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Light drinking in pregnancy 'does not harm baby'

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Miffster · 06/10/2010 07:01

A good summary from CBC News: Light drinking no risk to babies: study

'The children of mothers who drank small amounts of alcohol during their pregnancy are not at an increased risk for behavioral or intellectual developmental problems, a new British study suggests.

In fact, the study, which appears in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, found that children born to light drinkers were 30 per cent less likely to have behavioural problems than children whose mothers did not drink during pregnancy.

As well, the study found that children of parents who were light drinkers achieved higher cognitive scores than those whose mothers had abstained from alcohol while pregnant.

The researchers used data from a study that tracked the health of more than 11,000 children in the U.K. born between September 2000 and January 2002. Mothers were asked questions about their children's behavioural and intellectual development at age three. They were subsequently assessed at the age of 5.

But the research found that the children of mothers who were heavy drinkers were more likely to be hyperactive, compared with children of mothers who did not drink.

The researchers interviewed the mothers about their drinking patterns during their pregnancy, along with other social and economic factors.

Mothers who consumed one or two drinks a week were considered light drinkers. Heavy drinkers were those who consumed seven or more drinks a week or six at one sitting'

Daily Fail: 'Glass of wine in pregnancy 'does not harm your baby'

BBC: 'Light drinking no risk to baby'

However...despite this study, the official advice remains the same, and in an update to the story, the Press association report

'Press Association: 'Pregnant women warned over alcohol'

'Women were advised that official guidance to avoid alcohol in pregnancy remained in place after experts said drinking one or two units a week does not harm a child's development.
Mothers-to-be can safely drink a 175ml glass of wine, a 50ml glass of spirits or just under a pint of beer each week without affecting intellectual or behavioural development, according to a new study.
But children born to mothers who drink heavily or binge drink (seven or more units a week or six at one sitting) are at higher risk of behavioural and emotional problems.
The finding adds to previous research which found light drinking has no negative effect on toddler development, and the issue of how much is safe to drink during pregnancy has caused controversy in recent years.
In 2007, the Department of Health published guidance saying pregnant women should avoid drinking alcohol altogether, as should those trying to conceive. This replaced previous guidance which said it was safe for pregnant women to drink one to two units of alcohol per week.
The Government said its update was not based on new research, but was to provide consistent advice to all women.
Following the latest study, in which experts examined the risk of drinking on children up to the age of five, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health said: "After assessing the available evidence, we cannot say with confidence that drinking during pregnancy is safe and will not harm your baby.
"Therefore, as a precautionary measure, our advice to pregnant women and women trying to conceive is to avoid alcohol."
Janet Fyle, professional policy advisor at the Royal College of Midwives, said she was concerned women may take the findings as a message that it is "ok" to drink alcohol.
"There is no firm evidence that small amounts of cumulative alcohol consumption does not have an effect on the developing foetus," she said. "Because of this our advice to women remains the same; if you are planning to become pregnant, or if you are pregnant, it is best to avoid drinking alcohol."'

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all4u · 08/10/2010 09:16

It's a personal decision; I abstained completely during my first pregnancy and had a tiny bit - but didn't really like the taste - during my second. My reasoning with this and other things was:
1.Alcohol is a poison therefore not good
2.Listen to what my body is saying
3.Undoubtedly some people are more susceptible than others and I do not know whether I am one of these or not - so play safe!

Hope this is a useful contribution!Smile

MyFourGirls · 08/10/2010 09:34

They seem to spend so much money on going over this research almost every year, and it always hits the headlines yet we all know that official guidelines will always tell us it's better to avoid alcohol during pregnancy and many of us will have the very occasional small glass of wine or half a guiness as a rare treat later in pregnancy...surely it boils down to common sense?

Why don't they spend these hundreds of thousands of pounds on research we reallyneed? I'm sure there's thousands of mums who would appreciate some extensive research done on epidurals and their effects on birth outcomes...or research into the pregnancies and births of those who have subsequently suffered PND in order to help reduce numbers of cases...or for my part, more research into multiple births and the real risks involved...

There is shockingly little data available to consultants and professionals in so many fundamental areas of maternal/obstetric care why do they fund the same research subject over and over again? Especially when at the end of the day it could have the potential save the NHS money in the long term in many areas of care...

Conundrumish · 08/10/2010 10:32

'But the research found that the children of mothers who were heavy drinkers were more likely to be hyperactive, compared with children of mothers who did not drink' - surely a mother who is daft enough to drink heavily at that time/ill-educated enough not to realise the repercussion/emotionally unstable to the extent of needing alcohol during is more likely to have children with behavioural problems anyhow, regardless of unit intake.

