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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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horseynewmum · 16/11/2011 14:49

Magnum so sorry to hear your having a rough time. Cyber Hugs for you

Clandy Weetabix is one of my meals. Not been able to eat today.

All this is getting to me. Managed to piss off upset another so called friend today just cause I wouldnt do something for her because of my HG. It seems more people are pissed off unhappy with me being pregnant and thats including me. Where is the happy times? :(

I've never asked for much in life and done so much for others and this is how I get repaid. Life is a bitch sometimes.
Crawls back in to pit to let it all out

MOH100 · 16/11/2011 15:51

seapie I cut down from four 4mg tablets a day to one a day. I did it really gradually, cutting out one pill then taking that for 3 or 4 days to see how I felt before cutting out the next one. I never got down to none despite 3 attempts, I stayed on one a day till birth. Every time I cut it out completely, within a few days the nausea would be back. To be honest, if you're still feeling sick then you're probably not taking enough as it is. I would only cut down if I was feeling completely ok. There's no particular reason to not take them at 29 weeks.

magnum commiserations, we go through rough spells sleep wise with 22mth old DD, sometimes we just can't see a reason for it - though recently realised that she probably didn't have enough bedclothes on, things got better when we put a cardigan on over her sleepsuit, think we were just in denial that it is actually winter now.

horsey some - maybe most - people just dont understand. not sure what they don't get about 'i feel sick every waking moment and it makes me feel crap' but they don't. Think sometimes it's just lack of imagination or empathy.

smk84 · 16/11/2011 16:01

Hi all,
Welcome Clandy - to me there is nothing harder than feeling and being sick all the time, it dominates your whole being, so you are very strong by just making it through the day. Hugs to you.
Magnum sorry to hear things are rough. Really hope things improve soon.
Horsey some people are a nightmare ! sometimes life is so unfair, but I do really think that in the end you get what you give. I hope you have managed to eat today. Great news that your scan went well. Big Hugs.
I have been really nauseous the past couple of days, but have tried cyclizine again and it seems to work a bit better than it did a few weeks ago.

horseynewmum · 16/11/2011 16:06

MOH thanks it just feels like the people who dont understand are the people in my life. I would swap this for what is classed as a 'normal pregnancy' if it make others happy and give me a peaceful life.

seapie 'm not on same meds as you but I would listen to what your body tells you and if you still being sick maybe you need to stay on tabs or up dose.

ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts · 16/11/2011 18:26

Hello all of you sicky ladies Grin

Just thought I'd pop in quick and say hi.

Hope you are all coping well and listening to the oracle lucinda Grin

It's great over here on the other side. DS is 8 weeks now, is gorgeous and perfect and so so worth all the vomming!

I have seen quite a few help me threads over in pregnancy section and have referred them over here and to moh's site so I'm still trying to advise people as and when I can.

Love to you all xxx

fleurelise · 16/11/2011 19:09

Hi all,

today has been a bit up and down. Feeling nauseous, but able to eat and keep things down so nothing like as bad as I was. Still not up for doing much though. Don't know how you are all managing with toddlers as well - but I suppose you just do what you have to do.

aLovely always helps to hear news about what it's like on the other side. Congrats! Can't wait.
horsey Sorry you are not getting the support you need from those around you. It gets really tiresome having to explain 'just' how crap you feel.
smk84 hope the cyclizine is doing the trick, for me constant nausea is as bad as the vomiting.
hi Magnum wow - you've had the full treatment :( hope ds gets some good rest tonight so you can too - a uti on top of a vomiting bug on top of HG.. my heart goes out to you.
seapie I checked my company's policy and it says if you're ill during the 4 wk period before your expected week of childbirth, you will be required to go on maternity leave. I think this is standard, but best bet to check with you HR dept as ultimately they can use their discretion.

LucindaE · 16/11/2011 19:46

Back from Welsh in the fog!
Clandy How are you today?
Fleurliese I am so glad you got Ondansetron, that's marvellous! Pink Fluffiness sounds good, we have FluffyWhiteKittens purring there too lol.

