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Light drinking in pregnancy 'does not harm baby'

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Miffster · 06/10/2010 07:01

A good summary from CBC News: Light drinking no risk to babies: study

'The children of mothers who drank small amounts of alcohol during their pregnancy are not at an increased risk for behavioral or intellectual developmental problems, a new British study suggests.

In fact, the study, which appears in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, found that children born to light drinkers were 30 per cent less likely to have behavioural problems than children whose mothers did not drink during pregnancy.

As well, the study found that children of parents who were light drinkers achieved higher cognitive scores than those whose mothers had abstained from alcohol while pregnant.

The researchers used data from a study that tracked the health of more than 11,000 children in the U.K. born between September 2000 and January 2002. Mothers were asked questions about their children's behavioural and intellectual development at age three. They were subsequently assessed at the age of 5.

But the research found that the children of mothers who were heavy drinkers were more likely to be hyperactive, compared with children of mothers who did not drink.

The researchers interviewed the mothers about their drinking patterns during their pregnancy, along with other social and economic factors.

Mothers who consumed one or two drinks a week were considered light drinkers. Heavy drinkers were those who consumed seven or more drinks a week or six at one sitting'

Daily Fail: 'Glass of wine in pregnancy 'does not harm your baby'

BBC: 'Light drinking no risk to baby'

However...despite this study, the official advice remains the same, and in an update to the story, the Press association report

'Press Association: 'Pregnant women warned over alcohol'

'Women were advised that official guidance to avoid alcohol in pregnancy remained in place after experts said drinking one or two units a week does not harm a child's development.
Mothers-to-be can safely drink a 175ml glass of wine, a 50ml glass of spirits or just under a pint of beer each week without affecting intellectual or behavioural development, according to a new study.
But children born to mothers who drink heavily or binge drink (seven or more units a week or six at one sitting) are at higher risk of behavioural and emotional problems.
The finding adds to previous research which found light drinking has no negative effect on toddler development, and the issue of how much is safe to drink during pregnancy has caused controversy in recent years.
In 2007, the Department of Health published guidance saying pregnant women should avoid drinking alcohol altogether, as should those trying to conceive. This replaced previous guidance which said it was safe for pregnant women to drink one to two units of alcohol per week.
The Government said its update was not based on new research, but was to provide consistent advice to all women.
Following the latest study, in which experts examined the risk of drinking on children up to the age of five, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health said: "After assessing the available evidence, we cannot say with confidence that drinking during pregnancy is safe and will not harm your baby.
"Therefore, as a precautionary measure, our advice to pregnant women and women trying to conceive is to avoid alcohol."
Janet Fyle, professional policy advisor at the Royal College of Midwives, said she was concerned women may take the findings as a message that it is "ok" to drink alcohol.
"There is no firm evidence that small amounts of cumulative alcohol consumption does not have an effect on the developing foetus," she said. "Because of this our advice to women remains the same; if you are planning to become pregnant, or if you are pregnant, it is best to avoid drinking alcohol."'

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ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 06/10/2010 19:37

However, higher (caffeinated) coffee consumption is linked to a lower rate of developing Parkinson's Disease. Which, as a person with early-onset Parkinson's in my family history (and the mother of three children with early-onset Parkinson's on both sides of their family history) leads me not to go on too much of a "whoa, caffeine is a baaaaaad evil toxin" kick, at least unless and until I know whether any or all of us carry the GRIN2A gene.

As it happens, I go off coffee in pregnancy anyway. But I do drink tea, sometimes and in moderation. And I have never seen any studies from anywhere that suggest that the caffeine equivalent of one cup of tea a day (and I doubt I drink that much) has any harmful effects.

PrivetDancer · 06/10/2010 20:38

Thanks, Writer. Seems a bit harsh on the tee-totallers though Wink
I guess another reason could be that this study must be based on what people say they drank, rather than what they really did drink. So someone in a study on drinking when pg with a child with issues might feel a bit guilty and embarrassed when faced with such a study and say they had nothing whether they did or not.

takethatlady · 07/10/2010 08:05

Hi writerofdreams I haven't read this whole thread but I just wanted to add to what you said - I heard one of the scientists who conducted this research on Radio 4 and she said it wasn't directly linked to more social advantage in the way you suggest. I'm deeply sceptical about the claim that those with scientific training are more intelligent than those without (these findings are broadly consonant with what has already been known and they're not difficult to understand or interpret) and find it a little simplistic to say that this would account for the social and educational background of the mothers who drank in small quantities. It could be that middle class mothers drank in smaller quantities but I doubt it had to do with greater ability to interpret what is easy to interpret with any basic education.

