New Hyperemesis Support thread founded by the lovely LucindaE

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As the old thread is nearly full here it is time a brand new thread is born. All we need now is a new vomit face emoticon MN towers!

We are a bunch of past, present and future HG sufferers (along with worried spouses, family and friends) who use this thread to support, listen and discuss the dreaded pregnancy illness that is HG (hyperemesis gravidarum).

There are no limits on how much moaning posters can do nor can anyone's symptoms or experiences be tmi.

The old thread has been a great support to many of us and we hope this new thread carries on the great work started by old thread founder and HG guru LucindaE. She still maintains, supports and clucks around the thread daily even though her own experience of HG is thankfully over.

So with no further incoherent rambling from me on with the new thread eh?

MaryLou mother hen is anxious about you...
LucindaE
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Sorry didn't make it on the thread this weekend - had a sick one so was chained to the toilet all a result of missing my Saturday morning cyclizine because DS2 had hid my bottle under his pillow. glad they have child proof caps! I'm so glad I spring cleaned on thursday as its much more pleasant vomming into a stain free latrine.

Congratulations katy so so pleased for you and your family. So..... name, weight, in depth birth details please. I love a good birth story.

Welcome wizz, mummy (who am I going to harrass with questions about HG in a hot country)and Diege (who I'm going to be asking did you have this with HG, did you have that with HG)how are we all doing today?

I second nitnat and caramel about routine, routine, routine. If only if its used as a psychological prop so you can convince yourself you are battling HG.

theonly and la and luce and coconuts hope you are all ok. I'm worried about marylou too Lucinda, should we PM her?

I'm 28 weeks on Friday and if one more person pulls a face at me and says my bump is small and I look very pale I'm going to punch them. In the nicest possible way

Hi Lucinda Yes, thanks I have been feeling more reassured - or was it just that a big wave of nausea overtook me and stopped me thinking about everything else for a while? I am desperately trying to convince myself that these meds are actually working, I am definitely not "back to my old self" and the nausea keeps rolling in an pinning me to the sofa instead of letting me get up and about and on with my life, but it does seem to be less constant and less severe - and I am not throwing up so thats great.

Has anyone else found that meds help but dont totally cure it? or am I just on the wrong meds?

coconuts I totally trust your advice and wont be doing any experiments by going off them!

Welcome wizz, mummy & Diege to our (not so) merry band.

Felt crap all weekend so kept - p*ed cause food aversion seem to have returned with vengenange and struggled to eat.

Work ok today; boss accepted my reduced hours likely to last for duration and actually did take pressure off couple projects today so that's good (did look particularly pale and thin of face today apparently!)

Agree routine and continuing with meds the only way. I would eat mouthful of dry cereal as soon as woke then cyclizine and would avoid morning bile run. Not much would help come 3pm except hope sleep would keep me away from toilet bowl! I'm back on evening cyclizine after unsuccessful attempt to quit, but reassurred of safety by all of you who've been through this before.

Mummy for me meds helped with reducing vomit but not nausea :(

Grumblin I have opposite where some amazed bump so big (and no concept of boundaries)! I like to think that's cause rest of me shrunk - only 6lbs under conception weight now though so that's progress...

nitnat sorry still ick - are you back on cyclizine?
caramel impressed with nesting instinct, sure mine will kick in soon...

Sorry need to bath DD and then will flake out so will post more soon - hope all else surviving x

have had some brown discharge this afternoon, bit worried, saw the doc at 6pm got a scan on thursday, now dont want to take my meds cause at least when head is down loo I know all is ok! taken it as DS1 has to be at nursery for 8.30 and cant do that puking!

diege four- hats off to you, its took me three years to even contemplate another!

MOH100 thank you for all information I shall be looking it up, interestingly although my mother had HG and now my DD has it, me and my other DD sailed through pregnancy without a hitch! what an odd condition it is and how brave all of you are to go through it time and time again. I am trying to get a thread started on gransnet but after some initial interest it has gone quiet other grans must be a lot braver than me.

grandma indeed very strange condition. My mum, my 2 sisters and me have had it, but my mum's 2 sisters and her mum didn't. My mum was the first in the family in living memory to have it and there were plenty of pregnant women in previous generations so heaven knows where it came from.

