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Termination following diagnosis of abnormality

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Rosy · 23/11/2001 16:34

Sorry to bring everyone down, but I will soon be going in to hospital to have my 17 week pregnancy terminated following an amnio which showed that our daughter has Downs. Obviously we're distraught about it, and the more we learn about it the worse it gets (I will have to be induced, my milk will come in after three days, there will be a funeral...) As we've found, there's not much to say about it, certainly no looking on the bright side, but I would welcome other people's experience of it, and reassurance if there is any. Thanks, Rosy.

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Tigermoth · 29/11/2001 11:31

Mima, this is just a small message for you. I thought your post was very moving and I hope this message thread has has not upset you. My thoughts go out to you, too.

Rosy · 29/11/2001 12:05

Thank you everyone for your messages of support, especially those who have been through it - I appreciate you opening your hearts to me about something that must be very difficult to re-live. I went in to hospital on Monday, all the staff were fantastic, I delivered in the afternoon and came home that same evening. The best thing I can say about it was that it was totally painless. I was fine until a couple of hours after we'd been home, then it struck me that we'd left our daughter in the hospital and come home without her, and there was nobody to look after her and that she'd be lonely without us. I was a wreck for 48 hours, not able to stop crying as I realised the enormity of what we'd done. I don't mind people telling me that our child would have given us great joy, I'm sure it's true, and I've come to the conclusion that this is something that I will have to eventually forgive myself for doing. Of course, I feel terrible that I didn't have the strength to give our daughter when she needed it. There are secondary arguments about the effect a child with Downs would have on your other children and your family life, but if you don't want to end your child's life, they would make no difference to you. However, in my more lucid moments I know that it was the right decision for us and I would do the same again.

We saw Rosy (I got my way on choice of names as you can see) immediately after the birth, but not for long, and I declined to see her again before we left. This was something I really regretted the next day and phoned the hospital in a panic asking to see her again. We saw her yesterday afternoon, and while the man we saw was very professional, telling us what to expect, he also spoke of our wee one as a real person. She was dressed in a little coat with a hood, and laid on blankets in a tiny crib. Whoever does the knitting is doing an amazing job, because I really felt that she was being well looked after and cared for. I expected to be distraught, but when I saw her lying there, a great calm came over me. We were able to hold her in our arms, and I could whisper my thoughts to her, namely that we are now a family of four, and she will always be our second child.

At first I didn't want to tell anyone, but now Rosy's a person who we've seen and been with, we don't want to deny her existence either. The hospital makes up a kind of certificate for you with your child's name and date of birth, so were going to get copies of that to give to family and friends. I feel it's even more important than with other babies that people know her full name and birthday, as they will not be reminded of them that often.

Roglyn - thanks for going through all those details for me, it can't have been easy, but I hope that it helped to talk about it again. I find with bereavement (I lost my Dad 7 years ago) people ask after you for a while, but forget that you may still, or again be feeling just as bad several years later. That's not to say that people's concern isn't welcome at any time. I liked the idea of a scrapbook - we're accumulating bits and bobs and it would be nice to have them together. And I know that photos are not macabre - it's your baby. I've thought of sponsoring a tree in a forest (we're not exactly green-fingered and share our garden with 10 other flats) or possibly a child in Africa or India. But I think it's best to wait for a few months until we can see a bit more clearly. After the funeral next week, as there will be no ashes, I'd like us to go up the hill that overlooks the city and scatter some flower petals - the chaplain suggested a bud that hadn't yet opened.

After I'd delivered I asked the midwife about when I could get pregnant again, and she said we should wait a few months to think about Rosy & just be good to ourselves and enjoy our elder daughter. I now realise what good advice that is. Our daughter wasn't just part of our family plan, she was a person in her own right, and she will always be part of our family.

Thanks again everyone for your support and comments. R.

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Mooma · 29/11/2001 12:45

Thinking of you still, Rosy, love Mooma XX

Pamina · 29/11/2001 12:58

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Emmam · 29/11/2001 13:19

Dear Rosy, I found your posting so very moving. I think you are enormously brave and to come back so quickly after your daughter's birth to let us know how you are doing is truly admirable. I'm pleased for you that you had the chance to meet her, hold her and speak to her. I'm sure that will be a great comfort in years to come.

Having been bereaved before, then you know that the cliche time is a great healer is true. You still miss them, but it gets easier to miss them.

Thank you for telling us about Rosy. Thinking of you - I hope the sun shines brightly for you when you are standing on your hill.

2under2 · 29/11/2001 13:26

Rosy - don't know whether you've seen this yet - there's a support board for termination after poor prenatal diagnosis at www.parentsplace.com
here's the URL:
boards.parentsplace.com/messages/get/pptermppt28.html

!!!Possibly offensive material following!!!
To other people who have posted on this thread complaining about the nature of the messages that were posted: please remember that this is a very public board and many people read it. It will be displayed at mumsnet for probably quite a long time. Some of those future visitors might be people who will at some point face a situation similar to that of Rosy and Lisa's sister and it is very important to point out that there is a choice and termination does not have to be the 'logical' conclusion. My daughter is full of life, bright, healthy and a joy to her family. Of course I was devastated when she was born - I had declined screening tests because I knew my baby would always be loved no matter what, but at 24 I certainly wasn't expecting a baby with DS. We had to reassess our hopes and dreams for the future and try to work with the new situation we found ourselves in. Life is what you make of it! My husband and I will always make sure our older daughter does not consider her younger sister a burden, and I really do think that parents have a lot of control over family dynamics like that.