Chris59 · 08/10/2010 10:38

Common sense and moderation prevail - at last.
Before we were TOLD what to do all the time most people were able to use both of these.
I had the occassional drink during each of my 3 pregnancies with no ill effects. No one would advocate binge drinking of course or heavy drinking, but as we all know the occassional glass of wine is good for you - in more ways than one!

evs34 · 08/10/2010 11:42

just found my 18mth old sipping the dregs of last nights G&T!! oops.

evs34 · 08/10/2010 11:44

I am a medic and now pregnant with no 2. I will have the odd drink here and there if i fancy it. sometimes i just needs a G&T and the stress of not having one would probably be worse for the growing bud than just having a small one.

MedicalEd · 08/10/2010 11:46

Hi,
I'm a medical journalist not a doctor but I finally have a genuine reason to login to mumsnet now I am pregnant.
I'd urge anyone to read Nigel Hawkes' evaluation of this study on his site Straight Statistics before deciding whether to drink or not while pregnant.
This study was not clear cut and its findings have been somewhat misunderstood by much of the media.
www.straightstatistics.org/article/can-odd-glass-wine-help-unborn-baby

Basically it doesn't really add anything, when social factors were taken into account any link between alcohol consumption in pregnancy and cognitive difficulties in the child at age five, disappeared, no matter how much women drank.
That's why the official guidance doesn't change on the back of one or two studies.

Booboobedoo · 08/10/2010 14:42

Hi MedicalEd. I'd really like to read that article, but the link didn't work.

PrivetDancer · 08/10/2010 16:40

just take the space out of the middle of the link - www.straightstatistics.org/article/can-odd-glass-wine-help-unborn-baby

motheroftwoboys · 08/10/2010 16:53

Of COURSE it's ok within reason. I am 54 and my DSs are 20 and 18 and this it has only been relatively recently that people have been told they shouldn't drink anything at all. If it was so dangerous to have drunk a few glasses of wine a week then millions and millions of babies would have been affected. Back in the day we were actually encouraged to drink Guiness as it was "good for the baby". I couldn't bear the stuff so never did. Smile. It's is just common sense that heavy drinking is Not a Good Thing but please credit pregnant woman with some common sense.

Booboobedoo · 08/10/2010 17:00

Thanks Privet. Smile

How long have you got to go? Bearing up ok?

Three weeks for me.

PrivetDancer · 08/10/2010 17:09

6 weeks tomorrow.. I'm fine ta, just getting a little impatient :)
Hope you're doing ok too!

mixedmamameansbusiness · 08/10/2010 17:17

I think this is a personal choice thing. For me I abstain completely but mostly because the oppotunities do not really arise. I only drink when I go out an when pregnant rarely feel like going out so for me no, but I have no issue with women who have the odd glass of wine etc.

Not sure what I make of the research but I will continue to abstain.

MedicalEd · 08/10/2010 18:05

This whole area is really difficult to research because you can't ask some pregnant women to drink a little bit and others not to to judge how their kids turn out. And even if you could, you'd have to do a huge trial to work out subtle effects on the children like slightly impaired IQ ect.
Animal studies are another way to test it but again not ideal.
But how can you ever tell how intelligent your child would be if you hadn't drunk.
I'm not sure about the arguement that our mothers drank and we turned out ok or doctors used to think Guinness was good for the baby, because doctors also used to think smoking was good for us.

keepmumshesnotsodumb · 08/10/2010 18:14

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MrsC2010 · 08/10/2010 20:53

I had a half glass of bucks fizz at about 8 wks (Christmas and we told my parents), then I would have the odd cm of wine when I got to around 30 wks. I am all for everything in moderation and think the latest info sounds sensible, but I wasn't up for drinking. I'm not a big drinker anyway.

DD is now 8 wks and amazingly perfect, I'm BF-ing now so still not drinking, bar a cm of wine on a Friday night when she's gone down for a few hours!

Lynli · 09/10/2010 22:51

It is amazing what people can justify.

You don't know it is definitely safe to drink.

You do know it is definitely safe not too.

In the same way people can lie to themselves about how safe it is, they can also delude them selves about how much they have had.

Yes lots of people drink alot before they know they are pregnant, I have seen them at GOSH.

Just because some people gambled and won, it not a reason for everyone to think it is safe.

fillybuster · 10/10/2010 20:33

Was very grateful for a sporadic unit or two during my last pg, especially in the later months after a hard day in the office, a long commute and putting the older 2 dcs to bed! Grin Was even more grateful to have a GP who made it clear she thought that the occasional glass of wine when pg was no bad thing.

Oddly, I couldn't bear the taste of white wine (am normally a Sauv Blanc drinker) - it all just seemed totally acid - but got quite into reds.

Am also drinking (in the evenings, and not heavily) whilst bfing.

FWIW, dc3 was 9lbs 3oz, and a week late.

I think you have to strike a balance between what's right for you, as the mother, and for the baby. And not legislate for anyone else....

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