Mummy meds for me knocked the vomming on the head but I was still nauseous - initially still so nausous I couldn't get off the sofa much but I still felt better than before because at least I could eat and was capable of going to the fridge and getting my own food. It got much better after 18 weeks and I could reduce the meds dosage while still controlling the nausea. I tried to stop the meds completely several times but I'd end up back in bed with killer nausea again. I took a small dose of meds till birth. Have to say though, even when I was feeling ok and it was all under control, if I overdid things I'd end up feeling really crap again. Unfortunately you have to rest, not easy when you've got another little one.

Hi, thanks for your concern mother hen, I've returned to the nest now.

Have been in hospital, yes, but not for HG reasons. Had a horrible bereavement over the weekend involving having to switch off a ventilator, it was horrendous. My brother was only 46 and had an accident falling from a window, there was nothing they could do in the end, he's left his wife and two children, plus the rest of his family, we're all still in shock.

It's been hard trying to hide the nausea which has hit me with a vengeance. I'm trying not to complain too much as it now seems like a minor problem in comparison. I'm not saying it's like that for everyone else, I remember well how horrible it was last time and how it dominates your life. Unfortunately it's now going to be difficult to tell family early if I get worse and need more help, I don't want the focus to move onto me if you see what I mean.

Anyway, feeling horribly sick 24 hours. Still not throwing up, although I had a horrible dry retching session this morning. I don't know what's worse, bile or nothing coming up. I have given up with the stemetil. They are disgusting and make no difference. I'm persevering with the nux vomica as they do take the edge off a bit. Maybe without it I'd be throwing up? I don't fancy experimenting to find this out or not.

Thinking of everyone and very pleased to hear the baby news!

Oh marylou I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother. Sending my love to you and your family. Terrible tragedy

Wizz, I had a few episodes of brown spotting but all was fine at the scans. It is very common, hope your scan can reassure you :)

Diege stories like yours just make me want to weep - your 4th HG pregnancy and your GP still hasn't got you on an effective, robust, failsafe treatment plan. If I did my job that poorly I'd expect to be sacked. You should be under a consultant with expertise in dealing with HG and you should have tried every available med and combination of meds, even the expensive ones, until you find the ones that work for you. You're right to get treatment asap, all the treatment protocols I've seen stress the importance of early intervention - see my previous posts for links to treatment guidelines, if your GP isn't aware of these, take them a copy. Have a discussion with them about what to do in the event of the cyclizine becoming ineffective so that you have plan B in place - you know more than anyone that if that happens you may not be in a fit state by that time to have the conversation you need to have. My OB gave me a prescription for 3 different drugs with instructions to start the first one, introduce the next one if the first didn't work, then introduce the 3rd if it still wasn't working. She didn't give me one, then tell me to come back after I'd been puking for a week and she'd think about trying another. She said she wanted me to have them all in the medicine cabinet so I could take them immediately when I needed them. Then she faxed my GP with instructions to give me repeat prescriptions of whatever I needed for the rest of the pregnancy. She said if meds don't work I should come back and she'd try the next line - steroids - and if that didn't work we'd move to the next level - parenteral nutrition. Now that's a treatment plan! Fortunately meds worked, but I left her consulting room feeling that - first of all, a doctor has actually taken me seriously - and with the confidence that whatever happened, I would be taken care of -not having to pitch up at A&E in desperation for IV fluids like my sisters did. This should be the minimum standard of care for every woman with HG. Why in this day and age do so many of us end up with a clueless GP fumbling about trying ineffective meds or telling us to try ginger?! Oh god I can feel a rant coming on, I need to get off this thread its no good for my blood pressure. Good luck with the cyclizine, let us know if it works.

diege meant to say you're the only HG sufferer apart from my mum I've ever heard of who went to 5 pgs. Not that its a competition, but I've got 4 siblings and she had an mc at 5 months(!!). She had me, the mc and my 2 older sisters within a period of 48 months. All with HG for the whole pregnancy. My parents were good catholics, thats the only explanation. My Dad used to play a game with us -What does the cow say? - Moo, what does the sheep say? - Baa, what does aunty cathy (his sister) say? - not again!

