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CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 04/07/2010 22:19

Welcome weary travellers. It's been a long road, but you made it! Now, hard as it might be, leave your ESH spawn at the creche and step into the spa - where we have every treatment available to soothe your Amityville Horror undercarriage, ravaged raspberries and worn out wits. And - wait for it - we've got the bar back. And it's all-inclusive

So, what are you waiting for? Grab a glass, lower yourself into the jacuzzi and lets get chatting. We are Forever ESH!

P.S Children never cry here...

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cheggers · 13/07/2010 03:55

arr girls - just propping by to spread some middle of the night FESH love around.

just hit the 3 month mark here and things do get easier! i mean i haven't even screatched "fuck this for a laugh - they're having formula" for ages now

cunty - where have you got your 'feeding station' set up? you got enough entertainment on the go to avoid the boredom? i just gave in to the feeding at the beginning and ploughed through a couple of seasons of lost and the final prison break to keep me entertained.

the girls are cool and i adore them - but there's only so much in wonderment baby gazing one can do.

did you get a baby monitor in the end ski? useful things for sending requests to your fella - especially since he's knocking about for a while.

anyway spose i should be sleeping really, but hope things get better for everyone.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 13/07/2010 06:20

Fucking cocksmokers!

As if I didn't have enough to be worrying about - I seem to have developed a leaky seroma under my incision. I was finally getting some skin-skin last night when I thought my boobs were leaking... but nope, sticky fluid absolutely pissing from my incision - like a small hose. I had a panic and phoned the hospital (second time within a week yay!) who said it was normal. But I'd been stood naked in the bath with a stream of fluid. Bah, 'tis not even the first time for me, after TT I developed ones as big as a litre which required draining by syringe as they couldn't break the skin. Farty bumpants. So let's see how immobile I can remain today.

cheggers No monitor and nerves are frayed. He offered to help at 4am and I said I don't really need help, but I do need you to set up my feeding station so I've got everything to hand. He'd fallen asleep before Bear was even latched on so I sat here cold, thirsty and hungry for 2 hours. I eventually called to wake him to pick up the baby so I could check the leaking and he snapped that he was tired and has now moved from couch to bed.

Yeh I'm tired too, and I'm bf'ing, leaking, recovering and providing the brains to the operation... but it gets better in 3 months you say?

Cosmosis · 13/07/2010 10:38

drops in leaving some large G&Ts and snacky foods to pick at whilst you feed.

much love all

Backinthebox · 13/07/2010 10:56

Don't even start to feed without laptop (complete with charging cable! Nothing worse than being pinned to the sofa with a dead battery.) Also TV remote very essential, and frequent top-ups of cups of tea. Take a large bottle of water or squash to bed with you - I felt parched during the night when I was feeding DD.

Hope everyone gets to grips with everything soon. Ski sounds like you need a bit of medical advice with your weeping. Rots glad you are back with us! Peshy love to all! (said in a loud schoolmarm-y kind of way, not a mushy way!)

CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 13/07/2010 11:32
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FannyPriceless · 13/07/2010 11:57

So I came on here to do a Moaning Minnie but I see you all got here first with that. Why are we all so grizzly and finding it tough? At least it has cooled down a little now, thank gawd.

I have horrendous back/shoulder tension despite trying to always support myself well and get a good BF position. But it's just not possible when I'm leaning over bracing myself for that latch.

Plus the bloody bleeding has started up again. After five days of spotless pads I finally thought I'd risk no knickers in bed last night - mistake! What I don't get is, the surgeon said 'make sure you get lots of air to the wound' - but how if 5 weeks later I still have to wear maxi-pads and giant knickers 24/7?

On the plus side, the BF is now going OK after the first minute or two. I am now shamelessly indulging in an entertainment fest while BF. Like box and caspy's advice, I am trying to set myself up with entertainment to hand - magazine, laptop, phone, crossword, TV remotes, etc. I find it really helps if I can get myself absorbed in something to the point where I almost forget I'm BF. I seriously believe it helps me to be relaxed, rather than focussing 100% on t'babe. Except the last couple of days with the back problems I've found NAKing too hard to coordinate. Reruns of Midsommer Murders are doing the trick. (How does Joyce Barnaby manage to get herself tangled up in so many murders?)

HV said something interesting the other day which I am now applying to other things. She said 'you need your sleep more than he does.' Interesting... it has made me think I can justify putting off his needs a tiny bit in order to look after myself. e.g. yes, I know he's screaming for a feed but an extra two minutes while I fetch my water jug / make a sandwich is not going to harm him and means I can be relaxed, happy and sustained in order to better provide what he needs. I hope this is logical - basically what I mean is I'm trying to look after myself so that I can better look after him and hopefully keep BF.