I also doubt, based on what the scientist said, that it is even as simplistic as social advantage = drinking 1-2 units a week in pregnancy. I think it is likely that there were a range of complex explanations for the finding and that they are reluctant, without further research, to make any broad extrapolations about it. It may be coincidental not only with social background but with the age of the mother, with whether or not the mother smokes, with stress, with the mother's health, with individual circumstances, with psychological differences which may have little to do with social or economic background - any or all of these in combination. Considering that this research was not focusing directly on this, I think it is just sensible and pragmatic science not to draw any quick or simplistic conclusions about what may be responsible for the behavioural differences in these children.

And I only have GCSEs in science! Wink

paranoid2 · 07/10/2010 11:55

There isn?t anything in the article from what I have seen (and I downloaded it) to give information on the development of children of mothers who drank moderately , ie 3 to 7 units a week . Its no great surprise that the children of those that only drank a couple of units a week were not impacted and no surprise that the children of those who drank more than 7 units a week were more at risk of developing problems especially as there was no distinction between those that drank 8 units and those that drank a bottle of vodka a day.

I think most people would be interested to know what the risks are of drinking more than 1 or 2 units a week but less than maybe 7 a week, ie to know why 1 to 2 units a week is ok . If 1 unit is ok in 1 day why is 1 unit not ok every day . Wheres the evidence to say its not. I think because there isn?t any really . We all know drinking excessively is bad but I think little evidence is there to support the claim that drinking moderately is dangerous

Quenelle · 07/10/2010 13:11

I drank the odd small glass of wine or half of bitter after about six months. Had to stop at 7 months though due to cluster headache, alcohol brings on attacks and I couldn't take the meds while pregnant.

My friend was told to drink Guinness by her GP. That was about 20 years ago though.

jennymac · 07/10/2010 13:24

I always allowed myself a small glass of wine on a Friday and Saturday night and had two perfectly heatlhy kids. Would do same if pregnant again.

Mibby · 07/10/2010 13:29

paranoid2 Theres little evidence for 1 unit/ 2 units/ 3 units daily/ every other day/ weekly for two reasons.
One peoples bodies process alcohol differently so the other factors of liver function, body fat ratio etc aren't comparable between person a and person b and secondly are you seriously suggesting any research would be funded if the aim was 'to find out the level of alcohol consumption which causes birth defects in pregnant humans'? Can you really imagine any mums to be signing up for the study and then finding out they were in the 2 or 3 units daily for 9 months group? These are peoples children we're talking about, the parents and kids 'used' in any study like that would have to live with whatever the effects were forever.

paranoid2 · 07/10/2010 14:00

I was querying the fact that limits are decided on without any substantial evidence to back them up. Why say "you shouldnt drink at all but if you do only drink X amount" when there doesnt seem to be anything to back this up

Somebody earlier in the thread said that the actual extract contained information on the impact that moderate drinking had and I couldnt see this when i read it. I was pointing this out

porcamiseria · 07/10/2010 14:14

here we go!

I had a glass of wine most days in both my pregnancies, both babies were bouncing and happy

each to their own, but I felt fine doing it

WitchyWooWoo · 07/10/2010 14:15

im 22 weeks pregnant and havent had any alcohol (bar one sip of red wine and alcohol in cooking) however im planning on having a small glass every so often (prob once a week) during the festive season.. i don't believe at all that will do any harm, i dont drink hot drinks (ginger tea is my only steamy cuppa) and hardly touch chocolate. doctors have said for years that 1-2 units occasionally poses no risk, and i suppose its everything in moderation really. i wouldn't do anything to cause risk to my unborn child, and i don't see a small glass occasionally doing -any- harm whatsoever

(haven't read the articles but read thread with interest)

seashore · 07/10/2010 14:42

I gave up alcohol after my 2 pregnancies and lengthy stints bfing, just lost interest in it completely, it doesn't seem hard to not drink for 9 mths, common sense would say it's obviously better for baby not to drink,although there's always studies leaning back and forth on the issue.

Diamondback · 07/10/2010 15:20

no-one's batted an eyelid at me having the odd half of lager or a small glass of champagne since I've been pregnant - but everyone tells me off for eating mayonnaise! Gaah!

(PS, before anyone says anything, supermarket mayonnaise is made with pasteurised eggs and totally safe - you're only supposed to avoid fresh mayonnaise made with fresh, possibly unpasteurised eggs. And you can eat deep fried camembert! And well cooked prawns!)

SolidGoldBrass · 07/10/2010 15:43

Oh FFS. All the crap about what should or should not be eaten/drunk during pregnancy has very little to do with public health, or risks to foetuses. It's all about controlling women and rubbing in the message that they are not 'people', that they are stupid and irresponsible and have to be told what to do all the time.

canella · 07/10/2010 15:47

i agree seashore - i never really understand why people are desperate for evidence to say its ok to drink alcohol when pregnant - why can you not just go without for 9 months?