SM I'm glad that cyclazine is helping you more than it did, hugs toyou in turn.
Horsey Sorry about awful after affects of the car journey, with people not understanding. I don't think they should demand anything of you at the moment! Most likely things will get a lot better and soon. Things were dismal for MaryLou some months ago, they've looked up since for sure. Smile. Cyber hugs. I so agree with MOH So many people have no idea at all.
Seapie Twenty-nine weeks already? Well done, and excellent advice from MOH as usaul.
Magnum Poor you, a bug and a urinary infection. That is too bad. Gentle pats offered...
Coconuts Thanks Lovely to hear from you with your encouraging message, and thanks so much for what you're doing directing people here and to MOH's website. Hugs as always. Ooh, I'm getting halfway decent at those links these days lol. Lovely to hear from TheOnly and Harper too.
Hope everyone had a bearable day. Sorry to anyone I've rudely overlooked.
Lucinda
xx

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Clandy · 16/11/2011 21:34

Thanks for asking Smile not a good day I'm afraid not even able to hold it in today and threw up in the kitchen sink Sad and several times at work (including an embarrassing run through assembly!)

So sorry your having rough times ladies it's awful people not understanding what it's like. In my family so far I'm the only one with morning sickness of any kind let alone the bad kind. FIL even asked if I thought it was all in my head!! But like it has been said as it's my second I feel more prepared as had morning sickness last time and I know it will be so worth it at the end when I cuddle my little one keeping that thought in my head for the foreseeable future I think Smile

fleurelise · 16/11/2011 22:27

Welcome back LucindaE :)
Yes, much better - this forum is a great help.

Clandy sorry [hugs]. On my side of the family I have people who've experienced this, on the DH's side everyone just 'pops' them out - had the DH asking me to try 'Mind over Matter' when it started.

LucindaE · 17/11/2011 08:34

Clandy Popor you Sad - that does sound bad - and worse for sure than normal morning sickness.Surely you need meds if it's several times a day? Can't imagine how you manage to cope at work if you are a teacher. Do keep monitoring for dehydration with kesosticks, if it's your second you are the expert, but it's worth a visit to the doctor. This mind over matter postiive thinking is a pain - sometimes, it seems almost to be used to make people feel guilty for having ilnesses, or suffering misfortunes of any kind. It's become alarmingly pervasive.
Fleurliese So glad you are feeling better now. Smile
Lucinda
xx

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MotherofPearl · 17/11/2011 09:12

Hi all,
Sorry to hear about everyone having a hard time - Fleurelise, Clandy, Horsey and Magnum. I really do feel for you all, especially those in the early stages. I remember all too well how truly horrific it is at that time, and don't let anyone tell you that 'mind over matter' will help. If only it could! As if anyone would want to feel and be so sick?!
Seapie, sounds like maybe you need to keep on taking the ondanestron a while longer. If it keeps you functional, or at least partly functional, then it seems worth it. Smk, how is the cyclizine now? It's not a wonder cure I don't think, but it does make some difference.
As you can all see, I am still waiting for labour to start. EDD is today and I have a membrane sweep later which I really hope gets things going. Have been sick twice a day these last few days and with a huge bump it is really quite painful. Can't bloody wait for the end of this! Hopefully the sweep will give this baby the hint to finally vacate the premises. :)

LucindaE · 17/11/2011 11:54

Pearl Just dashing on to wish you the best of luck! Still puking at term is too bad, horribly uncomfortable.
Clandy How are you today? (clucks anxiously, as in my post below about seeing a doctor as there's no way this is normal M/S).

Lucinda
xx

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louby86 · 17/11/2011 12:19

Good luck pearl hope it hurries things along for you!

Been sick today, I'm sure it's the heartburn at night making it worse, not sure if that's possible?

Hello to everyone!

Xx

horseynewmum · 17/11/2011 16:27

Hi all,

Good luck pearl tho sorry to hear you still being sick yet you so close to the end.

clandy how are you?

louby sorry to hear your not well.

lucinda how are you? you always asking after me so only fair I ask how you are.

Been back to doctors today and they have reduced my cyclezine to 1x 50mg a day. Bit miffed as on 3x 50mg a day I was still being sick. Spoke to midwife and they said if vomiting gets worse on reduced method over weekend up it back to three times a day and go back to another doctor monday. Unfortuantly doctor I saw today is not one of the ones i've been seeing last 7/8 wks.

Clandy · 17/11/2011 19:27

Sorry to hear they have cut down your meds but hope that maybe your improving and won't need it!!

