood test which gives the same results (if your chance is high they will do further tests) thought it's worth a mention incase you have missed the scan window

Also to echo everyone else ... It's disgusting and I recommend that you put in a complaint with PALs they are excellent and will take it very seriously

Thanks, it's nice that someone agrees with me tbh, at the time cos I'm so paranoid about this pregnancy I thought she was right, but after I realised it wasn't right for her to put me off like that, but OH thought I shud jus let it go (he's convinced the baby will be perfect n nothing will go wrong, which I actually quite like). I'm my first appointment at jus over 6 weeks she gave me the leaflets to read through n think about before my next appointment at 9 weeks n asked what I decided in my mc pregnancy n I told her I decided against it before (but each pregnancy gives fresh choices IMO), so when it got to 9 weeks she jus asked me to sign sayin id refused the test n when I said I actually wanted it done she kinda quizzed me about why n told me I wud be incredibly unlikely to get an appointment now (were I am it's a seperate scan to the 12 week scan). My point of view on it was that I wudnt terminate if the baby had downs, n even if I had high risk for downs I wasn't sure id even do the amino tests cos of the mc risk, but if we get a low risk it gives us something less to worry about. Obviously if the baby has Edwards or something else that's incompatible with life it wud be different, but she told me these tests purely test for downs, n if I wudnt terminate anyway it's kinda pointless worrying about it cos there are so many other things that cud go wrong in pregnancy that this one shud be the least of my worries(think she meant that reassuringly tbh, as I made it clear I don't see downs as a horrible thing). At the time her sayin that made me think yeah ur right, so many other things can go wrong... But after iv realised that really wasn't the right thing to say to put someone off the test, an obviously made me google all the other things that can go wrong. An now I find myself looking at my 12 week scan n comparing it to googles scans with high nuchal measurements (which is crazy I realise, n in my very amateur guess my scan looks normal) I'm 13 + 2 now so itl end up being too late, although I hear there's a blood test u can have past 14 weeks instead but I still dunno if it's the right thing to do testing at all really, don't think I ever really got to make an educated decision about it cos it was all so rushed! I don't think she was trying to be an aweful mw, she's friendly enough, but I don't have much faith in her now that I no her views on the chances of happy pregnancy (poor woman proly has no clue how much her passing comment has bothered me lol), however luckily for me she's jus covering maternity leave n will be gone in a month. Sorry about this rather long post, feels good to get it out tho! It's been bothering me ever since she left my house that day n I realised what had just happened lol. So do the tests not just test for downs exclusively then?

The Nuchal scan does test for Down's, but an abnormal measurement can also be indicative of Edwards, Pataus or other serious genetic conditions. Obviously you may well be at an age/risk level where you are low risk of Downs. But other conditions, and even Down's can strike quite randomly. TBH, the sonographer at your 12 week scan will very likely have known precisely what they were looking at anyway in terms of abnormality and 'soft markers and is legally obliged to tell you if they see anything. BUT, from the point of view of someone who is going through this, if there is any doubt it's far better to know now than in 28 weeks time. This person is basically controlling people's futures and she needs reporting. Imagine not feeling the way you do and getting to the next scan or even birth, and finding out bad news!

Yeah that would be pretty devastating, and if it had have come back as high risk, we may well have changed our minds about wanting the amino done etc, it's quite hard to judge what we'd have done really, we might have wanted to get all the information possible, she really shud have been more objective about the whole thing rather than tryna put us off, it's odd that she even did it to be honest, can't see how it affects her either way. Think I'm gona look into the quads blood test more today n decide if I want that done instead to give me the option back, I'm not sure if it's as accurate but it'd still give us a risk factor either way n mean that we can either go through the options of further test if it is high risk, or jus put the whole thing behind us if it's not

If it is any consolation, when my 12 weeks scan did not go well, the large nuchal was clearly visible to my eye, and got noticeably larger between the three scans I had, but we had a very large reading (over 8mm) with other areas of fluid build up.

Alb I just second what everyone else says - especially that it isn't only testing for Down's Syndrome but for other conditions which lead to stillbirth/late MC (these are very rare but obviously better psychologically/physically found as early as poss). What that MW suggested was downright dangerous!