PS: Here is an article on that 'a heartbreaking choice' web site, published in 'Ragged Edge':www.ragged-edge-mag.com/0798/a798ft4.htm

Lisav · 29/11/2001 13:56

Rosy, I cannot imagine what you are going through, I will be thinking of you. Please turn to Mumsnet for support whenever you need to, we're a good bunch really!

2under2 I applaud what you are saying, hopefully these postings may just help someone in a similiar situation to Rosy's.

Bugsy · 29/11/2001 13:58

Dear Rosy, thank you for letting us know how you got on. I am glad that you had the chance to be with your daughter & that the hospital were so kind to you. You are still very much in my thoughts & prayers.

Honeybunny · 29/11/2001 14:01

Dear Rosy
Just had to say how moved I was by your posting. It reminded me so much of myself after we lost our son. The rollercoaster of emotions, the endless questioning of our decision, and the constant reassurance I needed about what we had done. I'm so glad you were able to go back and see Rosy, it's something I wish I'd been able to do. We had our son entered into the hospital's book of remembrance, and they hold a service at the chapel once a year for all those who have lost children. I'm not especially religious but I found it a comfort. Perhaps your hospital does something similar.
I'll be thinking of you over the next week, with the funeral and everything. Lots of love to you all and little Rosy.
If you ever need to talk it over at a later date, I'd be more than happy to be here for you.

Marina · 29/11/2001 14:26

Dear Rosy,
Thank you for returning to tell us how you got on - what an extraordinarily strong person you must be. Thinking of you all, and like Emmam, wishing you sunlit vistas from the top of your hill for little Rosy. I'm sure all of us who have read this thread have you, and Honeybunny, and Roglyn and Zadie, very much in our thoughts at the moment. And Mima too - I hope so much your AFP result is a false positive.

Tigermoth · 29/11/2001 15:13

Rosy, you have gone where I've never had to go. I can only begin to comprehend the range of emotions you must be feeling. Thank you for sharing your moving story. Thinking of you, you partner and both your children.

Tigermoth XXX

Chanelno5 · 29/11/2001 15:40

Love to you and your family, Rosy. I think you have all been very brave.

Suedonim · 29/11/2001 17:40

Rosy, all the wise words have been spoken, I just want to say that Baby Rosy will live on in your thoughts, and ours, and I wish you brighter days in the future.

Sue
XXX

Faith · 29/11/2001 20:18

Rosy, I can't say any more than has been said. Just to let you know I'm thinking of you and baby Rosy. She will always be part of your family, as my firstborn, stillborn son is part of ours. Its just a week until his birthday, so it is especially poignant for me. Thinking of you and your family.

Joe1 · 30/11/2001 05:19

Rosy, you are very brave, thinking of you.

I also agree with your post 2under2, this thread has brought me to tears with everybodies stories, views and experiences. These are what help people and make Mumsnet.

Robinw · 30/11/2001 07:40

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Winnie · 30/11/2001 09:24

Rosy, thinking of you and your family, best wishes and love, Winniex

Mima · 30/11/2001 09:30

Rosy, I am sitting here in tears reading your note. You are so very brave to have gone through with it, I admire your strength. Good Luck for the future.

Batters · 30/11/2001 09:35

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Ariel · 30/11/2001 10:02

Rosy.I can only repeat the previous posts and wish you all the best.

Janh · 30/11/2001 12:45

Rosy, I echo all the other messages - you are brave and strong and we will not forget little Rosy.
Your idea of possibly sponsoring a third world child for her is a lovely one.
Good luck to all of you.

Enid · 30/11/2001 13:52

Rosy, thinking of you, little Rosy and your family with love and compassion.
xx

Roglyn · 01/12/2001 23:26

Rosy

Thinking of you and yours. It's terrible to go through but it does get better eventually. But we don't ever forget our lost little ones.

Love roglyn

Belgrano · 14/01/2009 19:02

Oooh lord Rosy this thread has just made me cry buckets. I have been diagnosed as high risk for chromosomal abnormalities and had a CVS today so am trying to research my options. Your experience sounds so terribly terribly sad Rosy. Tell me, how do you feel about it now? If you want to talk about it that is. It would help me to know how it feels 6 years down the line.
Thank you and sorry to bring up old wounds. Please feel free to ignore this if you don't want to talk about it.

InSearchOfaName · 14/01/2009 19:05

Belgrano - I don't think Rosy posts any more, although I may be wrong. Sorry you have this difficult decision to consider. There are a lot of mners who have been through this.

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