I really like a glass or 2 (or 3) of wine when I'm not pregnant but just couldnt bring myself to drink it when pregnant knowing that some of that alcohol was going directly to my baby. Yes this study shows that there may be no long term effects to having 1 - 2 units per week but that alcohol is still reaching the baby. As moonstorm said earlier in the thread - you wouldnt give alcohol to children so why give them it when they are inside you?

Katey1010 · 07/10/2010 16:06

I'm more than seven months now and have had about 4 drinks (maybe 6 units) through the pregnancy, spaced out so no more than one unit at a time. I also work with a lot of "impacted" children and their Mums. All of them were drinking VERY heavily (and I've worked in rehabs and dry houses, I know heavy when I see it). They were variously not taking vitamins, not eating properly, not sleeping (or sleeping outside), taking other drugs, smoking, getting hit by partners, prostituting, stressed, mentally ill, guilty, sad, etc. etc. They are exactly the people who are not going to adhere to a no drinking advert or advice and need in-patient long-term care. They would not know/be in denial about units, moderation or have access to research. People who can read and follow guidelines and can critically think about them can work out that 1-2 units of alcohol or one cup of tea will not seriously impact their child (or impact at all).

I live in North America and women here are even less empowered during pregnancy to make their own decisions. I keep hearing "there is no research so don't do x" or "better safe than sorry". It is sad that people here can't eat vegetables and exercise to protect their own health but will judge me if I eat ham (deli meats are on the no list). I enjoy winding people up and drink non-alcoholic Becks in public which looks just like real Becks. you should see the sour faces!

ledkr · 07/10/2010 16:20

Am i the only one who cant see much point in "one unit of alcohol" much prefer 3 or 4 so tend not to bother but will make up for it afterwards Grin

KittyFoyle · 07/10/2010 16:23

I have friends in France and Spain who think the no drinking at all thing is most peculiar. The national attitude to wine, at least, tends to be more balanced anyway though.

comtessa · 07/10/2010 16:43

I'm with ledkr. I'd rather share a bottle with DH that pour myself one tiny glass. It's more about the sociable side of things. I'll stick to my blue Becks and mineral water with dash of white wine for now, sigh.

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 07/10/2010 16:58

People aren't "desperate for evidence to say its ok to drink alcohol when pregnant". People think that if they are going to be told not to do something that they normally do while they are pregnant then there ought to be a good reason for it. There is a big enough list of things that there is evidence in favour of avoiding; I could turn your question round and ask why people are "desperate" to add more things to this list without there being any evidence to support it.

1Catherine1 · 07/10/2010 17:18

I haven't drunk any alcohol since my student days 5 years ago when I had a major revaluation - it tastes horrible. My impression of the research seems to suggest that drinking a little is actually good for your baby. I don't believe it and will not be guilted into feeling like a bad mother if I don't touch a drop.

prettybird · 07/10/2010 17:20

I wouldn't feed a baby salt - that doesn't mean to say I did't put salt on my food while I was pregnant.

It is a falacious argument to say becasue you wouldn't want a baby to have alcohol, you mustn't then drink it yourself.

ChoChoSan · 07/10/2010 17:25

God, I would love some evidence that it's okay to swill half a bottle of wine a night when pregnant, I really miss it, but sadly I'm not going to find it Grin! Ah well, I will have to look forward to my meagre portions on the weekend and think of the money I will save.

As you can imagine I am greatly looking forward to getting into the drinking whilst breastfeeding debate that I can see hoving into view once the baby is born...any tips there?

wouldliketoknow · 07/10/2010 18:50

i would be too paranoid to drink, it's not worth the risk, i would blame myself forever if something happened to the baby, don't believe at all is good for the baby,...

(right, bracing for the flammng...)

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 07/10/2010 19:12

If you want to believe that drinking at all is bad for the baby, go right ahead. Just as if you want to believe that walking under a ladder, breaking a mirror or having the pram in the house before the birth is bad for the baby, go right ahead. So long as you don't pull cats-bum-faces or interfere with women who have based their decisions on the evidence rather than on your random beliefs, everyone can rub along together just fine.

Booboobedoo · 07/10/2010 20:15

I too thought 'old news' when I read about this article.

I understand the governments reasons for giving the advice they do, but have always ignored it and read the up-to-date research (such as it is) instead.

I agree with everything ProfLayton has said on this thread, although I do find the cats-bum-face amusing in general.

My heartburn is keeping me alcohol free now, otherwise I'd be having my Friday night tipple.