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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 31/01/2014 13:58

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

I would like to thank Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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livingzuid · 25/02/2014 20:12

Bacon here is lame. Wafer thin and so transparent you may as well not bother even trying to eat it. One pack just about makes enough for a sarnie and it's all odd in the shape of a circle. I always burn it.

The saddest thing is seeing real bacon in Sainsbury's which is Dutch bacon. They send it all home to be sold! (will ask mum to smuggle some bacon in when she comes next month).

Meerka · 25/02/2014 21:32

wth, you can get proper DUTCH bacon .. but not in the NL?

Arrrg!

petitlapin1 · 25/02/2014 23:06

OH jokes that it can't be his child as the smell of smoked bacon was one of my earliest triggers! We are bacon lovers in this house, it's on my list of postpartum foods. :)

mrsb87 · 26/02/2014 07:54

Dh is vegetarian so bacon is a serious treat for me, especially when he cooks it!

Well ladies I had the best nights sleep I've had in weeks! I even got up to wee once (which is a small miracle in itself). Dh bought me up a peeled and quartered apple for me to nibble and that has gone down well. I am one happy bean today!

SliceOfLime · 26/02/2014 19:34

Mmmm I love bacon normally (it's on the NO list for me though) I usually love red meat but can't eat anything like that. I am getting through a lot of roast chicken... I've also been having runny eggs, I know you're not supposed to but I've never had salmonella before so I'm taking my chances.

Glad you are feeling sO much better mrsb ! hope you can avoid the unpleasant side effects - kalidasa that didn't sound much fun - ah the glamour of an HG pregancy. I've also always conceived really quickly (2 MCs before my daughter with just 2 months between each conception) and straight away this time as soon as I stopped breastfeeding. I've also always been very prone to cystitis lucinda - it is interesting to wonder what else might be linked. Fund out recently too that my nanna had very severe sickness when pregnant - she was telling my sis about it, I need to ring her and ask her more!

LucindaE · 26/02/2014 20:35

Bacon or not, I hope everyone is keeping those ketones down today?
xx

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ChaffinchOfDoom · 26/02/2014 21:08

had a nice chicken tomatoey thingy for tea

Meerka · 26/02/2014 21:20

ye lots of cystitis problems here too. They do reckon there's a strong genetic element to it don't there? Wonder how / where the cystitis fits in ...

petitlapin1 · 26/02/2014 21:34

4 pints of water today and not a drop vomited!! Oh it is truly wonderful to have a vomit free day! Admittedly I only managed to get from bed to sofa and back again, but if that's what it takes then i'll happily do it for the next 12 weeks!

ChaffinchOfDoom · 26/02/2014 21:50

I don't get cystitis a lot, had it twice in 35 years

I do get approx. 1 migraine every 3 months, usually at a season change

I can't take the combined pill, it gives me daily migraines

I had 2 m/c, got pg after about 3-4 months of trying each time

no allergies Grin
guess I'm just lucky to have HG

elizabethsmum · 26/02/2014 22:25

Hi all- sorry not been on thread for a few days.... Glad you are feeling a bit better again mrsb- ondansetron worked best for me too. Not licenced in preg as they are not allowed to do clinical trials on pg peep sobs but widely used now I believe?

Hi kalidasa yes a twin pg was the last thing I was expecting...! I conceived embarrassingly quickly after going for pre conception counselling with consultant! (I had this on the guise of my severe pre eclampsia in my first preg but was actually selfishly more concerned about getting hg again!) must admit though I got far more sympathy with hg second time around and I felt no guilt in taking time off work!!

kalidasa · 26/02/2014 22:30

Yes I am prone to cystitis and also get migraines. I've had two mcs, but they were really very early - 4.5 and just over 5 weeks. If I hadn't been so sick already I could easily have mistaken them for a heavy late period.

Re: the fertility, let me put it this way, I have conceived three times and DH and I have only got without contraception for three months in our entire relationship!!

Hope everyone is bearing up.

elizabethsmum · 26/02/2014 23:07

Obvs not sobs! (But sobs at the lack of available research/data on effectiveness of said drugs!)

