Wow; it's only circumcision..

[Chloejp91]

Before I get killed, I'm not suggesting it is only circumsion, that's just the title of this thread.

I'm due in less than 4 weeks and I'm having a boy. I'm definitely going to circumcise him. It's part of my culture and my partner's culture so it's going to be done. I just feel sad that it's seen as such a bad thing, where there are some benefits to it.

Anyone circumsised/circumsizing their sons?

Cometely agree. It was me that made the point about animals but agree with you that of someone did this to a child's fingernail it would be deemed as horrific abuse and social services would be involved. How can this be legal??

the whole thing is barbaric and it IS ABUSE!!!

those people who say they will have it done for religious or cultural reasons. have a really good think about why you are doing it. the medical reasons don't stack up at all. they can all be prevented by good hygiene and/or safe sex. so why are you really doing it? who are you doing it for? not your son because given a choice i know i would not ask to endure immense pain and suffering without anaesthetic on such a sensitive part of my body. so it must be to please other people so you don't get 'ridiculed' well i have news for you. your priority is to put your child first. stop bowing down to religious dictators that urge you to abuse your child. put your child first and bee a decent parent instead of an abuser.

Spannerpants

If that scenario had been where the Mother had chosen to do that to her child's finger, SS would have been called.

It just beggars belief that this "practice" is so socially acceptable. The reasons are just laughable really; cleaner, more visually appealing, to look like Daddy, better sex FFS

OP has actually admitted to having her eyes opened by the links posted on the thread so i can only see this thread as a good thing if it has made just one person re-think their plans to have it done.

The arguments just don't stand up, do they?

Make a comparison with hysterectomy where years ago the cervix was usually removed as part of the procedure - giving clear benefits in terms of reduced cancer risk. However, with a better understanding of sexual function and the role f the cervix during orgasm, it's now routinely left in place when possible unless the patient asks otherwise.

I've had sex with men with and without foreskins. Those with are just as clean as those without and have a fantastic extra bit to play with! Obviously the op's dh knows no different and enjoys sex so doesn't realise that he's missing out.

Chloe has shown herself to be open to the counter arguments and IMO has bravely shared her thought process. I really hope she makes the right decision and that her DH supports her.

Others on this thread, however, have been illogical in their argument, overly defensive and worryingly swayed by the 'culture' angle as a reason to harm their children

The worst thing is that a new baby's foreskin adheres to the penis. The thought of cutting it away without anaesthetic is unbelievably barbaric.

My younger son had problems with the oreskin failing to release and had to pull it back in the bath every day. The day it finally popped back he screamed and cried in agony. I think he was about 7 at the time. Imagine if it had been cut away

fortyplus i thought teh forskin wasn't supposed to be pulled back until it did so freely usually around teh onset of puberty. why did you think it a problem that your son's foreskin didn't pull back aged 7?

I am stunned the poor mights actually survive it tbh.

Reading through what they do and the kind of risks involved.

I'm disappointed that everyone is focusing on pain and appearances.

The penis is a SEX organ, and the foreskin includes over half his specialized pleasure-receptive nerve endings. It also protects the suppleness and sensitivity of the glans and it affords an exquisite frictionless rolling/gliding mode of stimulation.

Any mom who says a circumcised dad should decide is missing the chance to exploit her own knowledge for her son's benefit. An intact mom knows best how good the foreskin (prepuce) feels because she has one too - the clitoral hood IS the same prepuce as the male foreskin; they are indistinguishable in the womb until three months gestation.

Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body, HIS decision.

An interesting resource for those interested in the campaign against circumcision, plus a chance for those who have been moved by this thread to take action/donate.

www.norm-uk.org/index.html

Someone raised these points as "benefits" of circumcising:

• older men develop difficulties with their foreskins

So amputate valuable sexual parts when and if needed.

• older men develop cancer of the penis

This is a very rare, treatable cancer that also occurs in circumcised men. The main risk factors are smoking and poor hygeine.

• Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus

There is an HPV vaccine now. Infant circumcision is 27 times deadlier than the Gardasil vaccine per patient.