...or am I just a heartless evil selfish hag?

SomethingSuitablyWitty · 13/07/2010 14:16

Fanny, you mean a Hesh?

boom boom.

So here you all are! Holed up in the spa and back on the booze, ha?! Fine for some! Actually, you are all amazing and brave and I have really enjoyed your thread so far, so:

I can't believe all that's happened while I've been on me travels! Amazing transitions from pesh to fesh and some heroic work in bringing the peshlets into the world and keeping them nourished ever since. It's true that some of your tales are a bit heartstopping (blood clots the size of a pound of butter, oh dear God) but actually I feel a bit more grounded now in relation to what lies ahead!

Your babies are all just so beautiful by the way (well, you knew that). I have been bowled over by the perfect pictures on Visage Livre. Fine work peshes!

Ski, the weather has eased off here, though the office is still something of a sauna. There were still fans to be had in Blokker here yesterday, though sold out everywhere else. I purchased one and it has been great. Poor you struggling with skin to skin in that dreadful heat. Hope it has improved there too.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 13/07/2010 15:59

fanny I usually do let him scream for a couple of minutes whilst I get myself sorted out, which is why I was so fucking furious with jailbait this morning. I wanted to "issue orders", you know "fetch laptop", "fetch drink", "fetch weetabix", "telly on, remote here please" and the fucker went to sleep. I suppose really, rather than being a martyr I could've put Bear down and got it sorted myself, but I was a little scared that walking around would cause some part of my body to spontaneously erupt in a Katla style fountain of blood.

switty Sorry, x posts with PESH. It's below 30 here today - woohoo! I've been looking at renting an airco unit if it gets bad again.

CUNextTuesday · 13/07/2010 17:23

What happens when I 'forget' I'm BFing is that Rastus goes to sleep and then it takes twice as long. I can be sat there for an hour and know that even when he breaks off he won't have had enough cos he's been zedding most of the time. I need to keep concentrating to keep waking him up, otherwise he would literally be feeding all day and night - by the time he unlatches he's hungry again cos he's not eaten anything. Soul destroying. That plus cluster feeding during the evening (choice between that and incessant crying) leaves me a total husk by about 10pm. I couldn't even express any milk last night, I was drained dry . Going to be contacting the cranial osteopath tomorrow to see if we can sort something out...

Hope you are getting medical attention sorted out ski, don't let it fester.

FannyPriceless · 13/07/2010 17:48

cunty I do sympathise as my girl was just like that - how soon we forget. I therefore need to kick myself as a reminder of how lucky I am that the boy is such an active feeder.

ski really sorry about your tummy. Has Jailbait reforned his behaviour? If not I've a giant Swiss cowbell I can lend you for when he needs to be summoned to your aid.

organiccarrotcake · 13/07/2010 18:50

Hmm.

Firstly "Visage Livre" . I did like that. Very Witty, Witty

Anyway, back to the moaning.

It is very troo that it does get better - I remember that well with LC. In fact, Comma is much easier (so far) than LC and LC was an angel baybee. He sleeps almost all the time and when he's awake he just looks around and takes in the world. He only cries if I'm not quite quick enough with the boob and even then he gives me plenty of notice. I'm getting a reasonable amount of sleep at night as he's sleeping nicely - waking for 1 or 2 feeds - and going back to sleep.

Sounds like I have it much easier than everyone so I feel really guilty now!

My problem has been a combination of anaemia and hormones I think. The anaemia is making me absolutely, utterly wiped and with the hormone surges, a mess. Yesterday's enforced rest in the pital seems to have improved things and I've taken it easy today - and even asked YOB to bath and bed LC (which he does half the time anyway but I specifically asked him to do it) and do dinner so I can do nothing. Takes a lot for me to ask for help and I'm quite proud of myself for it.

Thanks for the kickings/lovings everyone

cunty I'm so pleased you're seeing the CO. I can't believe that Rastus has come through your 6 hour ordeal completely unscathed in that department. So many babies with a totally straightforward delivery need CO just because of being squashed out or even just being curled up in one place before they were born, so being bounced and squished against the cervix like he was is almost certain to have caused him to not be completely in alignment. I am absolutely sure that the CO will help him - and you - hugely. I was thinking of getting Comma to one because although I had an incredibly lucky smooth delivery, he had the week of bouncing with no waters to support him. Even though he's showing no symptoms I feel it won't do any harm.