Tallyra · 27/02/2014 07:37

Very interesting Convo ladies! I conceive very easily but have had 3 mmc before this pg, all with severe enough hg for a hospital trip by about week 7. I also get migraines, 4 or so a month, when I'm not pg so we suspect they are hormonal. There seems to be a running theme here...

mrsb87 · 27/02/2014 07:54

Morning ladies, had a bit of a pukey evening after dinner but ok now. The nausea is back a long with a new side effect of dizziness....I even walked into the door frame yesterday Hmm

As soon as we started trying Dh barely looked at me and I was pregnant. No mc and no history in the family either. No migraines either, but then I don't have any children yet Wink

Booboostoo · 27/02/2014 08:35

May I join you, although I am not suffering nowhere near as bad as some people on this thread so I don't want to upset anyone by suggesting I deserve your equal sympathy!

10wks pregnant (mid September) with second DC and having the same issues as the first pregnancy. Nausea 24/7, I rarely vomit but the nausea just won't go away, it wakes me up at night, it's worse in the evenings and often even smells make me gag. I've gone off a lot of food groups and foods that sound like a good idea seem to be rejected by my stomach as soon as I put them in my mouth. This time round I am having a lot of problems with water which seems to set off the nausea, but can't be avoided because I (obviously!) get very thirsty!

Last time it lasted till 5.5 months and then came back at 7 months until the end, so giving birth was an enormous, lovely relief.

Moan over, thanks for listening! I know nothing can be done about it but it helps to winge!

Meerka · 27/02/2014 08:50

morning :)

elizabeth there is some evidence for some drugs not so much over the effectiveness, but that they're safe (i researched stuff that you could access for free, this preg :D ). There's a really reasusring article on Ondansetron here in the highly respected New England Journal of Medicine. Big study size too, which is better than the like .. 50 or so people I think it was .... where they found that Ondansetron might increase the risk of cleft palate. The huge study didnt find any risk increase at all. Not been able to find so much stuff on the other drugs, but the older anti-histamines and B6 have been used for many many years now. I think some of the other medicines don't have such a long use-record but not so sure on that.

This is for adverse fetal outcomes. In truth there - is- the possibility of longer term effects that are not known (ondansetron has only been used for preg sickness for about 10 years or so) but then, firstly there can be serious problems if you can't keep liquids / food down and secondly, in all truth if you never try anything new then well, no new drugs will ever be found. It's hard, but sometimes you have to take a (small) risk. Thalidomide would never have been licensed now anyway, cause the testing procedures are far better.

Not exactly what you were looking for sorry, not really the effectiveness thing, but something maybe? :)

tallyra i actually emailed a major HG researcher in the US, one of the founders of the HER forums here about the whole hormone / migrane / cystitis thing but got no reply, sadly.

mrsb the dizziness is an arse ...

and welcome booboo :) ye, I think we all reckon that the intense nausea is worse than the actual vomitting :s It drains you doesnt it? About hints on things to help, no doubt you already know the eat little, eat often thing? an empty stomach can actually make the nausea worse. And eat what you fancy, don't worry about appalling diet, lots of lived off food we'd never have gone near given a choice.

The drink thing is important. Lots of people find sparkling drinks help - sparkly water, lucozade, etc. lucinda found flat diet coke really helped. Sometimes sipping somethign either very hot or very cold helps, even sucking ice cubes.

Ye, the sickness coming back in the last trim seems to be quite common. Was it lighter than the first months' sickness? I'm in the last trim atm and getting sicker again, little bit worse each night bleh. Back to being in bed at 6pm, though at least it's not like ... 11am .. which it was at its worst. Roll on childbirth ... !

LucindaE · 27/02/2014 09:06

Booboostoo Welcome, join the happy crew. It is possible, unfortunately, to have this fun thing without vomiting much. If you've gone off water, and lots do, it's a good idea to make sure you're not getting dehydrated, even without vomiting. If you get some kestostix from a chemist, you can check your urine to make sure. Most find it's the unhealthy stuff that is bearable, at least in the first tri - flat coke is good, some like diet, I swore by the full sugar sort - and jelly, ice lollies,actually, soda water, which isn't as sweet as normal bearbable things, maybe Lucozade, nibbles of crisps, chips. Often salty and sweet things. Are they willing to give you any meds, as obviously your whole quality of life is being ruined by this, and that is the supposed criteria according to those famous guidelines on treatment?
elizabethsmum Kalidasa Tallyra and everyone - very interesting this, they way the same themes run through. Quick conceiving, mc's, and for the lucky people, migraines, often menstrually based, and cystitis. Chafifinch Yes, count yourself lucky to get Hyperemesis! Grin But as you missed out on the fun of the other complaints ...
Mrsb87 Sorry the nausea's come back, uninvited, after that lovely respite.
xx

