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Wow; it's only circumcision..

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Chloejp91 · 29/12/2010 22:11

Before I get killed, I'm not suggesting it is only circumsion, that's just the title of this thread.

I'm due in less than 4 weeks and I'm having a boy. I'm definitely going to circumcise him. It's part of my culture and my partner's culture so it's going to be done. I just feel sad that it's seen as such a bad thing, where there are some benefits to it.

Anyone circumsised/circumsizing their sons?

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Imarriedafrog · 04/01/2011 15:51

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HouseOfBamboo · 04/01/2011 15:57

SVH78 - that patient.co.uk link doesn't really list any benefits. It details cases where it can be indicated medically (ie where it is done to treat an actual and existing problem). That is not the same as doing it as a preventative measure.

It also lists 'suggested benefits' and goes on to say that there is not actually much medical evidence for any of these.

It also states "However in the last 20 years it has become more controversial and more scrutinised because of the potential risks to the child's well-being. The American Academy of Pediatrics now advocates appropriate counselling and informed choice before circumcision is undertaken."

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 15:57

When a person has faith, he/she follows what is commanded in the holy book/laws and does not have to ask why. The reason is that it is what was ordered to be done and that is a good reason for people of faith. I don't expect you to accept that reason and nor do I need you to sanction it!

confuddledDOTcom · 04/01/2011 15:59

Why aren't I qualified to comment on RIC? The removal of a sex organ from a newborn baby without anaesthetic. One of the leading causes of infant death in the USA.

I probably know more about the difference in sex than you do.

It's already illegal in the UK, this is the first time a case has been tried.

Imarriedafrog it's asked as a sacrifice so obviously God knows it is useful. I find it insulting that people who offer a sacrifice to God defend it as something that's not important. Cain and Able anyone?

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:00

HouseOfBamboo - the paragraphs that you have cited are not attributed to any scientific research and are just sweeping statements.

Imarriedafrog · 04/01/2011 16:00

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SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:06

Imarriedafrog - I am glad that you find it interesting!

Confuddled - what research are you citing as it being one of the leading causes of death in the USA (I am not in the USA btw!)

It's not illegal in the UK - please provide the laws which state that it is.

I am certain that you don't know more about the difference in sex than I do!!

HouseOfBamboo · 04/01/2011 16:07

SVH78 - those little numbers in the paragraphs are exactly that, citations of scientific papers, and are listed at the bottom of the page.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:13

HouseofBamboo - the part that you have cited does not have any "little numbers in the paragraphs" (I think you mean footnotes btw)

confuddledDOTcom · 04/01/2011 16:16

I do a lot of reading on RIC in the USA, it's become a bit of rubber necking, I was determined not to because it's not an issue here but the more I read the more I have to. I'm trying to find the link for that one. Have you ever looked up how many RIC deaths there are there? One every three days.

It is illegal to cause a doctor to perform unnecessary surgery on a child. In the USA it is illegal because FGM is illegal and the constitution makes it illegal to make a law to protect one group of people (girls over boys in this case) so boys are automatically covered by that law.

So you've had a lot of sex with none Jewish men, then?

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:18

Like I said - it's not illegal in this country!

Yes I have had a lot of sex with non-Jewish men as a matter of fact!

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HouseOfBamboo · 04/01/2011 16:22

SVH78 - In that case I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the part that you have cited" Confused

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 04/01/2011 16:23

blind faith then SVH78?

i don't really understand your point about the circumcised men you know being happy about what was done to them. they were infants at the time so cannot remember the pain but does that make it ok to inflict the pain, a very real, severe pain to a baby just because it wont remember when it is an adult?

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:24

I'm not Jewish! There you go with the presumptions again!

In any event, even if I was, it would not be for you to judge me - especially not on a thread relating to circumcision.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:24

sorry I haven't read all the thread and this may have been mentioned. Foreskins are used in cosmetics and in medicine as breathable bandages. Best article ever is this one by Dr Paul Fleiss...

www.mothersagainstcirc.org/fleiss.html

It was this article and his work on the subject that made the AAP (American Association Paediatrics) change the advice they had been giving for decades about circumcising babies for health reasons.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:25

HouseofBamboo - the part that you have put in quotation marks i.e. have cited....

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:28

Also, a young neighbour of mine in NY had her baby in 1995. The baby was taken away at birth and brought back to her circumcised. She didn't know she had a choice. The operation was poorly carried out and the boy had a permanently disfigured penis.

HouseOfBamboo · 04/01/2011 16:29

"However in the last 20 years it has become more controversial and more scrutinised because of the potential risks to the child's well-being. The American Academy of Pediatrics now advocates appropriate counselling and informed choice before circumcision is undertaken."

Which bit is the sweeping statement? I am genuinely confused as to what you mean.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:29

Definitely not blind faith! As you will have seen, I'm not Jewish! I find it utterly ridiculous that you feel qualified to comment when you do not have personal experience to back up what you say.

My point is - men who have had it done to them are happy for it to be done to their sons - they are the best ones to be able to comment on whether it should or shoulnd't be done because they are the ones who have had the procedure.

It is a personal choice for parents to make which is within the laws of this country and it is not for everyone else to judge. I am sure that I wouldn't agree with all of your parenting choices.

SVH78 · 04/01/2011 16:31

ladysoandso - what is your point - that is not what we are discussing here. I agree that is totally unacceptable.

Houseofbamboo - the sweeping statement about potential risks to the child's well being without evidence of the risks.

ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:32

When I lived in the US I often asked why they were getting it done. The mum would nearly always say "to be like his daddy'. Not for religious reasons at all. If I was a bloke and had been circumcised for that reason I would sue my parents.

Imarriedafrog · 04/01/2011 16:35

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ladysoandso · 04/01/2011 16:35

SVH78 i read the first page of this thread. It seemed to be a general discussion about circumcision. I jumped in with out reading all. Anyone can join in at any point with an opinion/comment.

I don't care if my comment doesn't fit into a discussion that YOU may be having. My information might be interesting to someone else reading this thread.

And if you dont get my point then read the link I put up.