Incidentally, I have a lovely stretchy swaddling blanket which has velcro on to totally firmly hold it in place. I can wrap him in it like a straightjacket with his arms completely trapped and it makes latching MUCH easier without the flailing arms. Just a suggestion?

ski I just read your message - thank you Would have loved to have chatted today. Will try to catch up tomorrow.

organiccarrotcake · 13/07/2010 20:04

Comma?s birth story

So as you know, my waters broke on the Wednesday night/Thursday morning. Eventually on Monday morning I woke at about 4am feeling the odd contraction but nothing really convincing. I started to time them just in case but there was no real regularity so I tried to go back to sleep (without too much success). I really wanted to wake YOB but didn?t want to disturb his sleep! Anyway, when he woke up at about 7ish I told him that I?d been feeling stuff but it wasn?t regular.

We just had a normal morning and I kept an eye on timings, vaguely. About mid morning I was getting a mild contraction about every 15 minutes and then every fourth one was a bit stronger. Unfortunately in between I was getting what felt like period pain which was really wearing and annoying as the pain ?should? stop between the contractions.
Suddenly, at about 11.30, they went to about every 7 minutes and strong enough for me to have to concentrate on breathing through them a bit, and stand and swing my hips. I was suddenly concerned that things would kick off quickly so I phoned the labour ward and said we were coming in (and booked the pool) and we got stuff together and headed off. Before we did YOB put on the TENS machine which was an amazing relief as it took away the between contraction discomfort completely, and made the contractions much easier to deal with.

When we arrived at the hospital they went back to every 10 minutes or so and the MW wasn?t at all sure that I was really labouring properly (obviously this would still be classed as pre-labour). I?d asked mum to come in and she was asking why I?d come in so early but I just knew that it was the right thing to do. After an hour or so things started to go back to being regular and every 5-7 minutes and this is totally normal for things to slow down when transferring, so I reckon if I?d stayed at home it would have been moving on faster and the transfer would have been horrible.
The MW went through our birth plan and said it was all ok, but she asked to get the CFM on for 20 minutes just to get a baseline reading, and I agreed to this. It Was Horrible. Even though the cables were quite long I couldn?t really move without it messing up the readings and I was so uncomfortable and found handling the contractions really hard. I ended up on all fours which was the best way to cope but desperately wanted it off me. I couldn?t have coped with it through labour (as I had to with LC) ? it really interfered with my pain control.

I found that leaning over the bed and doing a John Wayne impression with my legs (obviously my body telling me to open up) was the most comfortable way of contracting. But mum made me go on a walk through the hospital (active labour and all that!) which was REALLY hard work. I was contracting every 2-3 minutes or so (the walking really kicked it off) and I had to lean over something and breathe really deeply through it. I was getting a bit grumpy apparently and not liking my mum for making me walk . It?s all very well saying to keep active in labour as it keeps things going, but keeping things going means more pain! Obviously it?s the right thing to do but it was hard.

The TENS machine was brilliant. It really takes the top off the contractions and makes them much more bearable. Because I?d tried G&A with LC and I knew it didn?t agree with me, that wasn?t an option so unless I went for the proper stuff I knew I had to be mentally prepared for no drugs ? and I was always worried that Pethadine would be like the G&A but worse ? taking me totally out of control ? and also of course I worried about the effects on the baby.

At about 4pm (not sure exactly on timing) we got back to the labour ward and I refused to leave it again! I was fed some biscuits and we walked around the ward a couple of times, listening to a woman in the throes of mooing which actually didn?t phase me at all, but as I lent over the MW?s desk to get through a cx I suddenly found that the biscuits didn?t agree with me and threw up quite a lot which was nice. I did manage to warn them so bowls were supplied, but I felt really bad doing so at someone?s desk! The MW there (not mine) basically ignored me and my apologising although after the 50th apology she looked at me and said, ?It?s a labour ward. It?s fine?! Clearly not something she?d not experienced before!
I then decided that I really wanted to get into the water. I?d been asking for it for a while but they didn?t think I was progressed enough, and as I?d requested no VE they couldn?t confirm. However I really felt that I was very actively labouring, but as I was not screaming they thought I wasn?t! I have to say that I was cursing Grantly Dick-Read and his ?if you relax it won?t hurt? crap, but then I tried thinking about it a bit more and trying to work it out. It turned out that if I absolutely forced myself to relax (contrary as that sounds) at each cx, and visualising myself opening up and allowing the baby to slowly slip out, it actually did make the cx less painful by a long way, so I really think there?s a lot in it.