I am managing to keep down liquids and seem to flit between goodish and much worse days usually depending on if I can face eating or not so trying to force feed myself to keep sickness away. Going to make a docs app but they are like trying to find the end of a rainbow around here. I feel like it is affecting DD though as I'm exhausted and feel rubbish so need it sorting out Smile thank you for caring!!

Hope everyone else is feeling ok today x

theonlyhb2 · 17/11/2011 19:50

horsey, thats crazy, stupid dr, get back there and demand more! cyclazine users will tell you it needs time to build up

pearl, good luck! enjoy the tea and toast after (or burger king as I demanded)

jiffy bags are great for puking into whilst driving, and you can seal them when they are full so no spillage :)

horseynewmum · 17/11/2011 20:09

I'm going to do what midwife said. I'm demanding to see what my drs mon or try and get an over phone appointment so don't have to travel.

louby MMMMMMMMM the thought of a BK not that it will stay down long. Good idea about jiffy bags for travelling will take some with me in future rather then get the driver to pull over thanks

LucindaE · 18/11/2011 11:03

Clancy Don't try and tough it out without treatment, what with working at a school and everything, it is asking too much of yourself.
Horsey I think that's outrageous about the reduced dose if you were still being sick on the higher one Shock and you must go back and I hope someone goes with you for moral support, it's so hard to fight your corner when feeling like puking. Mother hen is fine, thank you! Smile.
Louby Sympathies about the heartburn. After I was so lucky with the Acupunture treatment, I did suffer from residual heartburn for the rest of the pregnancy, and sometimes it was so bad it made me sick. While preferable to being sick constantly, it is dismal. Apparently there's some new over the counter treatment you can buy someone recommended back on the last thread (it may have been MOH).
TheOnly Jiffy bags, now that is an idea, better than carrier bags as you could even post them to unsympathetic medics lol.
Magnum and Everyone How are things?
Lucinda
xx

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louby86 · 18/11/2011 11:24

Ooo thanks Lucinda I'm off to look through the last thread to see! Off to my 3d/4d scan later today so I'll hopefully be able to put some pictures on my profile.

fleurelise · 18/11/2011 11:59

hi everyone

Clandy Hope you get that Dr's appt. Watch out for dehydration - but I'm sure you know the signs as it's your 2nd. At one point carbonated water was the only thing that I could keep down.
horsey Can't believe they've reduced the cyclizine. one tab a day won't help you. Hope you got the over phone appt and they see reason.
Good Luck Pearl Hope sweep did the trick and you are on your way to fluffy Pink castle loveliness
Smk How are you? Hope the nausea has improved?
Louby so sorry to hear you are still being sick at this point, although hopefully Feb not looking too far away now.

Am still nauseous but not anything like as bad as I was and keeping food down. Worse in the evenings for some reason, but eating seems to help, so quickly putting back the weight that I lost. Will prob have the opposite problem at this rate.

maldivemoment · 18/11/2011 14:55

Hello all

Sorry for not reading through the previous posts but I just saw the title of the thread and thought
a) you may be able to give me some advice
and
b) you may be able to hold my hand!

Currently about 8 weeks with baby No. 2 and now well and truly into the swing of hyperemesis. The past few days it has really kicked in which means I have not been able to go to work and today my parents have taken our little one as I am basically incapable of looking after him. Cue ENORMOUS guilt...

GP has prescribed me promethazine. Have been assured it is perfectly safe but still reluctant to take it, however I think I might have to. Anyone got any experience?

My symptoms are; round-the-clock nausea but not yet been sick. Particularly bad through the night - the nausea wakens me then can't get back to sleep 'cos I just lie there focusing on not being sick! Bla, bla, bla...you get the picture. Currently surviving on toast.

Not feeling up to typing any more at the moment...

Thanks you in advance

MOH100 · 18/11/2011 15:48

maldive Welcome and commiserations. I took promethazine (as brand name phenergan) although it didn't help me at all. i then moved to prochlorperazine (brand name stemetil) then ondansetron. Safety wise, promethazine, like all the anti-histamines, has a very good safety record and I personally wouldn't hesitate to take it. I've reprinted below an excerpt from the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) advice for treatment of hyperemesis, the whole article is at

www.guideline.gov/summary/summary.aspx?doc_id=10939&nbr=5719&ss=6&xl=999

I've highlighted in bold (at least I've tried to I hope it works) the bit referring to the safety of drugs - (for info, promethazine is an H1 receptor antagonist of the phenothiazine class). As far as ACOG are concerned, it's safe - and that's in America where they'd get sued if it wasn't.