• Protection against HIV

Most of the US men who have died of AIDS were circumcised at birth. The US has 3 times the HIV incidence Europe has despite excellent education and a mostly-cut adult population (the infant circumcision rate has dropped to 33%). A 2009 Uganda study showed a 50% INCREASE in HIV risk to men's partners after circumcision.

• some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections.

Even if true, babies don't have sex.

• Lots of men, and their partners, prefer the appearance of their penis after circumcision

95% of the world's families don't circumcise. People may prefer what they're used to, but that was never reason enough to allow female gential cutting.

• Balanitis

Afflictions like meatal stenosis affect only circumcised males.

• Urinary tract infections

Girls get more UTI than any group of boys. We treat them with antibiotics, not amputation.

In short, NOT ONE national medical association on earth (not even Israel's) endorses routine circumcision. Many condemn it.

Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body, HIS decision.

I'm shocked at what people will do in the name of religion/tradition. Mutilate their own children....what shit parents.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo - the foreskin usually releases by the age of 3, apparently. Ds2 had an infection underneath it when he was about 5 and GP was concerned he might need circumcising so referred him to a consultant. The consultand said the foreskin was partially released and that ds2 should pull it back in the bath every day. We had follow up appts every 6 months or so and consultant said it was gradually freeing itself.

He did stress that it's most important that the foreskin should be free before the onset of puberty otherwise circumcision is necessary.

ah right, thanks for clarifying. i always thought it should be left alone unless there was any pain.

Oh yes - that's absolutely right. It can cause serious problems if it's forced back too early. I did suspect that something was wrong with ds2 as ds1 was gleefully twiddling and stretching his foreskin at about 3!

ds1 is 5 and i have never noticed him pulling his foreskin back in the bath or anything, but he hasn't complained of pain. should i be worried?

Fortyplus, I can't be sure of exact age but I'm pretty sure I was much older than three before my foreskin completely released itself. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say I was closer to seven or eight.

ILoveIt, your DS quite possibly hasn't even realised that his foreskin can be pulled back. Or, if he has tried it, it would be uncomfortable to do so at that age. Don't worry.

If it starts looking red and sore at the end, or it it balloons up when he's having a wee, that's the time to think about a trip to the GP.

thanks snorbs. i was worrying for a bit there. he definitely hasn't been complaining about it but at least i know to keep an eye out for it.

Snorbs - yes we were told 3 is usual but it's not a problem as long as it's before puberty

TLCTugger I actually did make the point about circumcision desensitising the penis in one of my earlier posts so I acknowledge how removing the fireskin greatly reduces a man's sexual pleasure.

And as for BabyNelly2010 saying

"My believe is that the son's penis should look like his father's, therefore if the father is circumcised the son should be to."

A statement so utterly moronic it beggars belief.

Quite simply people who perpetrate ritual child abuse on innocent children should be locked up and have the keys thrown away. Who gives a fuck about their religious/cultural beliefs? It's scandalous that they are allowed to get away with abusing children.

If a parent takes a child to A&E with so much as a potentially "suspect" bruise Social Services are sniffing around in a flash yet the unspeakable monstors who practice ritual genital mutilation are geting away with abusing children quite openly and unashamedly simply because no one wants to offend their delicate sensibilities and principles? What a crock of fucking shite.

As I said before, you can't dock a dog's tail and get away with it these days yet it appears if you can "justify" it on religious grounds you can quite brazenly lop off a part of a child's penis and throw a party afterwards with impunity.

There are things in the world which I hate. Not many. But this is top of my list.

I only ask any mother or father who is considering having this done to her child to watch the video on this thread with the sound on. Read the information that people on this thread have given their time to show them.

The facts from medical science.

The reality of what the word Circumcision is a cover for.

Take a look at the unhappy people thread.

And then tell me again.

Why , Why would you do this???

Oh and if anyone feels like bumping my thread Please feel free.

I am usualy a fairly happy-go-lucky person. But this thread has made me incredibly sad.

The baby in the video? His cries? They are for his mother to come and save him from the excruciating pain that he is in. But she didn't come.

As someone else said.

Thats a Fail, right there.