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Wow; it's only circumcision..

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Chloejp91 · 29/12/2010 22:11

Before I get killed, I'm not suggesting it is only circumsion, that's just the title of this thread.

I'm due in less than 4 weeks and I'm having a boy. I'm definitely going to circumcise him. It's part of my culture and my partner's culture so it's going to be done. I just feel sad that it's seen as such a bad thing, where there are some benefits to it.

Anyone circumsised/circumsizing their sons?

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HouseOfBamboo · 04/01/2011 16:37

SVH78 - That 'sweeping statement' is taken from the very link you cited to support your arguments for circumcision having proven health benefits, ie:

patient.co.uk

My point was that the text on that page pretty much argues for the exact opposite, it it says there are no proven health benefits except where medically indicated.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:38

"men who have had it done to them are happy for it to be done to their sons - they are the best ones to be able to comment on whether it should or shoulnd't be done because they are the ones who have had the procedure."

how on earth does teh fact someone had something doen as an infant child with no recollection of the event best qualify them to recommend it for someone else?

if had a tattoo done would that make me qualified to recommend it as suitable for someone else? no it wouldn't.

the people best qualified to ascertain suitability are those who have studied the risks and benefits of the surgery.

a man with a circumcised penis is not qualified to recommend it for let alone force it upon someone else.

Imarriedafrog · 04/01/2011 16:38

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SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:40

My husband is Jewish and I am also from a culture which advocates circumcision so we have agreed to have our DS circumcised.

ladysoandso - I appreciate your point but firstly you would have no cause of action to bring a civil case against your parents i.e. to sue them and secondly, like I have said previously, it is a parenting decision that may well later be challenged by our DS and we will deal with that if it happens. The same could be said of many other parenting decision - part and parcel of being a parent is making decisions for your children which they may gorw up to disagree with, you can only do your best and what you think is right.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:41

and the sacrifice is a load of bull. it is no sacrifice of teh parents/fathers to cut off a part of a baby. the baby is the one losing something and enduring immense pain.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:45

I would be the first to bring a cause of action. Laws can be changed you know. I guess it would fall under child abuse. If there is NO medical reason and the parents aren't doing it for religious reasons then it is, quite simply, mutilation.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:46

Yes Iloveitwhenyoucallmeboo "the people best qualified to ascertain suitability are those who have studied the risks and benefits of the surgery" - presumably not you!

The AAP and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) do not endorse the procedure as a way to prevent any of the medical conditions mentioned previously. The AAP also does not find sufficient evidence to medically recommend circumcision or argue against it

The BMA itself states that the medical evidence about the impact of circumcision is equivocal.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:47

Looks like it's already happening in Australia..

www.cirp.org/news/perth1/

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:48

Iloveitwhenyoucallmeboo - luckily religious people will let God decide what is a 'load of bull' - and not you!!

ladysoandso - you would be the first would you?! Interesting how you know that!

It doesn't fall under child abuse as I have said previously - it is legal in the UK.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:49

"it is a parenting decision that may well later be challenged by our DS and we will deal with that if it happens. The same could be said of many other parenting decision - part and parcel of being a parent is making decisions for your children which they may gorw up to disagree with, you can only do your best and what you think is right."

this is NOT a parenting decision. a parenting decision is which school to send your child to, whether to intervene when they are stuggling to make friends, saving for their education, the best way to discipline bad behaviour.

this has nothing to do with parenting.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:51

and here is a story from 4 months ago about an 8 day old baby being circumcised in Miami without parents consent.

www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/15/1826768/moms-sues-hospital-over-babys.html

Imarriedafrog · 04/01/2011 16:51

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SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:52

ladysoandso - that article is about medical negligence - an entirely different issue.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:54

"presumably not you!"

now who is being presumptious?

"Iloveitwhenyoucallmeboo - luckily religious people will let God decide what is a 'load of bull' - and not you!!"

no, religious people and authorities don't have overall say on whether something is a load of shite or not. they have an opinion and that is all, the same as I do.

your justification that a man who was circumcised as an infant is happy for it to be done to his son is ridiculous. the lack of memory of teh pain does not mean the pain did not exist nor does it justify causing that pain. you seem to be avoiding this point.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:54

"you would be the first would you?! Interesting how you know that!"

what are you on about?

and like I said - it's legal now but laws change all the time and if i was a circumcised male I would try my damnedest to sue whoever had made the decision to remove the most sensitive and enjoyable part of my anatomy.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:54

ladysoandso - like I have said - I totally disagree with circumcision without parental consent.

Iloveitwhenyoucallmeboo - it is a parenting decision like whether to vaccinate e.g. MMR jabs and the debate about autism etc

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:56

I put the link up because a few posts ago I related a story that actually happened to someone I know 15 years ago and it is still happening now.

Stop bloody policing me.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:57

the MMR jab is not comparable to this. the 'health benefits' listed in favour of RIC can all be prevented with good hygiene an/or safe sex.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:57

I totally disagree with it WITH parental consent but if done for religious reasons I shall keep my gob shut. Difficult, but I will.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:59

ladysoandso - how on earth do you know that it is "the most sensitive and enjoyable part of (a man's) anatomy"?!? You could try to sue your parents but as the laws stand in this country you would fail.

I am not avoiding the point - many things cause pain and sometimes that pain is justifiable. If my DH tells me that he is happy that it was done to him and he can't remember the pain and it will be done with anasthetic in any event then I am happy with that.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 17:01

ladysoandso - I appreciate your comment, thank you. I know this is a very emotive issue but I strongly feel that people should be allowed to make decisions for their children based on religious/cultural beliefs within the law without being judged by others.

Tolalola · 04/01/2011 17:02

My DP is American and his mother got him circumcised when he was a baby. I think he quite regrets it and wishes she hadn't done it, although he has nothing to compare to, obv.

When I was pg with DS DP mentioned circumcision and my reaction was complete horror. As soon as DS was born DP said 'no way' as well. There's no way we could inflict pain on him for absolutely no reason. The idea's psychotic.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 17:02

ladysoandso - I appreciate your comment, thank you. I know this is a very emotive issue but I strongly feel that people should be allowed to make decisions for their children based on religious/cultural beliefs within the law without being judged by others.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 17:02

SVH78 - name me another bit that is more sensitive (wink)

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 17:03

Tolalola - are you calling your mother in law psychotic?!