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LucindaE · 27/02/2014 09:09

Meerka I should have known it, cross posted! Great advice from you already. Sorry you are still feeling Envy.
xx

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PunkStar · 27/02/2014 09:29

I've never had cystitis

I've had two full blown migraines some years ago but if tired/not eaten properly I get the vision blurring and photophobia start of a migraine but can prevent full on eruption with food and PCM.

Two quick conceptions, no miscarriages. I'm in my mid thirties.

It's the same for paediatric prescribing. Loads of meds aren't licensed but are generally considered safe but ethical problems with testing much like on us preg folk.

Boo
Ahhhh the nausea is far worse than vomiting. Mine is escalating again at 26 weeks!! It's horrible isn't it?

My safe foods currently consists of muesli, toast and crisps and I don't really enjoy them. Yay for the day when I can eat a masssssive curry again. Sparkling water works for me :-)

mrsb87 · 27/02/2014 09:32

Meerka I will be having a read of that study later. I think dh seemed concerned when they said it wasn't licensed in pregnancy so maybe that will eae his mind a little.

I am determined to be a bit more helpful today. Poor dh is running himself ragged so I'm going to try a few small jobs. And im of to dh's office to call round his summer contracts to see if they want him this season. Nice and easy!
Lucinda it was a lovely respite!
Booboo the nausea is the worst thing for me as there just isn't any escape, go see your doctor as they might give you something for it.

ChaffinchOfDoom · 27/02/2014 09:34

yes to muesli. I'm having a total love affair with alpen now; toast was making me feel all weird and unbalanced in the mornings

tonic water, lots of ice and a slice- you can imagine the gin bit Grin

nuts are good full of energy - and the honey roast mmmmm. they also do tubs of honey nuts with chocolate chunks now....

mrsb87 · 27/02/2014 09:50

Yuck nuts! ! My theory is I'm nuts enough, don't need to nuts! Shreddies seem to be my breakfast of choice atm.Will try some fruit muesli though, lotsa fibre!

Booboostoo · 27/02/2014 09:51

Thanks for all the support and ideas! I am usually a very non-fussy eater and I feel so bad now that I am 'refusing' to eat so many different things! I can't cope at all with lamb, beef, fish, chocolate, most sweet things and anything with lemon in it. Plain pasta, plain jacket potatoes, plain noodles and some fruit are OK but I can't tell for sure until I try them. Haribo jelly babies and similar sweets offer a weird relief although I don't normally like them when not pregnant.

As for drinks, again sorry to sound so fussy, but anything other than water is an immediate disaster. Bizarelly almost everything I eat, even salty crisps, has a sweet, sikly undertone to it.

I am in France, where I think knowledge and support for this is even worse than the UK. Last pregnancy my doctor suggested gaviscon but it made no difference at all.

I try to get all the family cooking done in the morning because by the evening I am so out of it I can't even stand in the kitchen!

My third trimester nausea was not quite as bad as the first trimester last time, but psychologically it was tough because I had assumed I was over the worst of it when it went away around 25 weeks that it was very depressing when it returned. Last time I had a huge craving for coal (greatly tempted to indulge it every morning when I cleared out the woodburner) which hasn't returned yet.

Meerka · 27/02/2014 10:07

punk when I'm tired I get blurry vision and light-sensitivity too! sparkly lights too sometimes. Get them a lot now during the preg when I stand up, but I assume that's low blood pressure. But when not preg, the vison things never progress to the full blown migrane. Thank heavens. They sound awful :(

booboo would water-filled food help? Finch has a list I think. The only one I can remember is watermelon.

booboo some people find that cyclizine and B6 help. Have you got any friends in the UK who could get you some and send them over? On the other hand some people find it makes it worse, but it could be worth trying?