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I just got a mirror to inspect my lady garden and. my fanny looks like a yeti.

Desperately desperately need a wax. Anyone else been ignoring their "upkeep"?! I'll book one for Tuesday at 31 weeks and hopefully that'll last me until another one at 38 weeks before elcs.

Poor poor dp :-(

Me? I haven't twisted anything. And I have said very clearly that I don't care what the OP does with her pubes. Just that it is odd to filter it through a perceived detriment to your partner. Joke or otherwise.

Thanks evie evie I will ask my salon about the wax they use. They are these wonderful but slightly scary Moroccan women who always tell me off if I don't exfoliate properly

Johnny apologies I wasn't saying you personally.

As for the demonising of pubic hair and reading into one comment I have been having full wax removal since I was 22 and single because I prefer it, as did many of my friends. It's hardly as if this is a new innovation, it's been going on for hundreds of years. Actually everything feels better when I am fuzz free, legs, down there, armpits. Why is it so hard to accept that millions of women do this around the world simply because it feels so much nicer than being hairy and sweaty? Don't care if someone else chooses not to but credit us with brains for being able to make our own decisions.

Right now I resemble a forest pretty much all over and can't wait to be able to do my own legs again and head to my scary ladies for my waxing.

Some of these posts come across as very ott towards choices we are allowed to make over our own bodies as grown ups and very anti male which is not fair.

And I thought the poor dp comment was lighthearted. Mine has had to be all over my nether regions with his clippers as have others by the sound of things. Poor dhs/dps indeed

The demonising of pubic hair is frightening to me.

What if my dd decides she doesn't want to embark on the treadmill that is pubic grooming? What if she feels she has better things to do with her time and is not in the least inconvenienced by having pubes.

But then what if she gets into bed with a man (or woman for that matter) who says that pubes are unacceptable and unhygienic? What if she then feels obliged to groom in order to be acceptable to her partner? This is becoming increasingly likely with so many people buying in to this strange new attitude towards pubic hair, particularly female pubic hair.

Why can't you see that a mum might be frightened of attitudes like that? Presumably because you haven't thought very deeply around the subject and what it represents.

On a practical note, just be really careful about hair removal if you have stretch marks as the skin will be thinner,or varicose veins.

If your Dd doesn't want to wax the she doesn't have to. It's a bit of hair. I think you are massively over thinking this. Are you saying your Dd won't know her own mind or make her own choices? Yes I agree that is frightening that you give her so little credit.

mintyy are you also going to feel demonised by your daughter maybe one day wanting to dye or blow dry her hair? How about a little eye liner? Or even perfume?

If my daughter decided one day pubic hair is what she wanted and someone told her she was less of a person because of it.... I would hope that I would have been instrumental in ensuring that her self esteem and self worth outweighed their opinion and she was confident in her choice and would choose to move on. quickly.

I wonder how my mum and OPs mum would feel knowing that you are being so judgemental about us?

and meanwhile all girls feel they have to wax or they will be considered unclean and untidy.... their poor boyfriends

Sorry Humphrey I missed the post that said all girls must wax or they will feel unclean. Can you point it out to me or is that just another assumption?

What a shame that the OP started this as a lighthearted thread concerning pubes and pregnancy and it has been overtaken by posters determined to make it into another issue. No wonder she hasn't come back. How typical of mumsnet to trash someone because of the choice of words she used.

"mintyy are you also going to feel demonised by your daughter maybe one day wanting to dye or blow dry her hair? How about a little eye liner? Or even perfume?"

No, why on earth are you asking me that? have you read what I have written?

who is trashing her? Not me. Although I may have felt a bit gutted if reading this when pg, so I do hope you are not feeling too got at OP.

this is an important issue though, I am surprised you can't see it batteryhen. I have a daughter and I do worry for her. Removal of pubic hair is difficult, time consuming and often painful, and costs money. And you MUST see that society deems it necessary now in a way it just didn't twenty years ago

It is not a light-hearted subject, it is important.

And I honestly couldn't care less what individuals choose to do with their pubes, but I do care when all the "eew, yuck, don't like it" comments start. That is very judgemental of other women and you are being extremely dense if you refuse to acknowledge that.