hey ladies, it's johnny! luce has been in bed these past 3 hrs! Sounds like some of you are still suffering and some are getting better. well all I can do is say good luck to all of you. you will all get there and you will all see your dreams achieved. yes i am a very excited dad to be and cant stop spending a fiver here and there on baby clothes!!!! bring it on! mary lou hope things are ok. as for my luce i am loving seeing her bump and every night when i go to bed i have to place my hand on luce's bump in case i feel anything... this morning im sure i felt our baby for the first time! wow! my little man is goin to be spoiled rotten! my mum and dad have always been there for me so im gonna pass that onto our little man. i couldnt care if he ends up straight, gay, man u fan or liverpool fan (that will surely not happen!!!!), hes gonna be a son to be proud of. all of you were an inspiration to me whilst my luce was REALLY ill with the HG so i owe you. as for me i just keep looking at luce's bump and she just keeps getting more beautiful every day. sure ive been bad and sure ive been good but no doubts luce is now about to give me the best present i could ever wish for. HG is soemthing you should all see as a challenge but a challenge to be overcome. im sure you all look beautiful (well not as beautiful as my luce) and your blokes are well proud of you. I hope to keep in touch with you again soon. look after yourselves :-) x

btw please no one mention the welsh rugby at the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! x

Marylou I've just read your post. What an awful tragedy for you and your brother's family. I am so sorry for your loss. xxxx

MaryLou That is a dreadful thing, poor poor you and family - what a horrible thing. I can only say I am sorry. I can imagine how you don't want to seem to demand attention, but it is especially hard on you as any stress seemes to make the sickness worse. It is brave of you trying to fight on and not draw attention to your condition, but don't for a second blame yourself if it gets worse and you collapse, it is certainly not your fault - who would choose to have Hyperemesis? It seems like carrying on with the nux vomica is a good idea if it does make a difference.

Sending you cyber hugs and loads of symapthy.
LucindaE
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hope you are ok marylou x

Marylou so very sorry for your tragic loss, my thoughts are with you and your family. I really hope HG stays at bay and you're not suffering too much. Take care

Marylou so sorry to hear your news, that is a tragic story and how difficult for you to feel you have to contain your sickness for other peoples sake! Hope you manage to find a way through this very rough patch.

MOH thats where I am now, on meds, no vomming but killer nausea. I am find it hard to think at the moment its so bad. I have my doctors words still ringing in my ears "none of these medications really work you know" and find I am liking him less and less. Especially after reading your links, thanks for posting them bye the way , they are so informative.

diege I dont not what to say, I cant fathom how anyone gets through this so many times. I think you deserve a medal or at the very least, beautiful babies that sleep all through the night

johnnyd hello, congrats on becoming a daddy soon.

Anyone got any tips for well meaning comments that actually make you want to vomit on the person who said it?

"well its a really good sign!" is starting to get right up my nose! Why cant I have a happy healthy pregnancy without all day all night all consuming sickness?

May you all have a restful day and not come into any obnoxious smells whatsoever! xxx

marylou so sorry to hear your news

marylou sending you and your family lots of love, and you extra non-sickness vibes.

i found that Phernagan was the only thing that worked, but it didnt take away the nausea completely, and made me sleep or be very spaced out (those are 3 days at work I don't remember!) The only thing that helped was sleeping, as everything was worse if I was even a little bit overtired. Now I can't believe I was so tired and slept so much! The tired thing is still an issue, I did too much Sunday and that night & Monday morning I was really sick.

I have been off the anti-sickness for 2 weeks now (yay) and not normally sick past 9am (note to self: do not brag to partner about not being sick that morning as you will have to stop to puke on the side of the A14). Have 20 week scan Monday and I am terrified. I am sure something has happened, I havent felt anything that really couldnt have been wind/constipation (oh and thats terrible! along with heartburn) and the better I get the more I think maybe something is wrong. Silly really as I havent really felt much connection to it, then I had weird dreams last night (one born every minute + call of duty = bizarre dreams!) and today was the first day I though of it as a real person. realisation dawns, starts to hyperventilate

mummyabroad I had a Tesco checkout lady tell me the same thing, that she wished she been so sick as it means hormones good and she had lack of hormones so lots of other problems in her pregnancies.......it was well meaning but having spent the trip to Tesco puking into a sick bag, I didn't appreciate my hormone levels at all!