So they said the water was ready, and I remember going into the pool room and stripping right off, but then wanting to put my swimming top on which I?d brought for some slight bit of coverage. I stood by the side of the pool, looking into the water and just feeling it was right and desperate to jump in! We had to take the TENS off but I was terrified of having a cx without it so after I had one I asked YOB to take it off as fast as possible (I remember begging him to yank it off, despite the really sticky pads being very firmly attached) and I got into the pool and it felt amazing. I told the MW I?d gone back 4 hours by which I meant pain level, but she thought I meant in the labour and she started talking about induction if things weren?t progressing in another few hours ? which totally confused me but I just nodded and smiled, thinking there?s no way I?m going to be induced ? this baby will be born soon!

I don?t remember much for a while. YOB adjusted the water level so I could lean against the side how I wanted to without drowning (always a bonus) and I concentrated on breathing through the cx. Mum coached me on the breathing (REALLY deep as far as I could breathe in and really slow out completely). YOB just stroked my arm (for hours) which felt absolutely wonderful ? like I had a connection with him and he was just there, without getting in the way of my concentration. At some point I threw up again but was able to get to the side and warn them again, fortunately, and very soon after that I really felt that I couldn?t cope anymore and it was all too much and I wanted to go home, etc? I realised that I was in transition but as I didn?t mention it to anyone they didn?t realise! I felt him coming down through inside me which was odd, and I DID say this (I said something like this baby?s coming) and the MW asked if I had a lot of pressure on my back passage and I said no. She?d thought I meant that he was actually just ready to be born (which as they didn?t know I?d gone through transition must have been a surprise) but I was just trying to say he was on the move ? it all got very confusing.

I?d had one lot of IV antibiotics but needed another before he was delivered, so after the MW decided he wasn?t going to be born imminently that was left a bit, which was a mistake! Soon after that I started to feel the cx getting a ?bit pushy? but, remembering what happened to poor cunty and also remembering a warning in a Sheila Kitzinger book about not pushing too early for that very reason, I concentrated on breathing through it all for as long as I could. They built up into feelings that I really couldn?t do a lot about but I still tried to stop it happening but eventually I let it take over. By this time the top of his head was already visable anyway and it took about 4 or 5 contractions (maybe 10 minutes) to birth his head. I remember fighting the pushing by telling myself that it was really hard, and really painful, but that if I didn?t do this right I would be damaged forever and this would pass, soon enough. His head was born which was the strangest feeling because I could feel it hanging out of me and I couldn?t help but worry that I ? he - was underwater!! It seemed like ages and was probably about 1-2 minutes, but the MW was very chilled and just told me to wait for the next cx then really push him out hard, and the rest of him just came out no problem.
Someone grabbed him and passed him up to me, and he cried for a moment, then just went really calm and serene. We stayed in the water for about 5 minutes and I remember the pain just going ? it was wonderful! I noticed the pool filling up with blood, which was scary but normal, and they helped me out of the pool and then supported me on the floor to deliver the placenta. That was really painful as although the cx were not as bad at all as the labour, I felt that I?d done enough and that these weren?t really doing anything useful! While that happened YOB held him skin to skin which was lovely.
After the placenta was delivered we waited a while and then tied off the cord with our embroidery thread that we?d brought with us. YOB cut the cord and I was moved into the bathroom for a shower but I stood in the bathroom with blood dripping alarmingly out of me and making quite a puddle on the floor. I pretty much collapsed on the floor and nearly fainted, and was helped to the loo but couldn?t stand up at all. They got me onto the bed in the room next to the pool room, and slowly the bleeding stopped but I was pretty wiped out and fell asleep for an hour and a half while Comma suckled on YOB?s nipple through his teeshirt! Clearly a child with commitment, if not yet the ability to think laterally.

We were in there for a few hours until I felt up to being transferred. I?d been given a clean up on the bed as there was no way I could make it to the shower and I was wheeled into the maternity unit where unfortunately YOB had to leave us. Getting through that night was tough as the afterpains were really bad and I ended up taking co-codamol ironically given my drug-free labour, and I couldn?t get out of bed without the room spinning so it wasn?t fun. But we did, and here we are.

SilverSky · 13/07/2010 21:25

Thank you rotters. Really interesting. I fancy a water birth but I do not, do not want to be vomming. Yuk.

I miss yoos in the deli.

OkieCokie · 13/07/2010 21:30

Rots what an amazing birth! Just what I would want. PLease to clarify, you did no pushing at all until head was born?

rollerbaby · 13/07/2010 22:06

I have to say it sounds brilliant and you have alot to be proud of. I made mr moo read it and said - I want one of those pleese. He just looked a bit shell shocked.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 14/07/2010 06:34

For those worried about my incision, right now it sounds worse than it is. It's just a bloody good indicator that I need to stop moving and do some more arse couch time.