By the way, I hardly ever comment on these threads - there are literally hundreds of them - but I felt like doing so today.

The only ones here being judgemental Mintyy are you and Humphrey. You have chosen to take a lighthearted thread and turn it into a crusade.

To be fair, they are expressing valid opinion/concern, not judging anyone or crusading.

And Saucy was rude.

Exactly.

Actually, Mintyy's scenario is neither unlikely or 'over thinking'. There was an eloquent thread a while back where a number of younger (early 20s) posters commented on bullying they had witnessed around this issue. 'Having' to wear lace knickers on PE day to prove you were clean shaven. Whispering campaigns against girls who didn't conform. Disgusted comments from partners.There appears to be a real issue with this 'choice' becoming another obligation in younger women.

Then there are the threads by older posters worrying what medical staff will think. Or whether a new partner after a divorce will be repelled by au naturel.

As I said, I don't give two hoots with what an individual does. But it does have a wider context.

Thing is, it is new, at least it is to many of us. When I was in my 20s very, very few British women removed all their pubic hair. A man expressing disgust at pubic hair on women would have been regarded as a bit odd and having a thing for bare pudenda was 'specialist'.

Waxing your pubic hair is expensive and not without risks. Shaving it when you can barely see it sounds horrific.

Maybe it's just a fashion (as a luxuriant, silky bush would have been in the 80s and 90s) but it's not one that sits right with me. I think the suspicion some of us regard it with, especially in the context of 'poor husbands' and given the added inconvenience, pain and risk to oneself in doing it in pregnancy, is pretty understandable.

humphrey no I don't see it, shave, wax or grow full pubic hair. Surely it's a choice. Anyway, I'm heading off this thread. I must say I do feel very sorry for the Op, in posting an innocent thread, through her choice of words she obviously feels she can't or doesn't want to come back.

Batteryhen, of course it is all a choice. But its not an easy choice to leave it ungroomed if all around you insist that it is undesirable to do so.

it's not cleaner to shave

And yes it is important. I am with mintyy on this one.

We're not talking about young people here, we're talking about a bunch of grown ups who have every right to do with their bodies whatever they see fit, being harangued because some of you don't agree with their opinions.

Now, rather than just to back off and/or not bother commenting on something that was of no interest to you other than as a sounding board for your own opinions, you have used a lighthearted thread to slate everyone else on here who was having a laugh about.

You are being judgemental IMO, and are using this to your push your own agenda. It's pretty sad, and I feel bad for the OP as she's clearly started off a jokey thread only for it be hijacked.

It's is very odd that now it seems to be the norm to shave or remove pubic hair, 20 years ago it was the opposite and men who liked it were viewed rather suspiciously. I'd hate to think dd was now under pressure to remove .

I know we aren't talking about young people. I didn't say we were. I was talking about choices having a societal context.

Johnny Luxurient bush in the 90s?? Not where I came from. Having a "massive bush" as it was called was NOT the done thing. I've always trimmed (neat and short but not waxed: I find it more comfortable especially during periods or hot weather) but was viewed as quite 'natural' even back in the day. I am a bit mystified by the idea it's a very new thing to trim: it's the going 'bare' I think is newer but crucially it is the bullying culture - and that's linked to learning to think via the internet where quickness-to-judge and image are key.

But I think the idea we could all be au naturelle back in the 90s is rose tinted (and a way of making the current bullying culture a naive 'young woman who need protecting' problem - something that happens to other women who we older, wiser feminists worry about - rather than admitting that there was an element of that pressure for many of us back then and we either bucked the trend or went with it).

I thought the OP meant DP was going to have to fiddle around with a razor at her demand hence 'poor'.

I believe in the 70s and before they'd shave YOU in hospital, for hygiene reasons!

To those who have supported my attempt at a lighthearted thread, thank you. To everyone else who has done nothing but a) make out I'm submissive to my dp, 2) made out my dp is a dominating individual, 3) made out that I conform to some sort of pubic hair trend, thanks for all making me feel shit.