"it will be worth it in the end" is normally met with a "really? a ruined vagina leaking nipples, a screaming, shitting child attached to my poor nipples every 2 hours and my pay dropping to SMP which a flea couldn't survive on.....i f***g hope it is!" :)

I keep feeling a lot of anger, like proper PMT hormones. I could actually kill my OH at the moment (he spent the day planting flowers, making herb boxes and cleaning patio as a surprise for me, so its only natural I want to murder him, right?!)

Love to all and sorry for my ranting/blethering xxx

So sorry to read your sad news marylou
mummyabroad same here with the continueing nausea mummyabroad. I had thought I was turning the corner with the cyclizine but have started being sick again (first thing and then 2/3 times from 5pm ish). I have a horrible scary feeling in he back of my mind that I've had the best from cyclizine, but am trying to remain positive.
I have to say that, when contemplating another HG pregnancy, I think what convinced me to try again was the thought that I had somehow not been prepared/strong enough and that next time the sickness would be manageable. With dd2 it was (I had what I'd class as 'normal' morning sickness with her - sick first thing then gradual imrpovement throguhout the day. Dd3 back proper HG though. Agree moh100 that gps care has been generally very poor; the worst being a midwife with dd1 who took one look at me and declared I looked ok and that she's seen 'a lot worse' . Very scientific her assessment then...I ended up on a drip 24 hrs later. Dd3 GP asked the usual 'have you tried ginger?? and then helpfully suggested gaviscon ...He did sign me off work though for which I will be forever grateful! Ds (dc 4) the worst (touch wood) - was prescribed stemitil after I produced handfuls of blood after a bad episode when midwife was with me at home during booking in appointment. Sadly that did nothing, but a case of viral meningitus at 13 weeks saw out the sickness. It was certainly a distraction .
Off to bed - a horrible early start tomorrow - these commutes are killing me. 7 weeks tomorrow, and thankfully my sickness does tone down after about 16 weeks, so for that I am eternally grateful. Love to all x

Diege, just to say that cyclizine did sod all for me, absolutely nothing.

I have a bottle of 100 (!!!) if anyone is after some though!

diege I feel your ginger anger. Having looked it up and found it has no anti nausea properties whatsoever but is instead designed to help restore my "ying and yang" - I have no faith whatsoever (apologies to anyone who is actually being helped by ginger! is there anyone?)

marylou thinking of you and your family. What an awful time. Stress and tiredness must be making the sickness that much worse as well. Hugs.

theonly - a touch of the pregnancy rage hitting you? Ride out the rage. Hope the scan is all a-ok.

mummy meds don't stop the nausea here either. it comes and goes now rather than everpresent but not a day without it.

Ginger - ahahahahahaha. On those HG t-shirts we should get printed on the back 'and, yes, I've tried ginger!'

Spring, spring, spring! I'm feeling slightly manic with excitement at the sunshine and warmth

Hope everyone else is ok...and can manage a smile if it's sunny where you are too.

Hello everyone Whizz has the brown discharge stopped? I think it is generally only a cause for worry when it turns a real red, but it is a nasty, anxious time for you. I think
Luce had a couple of brown spotting episodes, too? MaryLou how are you coping? Thinking of you.
Grumblin Awful that you are still suffering at twenty-eight weeks, re bump, so many women have small bumps and have hefty babies, as a veteran like you will know. Odd the way it varies with sufferers, doesn't La say hers is big? LA did you say you went back to the dreaded bile run, that is nasty...
Caramel I want to give you a cyber hug for being so brave for so long, and Grumblin too.
Diege Sorry that you have horrible persistent nausea and have to commute - commuting is bad enough when in full health.
NitNat Fresh mint tea any use these past couple of days? MummyAbroad sorry about nauseau too, oh, dear.I think StickHasGrownUp who was back on the old thread a year ago, if I am not mistaken, was helped by ginger tablets, swore by them, but she is the only person I ever heard of. Crystalized ginger, for instance, makes me want to puke without Hyperemesis...Barley sugar, oddly enough, did help me.
Cake How are you?
Ski How are things?
MO100 Posts good and informative as ever...
Johnny Nice you felt baby - I'm sure you will be a great Dad who brings your boy up to have respect for women.
anyone I have rudely overlooked best wishes...Fluffy and Grandma rubbed ears for the one, waves for the other...
LucindaE
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