I've got my next scan in a week and a bit so this is a sane week for me . If you want some wet fish action come find me in 7 days.

Reading back, I sound very scare mongery, im sorry for that and I'm sure everything IS just fine. Like I said, Sonographers know what they are looking at.
I'm very cross at your MW though. She really needs sorting out.

Alb, sorry to hear your midwife had been damn unhelpful and I haven't had a chance to read back on all the comments alas as a bit of a busy morning but I remembered seeing something about this in my pregnancy notes. I'm not sure what gestation you are now but on my 12 week scan notes it says you can have a 'Quadruple' test after 12 weeks have passed to test for what would usually be the combined screening test. I'd request another midwife and say you'd like this test to be completed if it's too late for 12 week scan which it sounds like x

alb Agree about your midwife being very out of order! So the reason not to have the test is just issues with appointment availability?! Tough luck, that is her problem to sort out! Sounds to me as if she was either trying to lessen her own workload, or possibly they have had instructions 'from above' to keep within certain quotas... Neither of which is an excuse, everyone should have the option to decide if they want the test.
If you manage to get it sorted quickly, you might still be able to get the Downs test done this week. I'm not completely sure what the exact cut-off date is, but I think I remember it's something like 13+6 (happy to be corrected)? If you can, bypass your midwife, either by talking to your GP or possibly the hospital directly, to see if they can squeeze you in. If they can make it top priority, there might be a chance.

Penguin I'm glad you managed to make your DH see the error of his ways. Prams are so important! When pg with DS, we once spent about 2 hours in a pram shop, going through every model they had... The staff were so lovely and helpful, and I felt almost guilty for not buying a pram there in the end (but we managed to get BIL's/SIL's Bugaboo for free ). We did buy the car seat, though - one of the two things that we bought brand new for DS, everything else was second-hand.

Oh, I feel so bleurgh this morning , I actually thought about staying at home. And even though I'm thinking that having this (decaff) coffee was a bad idea, I feel very reassured.
However, as before, eating seems to be the only thing that keeps the sickness at bay, so I'm a bit worried about weight gain... I've only just managed to shed all the weight I had piled on with DS, don't really want to put it back on again! Anyone got any suggestions for low-cal savoury snacks that are filling?! I'm really craving salty food at the moment, have gone off sweets (totally unusual for me, but I had that last time, too), all I want is cheese and olives...

Alb I'm sorry to hear you've had all this to deal with. Not what you need and am quite shocked tbh. I know mw's can't all be wonderful and chirpy and sensitive but I would expect them to all stick to the script re basic things like offering tests. Quite stunned. I hope you can resolve this soon.

Penguin hurrah! I suspect my dp will be the same when we get that far (positive thoughts!) He keeps saying this baby will be an ebay baby. That's fine in theory but I really want to go to a baby shop and skip down the aisles holding hands and purchasing shiney new things!

Jbrd I don't know about low cal I'm afraid. I've been all over the carbs; crumpets, bagels, even frozen potato waffles, and now eating an entire microwave rice portion as an afternoon snack. It's not wonder I can't fasten my jeans! I did manage an avocado and tomatoes with my jacket potato the other day. I guess granary bread? Maybe brown rice? I don't know if they are low cale but they are supposed to keep you fuller for longer.

Last few days I have experienced a change though, hunger-sickness is less intense and when a big meal is presented to me I struggle to eat it. This and the fact I need next bra size are making me feel better because they are the only things that are different from the last pregnancy. I know that means sod all really but it makes it feel distinct which my sanity needs.