Most women on this forum are on a cocktail of drugs. It really is the only way to do anything about HG. For most, the problem is getting the GP to hand them over in the first place!

Have a read, there's more info about treatments on www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk and www.pregnancysicknesssupport.co.uk

ACOG Guidelines
The following recommendations are based on good and consistent scientific evidence (Level A):

Taking a multivitamin at the time of conception may decrease the severity of nausea and vomiting of pregnancy.
Treatment of nausea and vomiting of pregnancy with vitamin B6 or vitamin B6 plus doxylamine is safe and effective and should be considered first-line pharmacotherapy.
In patients with hyperemesis gravidarum who also have suppressed thyroid-stimulating hormone levels, treatment of hyperthyroidism should not be undertaken without evidence of intrinsic thyroid disease (including goiter and/or thyroid autoantibodies).

The following recommendations are based on limited or inconsistent scientific evidence (Level B):

Treatment of nausea and vomiting of pregnancy with ginger has shown beneficial effects and can be considered as a nonpharmacologic option.
In refractory cases of nausea and vomiting of pregnancy, the following medications have been shown to be safe and efficacious in pregnancy: antihistamine H1 receptor blockers, phenothiazines, and benzamides.
Early treatment of nausea and vomiting of pregnancy is recommended to prevent progression to hyperemesis gravidarum.
Treatment of severe nausea and vomiting of pregnancy or hyperemesis gravidarum with methylprednisolone may be efficacious in refractory cases; however, the risk profile of methylprednisolone suggests it should be a treatment of last resort.

The following recommendations are based primarily on consensus and expert opinion (Level C):

Intravenous hydration should be used for the patient who cannot tolerate oral liquids for a prolonged period or if clinical signs of dehydration are present. Correction of ketosis and vitamin deficiency should be strongly considered. Dextrose and vitamins, especially thiamine, should be included in the therapy when prolonged vomiting is present.
Enteral or parenteral nutrition should be initiated for any patient who cannot maintain her weight because of vomiting.

smk84 · 18/11/2011 15:49

Hi all, hugs and best wishes to you.
Welcome MaldiveM I know you will receive plenty of support here as I certainly have (and I don't think I have HG). I have not taken prometh, but I was prescribed cyclizine, which I was really reluctant to take, but in the end had no choice as I couldn't keep anything down and was in a right mess ! There is a great site called sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/ (I hope this has linked, if not it is in an earlier post by MOH) which has excellent info on different drugs.
I too have been feeling guilty about needing to ask other people to look after my DS, but even getting up off the sofa/bed sends me spinning with nausea so I haven't had much choice. I think children are very good at adapting. Sorry to hear you are having trouble sleeping. Hope it improves soon.
Fleur glad you are a bit better. Thank you for asking about me - still feel sick all the time, but I take meds when it gets unbearable and that seems to stop me being sick.
Pearl any progress from the sweep? Sorry to hear you are in pain from being sick - I really hope you are rid of it asap. Thank you also for asking, cyclizine seems to be helping. I am living off ryvitas and cheese (very strange, but couldn't live off toast anymore!)
Horsey that is very strange. Did they give you a reason? If being on 1 a day is worse for you, do you have enough to take 3 a day until you get back to the docs?
Clandy I really hope you get a doc app soon. Just seeing the doc really helped me as I felt it was the first step in hopefully feeling a bit better. I work in a school too, and there's no way I could do my job at the moment (this is my 3rd week signed off).
My dad has suggested I try acupunture - has anyone found this to help? (I think Lucinda you may have mentioned it?) . I am a bit reluctant but think I would give it a go......

MOH100 · 18/11/2011 15:51

btw, for info, stemetil is a phenothiazine so is also considered by ACOG to be safe.

maldivemoment · 18/11/2011 16:52

Thank you for allowing me to join in!

MOH - thank you for the drug info. I think I was prescribed Stemetil in my previous pregnancy but by that stage (12 weeks. Date of my scan and I had to leave the room 3 times to throw up!) I think I left it too late and it had little effect. I'm going to give the promethazine a try tonight although I've heard about the exhaustion so am prepared for another day on the sofa tomorrow! (is it even possible to feel MORE exhausted???)

Watch this space...

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