Today I am literally stood at the beginning of the time period it all went wrong last time. I may be in need of a lot of fish slaps over the next 2.5 weeks...

alb sorry to hear about the test - I hope you get it sorted. It is amazing how much variation there is in advice from mws and hcps in general... it's not what you need when you're in such a stressful situation anyway.

penguin yay for pram shopping. My DH started with 'oh we'll just pick any old 2nd hand pram up' and we ended up with a bugaboo - he got a bit into testing them all out It was probably one of the only things we bought brand new though, we did do 2nd hand for a lot or were leant or passed things down which was awesome. I am (still) pleased that I got my shiny bugaboo though, even though it's 2nd time round for it I got a really warm glow pulling out all the bits the other day!

jbrd I've not managed to eat terribly healthy in any of my pregnancies, particularly 1st trimester as I go off so much food and just want carbs crisps and pie DH reckons I get a lot of my vitamins from my cereal addiction I do think in the first trimester in particular, there is enough to worry about without stressing about weight gain so do be kind to yourself

Second day of period pain and had some BH yesterday, hopefully things are starting to happen. The period pains are just making me want to curl up and go to sleep! Not a productive way to encourage labour??! I am thinking dilating thoughts... should probably be bouncing on my ball but really need a snooze!

Am copying the list over from the last thread so I can nosey at all the due dates..!

Stats 24 February Today we are pregnant:

TotalShock 0DC, 1MMC, EDD 1 March
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 2 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD 8 March 2014
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 13 March
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Fod27: 1DD 1DS 1MMC EDD 26th March 2014
RainbowConnections: 1DS, 2MC, EDD 1 April
Birdsdoit: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 6 April
Blackberryand Nettle: 1MMC, EDD 10th April
Katatonic: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 11 April
TeaAndANatter: DS, DD, 1MMC, 18th April
Honey786: 0DC, 1MMC ,EDD 19th April
Kjh5: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 21 April 2014
PoppySeedBun: 0DC, 1 MMC, EDD 22 April 2014
thepiggotupandslowlywalkedaway - 3MC, 1 DS, EDD 29 April 2014
ImpatientlyWaiting: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 1 May 2014
MarthasHarbour: 1DS, 2MCs, EDD 7 May 2014
Tomkat: EDD 9 May 2014
Polka: 0DC 1mmc 2mc EDD 9th May
CbeebiesIsMyLife: 2DD's 6MC EDD 15th May
MissMedusa: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 20th May 2014
Emki; 1 DD, 2MC, EDD 23rd May 2014
Penguinita: 0 DC, 1 MMC, EDD 27th May 2014
Bakingtins: EDD 6th June
PGchimp: 0DC, 1 MC, EDD 9th June 2014
MeDoingMyThing: 2 DS, 1MC, EDD 14th June 2014
AliceBear: 1 DD 1mmc 1mc edd 23 june
Getagoldtoof: 1dc, 1mmc, 1mc edd 2 July
Louzul: 1MC, EDD 17 July

Thread Babies:

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby Alexander born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Andadietcoke twin girls born 29 August Charlotte 5lb 5oz & Sophie 7lb 13oz
Pentagon baby Elsie born 23 October 7lb 5oz
Bodicea baby James born 3 November 8lb
Ibelieveinpink baby Imogen born 14 November 7lb 4oz
BumpKitty baby Matilda born 18 Nov 8lb 2oz
Luckysocks13 baby Charlotte born 24 Nov 8lb
Jmf294 baby Alexander James born 25 Nov 7lb 4oz
Shellsocks baby Noah Stephen born 27 Nov 9lb 3.5oz
Gardenworm baby Wolfie born 1 December
Janielovesluckysocks baby Leo Thomas born 4 Dec 7lb 5oz
Bootyluscious baby Sofia born 17 December 6lb 2oz
ChocolateTeabag: baby Joss born 18 December 7lb 7oz
Blackholes: Baby girl born 23 December
WhatwillSantabring: Baby boy born 6 January 8lbs 7oz
pumpkinsweetie: Baby girl born 7 January 6lb 4 oz
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan -needs updating
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb -needs updating

Jbird I am the same- savoury snacks fend off the sick feeling. I do indulge in crisps (as at my 8 week weigh in I seemed the same weight as normal and fat = less clexane burn) but I also have flavoured rice cakes, flavoured nairns oat cakes, mini baby bel light, ryvita and miso soup, toast and marmite.
I haven't gone off sweet things AT ALL either, have got very into mini weetabix and 'cluster' cereals (rich in folic acid and chocolate chunks), cheap dairy milk choc and (more healthily) yoghurt.

Feel sick today but not been sick. Best of both worlds. :)