I'm having a horrible time with the bf'ing. I'd suspected a week ago that I wasn't producing much milk, then it seemed to come in. Anyway yesterday I decided to do a little experiment and to express everything to get a handle on what was coming out. In 18 hours I've had less than 2 fluid oz. No wonder the poor mite doesn't much like it. I'm going to phone the doctor at 9 because the nurses told me there's a nasal spray I can get (oxytocin ?) to help trigger things. I can't go on like this - I feel guilty for not providing him breast milk, but he's getting everything I've got and it wouldn't keep a mouse alive.

Also, this may sound rather "thick" - but I suspect I was given a sweep during the second part of my induction... is there any way I would know? I have to go back to the hospital for a 6-week check up and I'm going to ask then but it's bothering me in the interim.

Now, apart from moaning about all this stuff, he is a lovely little boy!

Cosmosis · 14/07/2010 09:20

how much you express bears no resemblance to how much bear is getting skibabe honestly. some people can never express much, but produce plenty for baby.

Backinthebox · 14/07/2010 10:12

Ski Is he putting on weight and weeing and pooing? If he is then he is getting the milk from you. A baby is far more efficient at getting it out of you than you will ever be! They know just how to do it right. If you are still worried, I would say a breast feeding advisor would be the way forward if you are keen to carry on breastfeeding. Remember, it is a skill that has to be learnt - so many people assume that they just ought to be able to do it easily and are disheartened when it isn't so. I had a terrible birth last time, but as a result had a lot of attention from a very lovely SCBU sister who showed me just what to do while I was in hospital. My sister had a very easy birth and was home within hours but struggled with feeding for the first week and her baby dropped weight. Both of us went on to feed our babies easily for months and months! Once you have the knack you'll wonder how it was so hard - but you've got to get the knack to start with. Just take your time and try not to worry too much.

OkieCokie · 14/07/2010 11:35

Box and Cos have some very good advice there and I agree. I expressed a pitiful amount at the beginning.

Try not to worry too much, eat and drink plenty of gin of fludids and try and rest and your supply should be fine. Fennel tea is supposed to improve milk too.

CluckyKate · 14/07/2010 11:55

Agree with all the advice given - those baybees have a mighty strong suck & teeny-tiny tummies so, as has already been said, provided they are putting on weight & filling their nappies you're doing alright

Oh and stuff quantity, it's quality you need - if you're eating plenty of cake & chocolate (a staple for all BFing Mummies) then your milk will be highly calorific & of the finest quality

FannyPriceless · 14/07/2010 12:53

ski Step away from measuring your BM supply - that way madness lies! In the early day with DD I could hardly express butterfly tears. It is more effective at this stage (pain permitting) to feed directly. And exactly what everyone else said is true:

  1. does he have wet and dirty nappies?
  2. is he putting on weight?
If the answer to both is yes then you have to trust it's working and stop worrying. I blame the FF culture for making us feel we have to measure and count our feeds. Frankly, that's just not how nature designed it to work. I know it feels like they are feeding for ages in the early days, but that's precisely the thing that will make it better, as that's what stimulates more supply.

Clyde gave me a huge grin this morning. Not just a random one like I've had before - I started singing How Much is that Doggy in the Window? and he immediately broke into an ear-to-ear smile!

PS. I have become tired of calling them the girl and the boy. They are now Bonnie and Clyde (hopefully with slightly fewer murders).

organiccarrotcake · 14/07/2010 15:13

fanny love the names

ski What everyone said. Look, I was a master expresser with LC yet when I went away for a weekend without him (leaving gallons of the stuff behind) I couldn't express enough to stop myself being in agony. There's no doubt that they are MUCH more efficient even than a really good expresser. I can't express anything at the moment and yet he's getting about 10 wet or dirty nappies a day and he's putting on weight and these are the ONLY two indicators of what he's taking. And, he's likely to lose weight for the first 1-2 weeks anyway so really at the moment it's the nappies to look at.

Re sweep, your notes should say so.

okie No, I started pushing before his head was born but I waited as long as I could and I would say that after 2-3 proper pushing contractions his head was on my perineum and another few cx to deliver the head, so he had some down a long way without pushing (I had felt this, very odd but nice to know it was happening!). It's hard to remember exactly but there was a long time with the top of his head coming in and out a bit, gently stretching me, which was tough coz of the fire and all, but I was "in the zone" . 15 mins pushing altogether, which was mostly last bit of descent and delivering the head. I would estimate that delivering the head took the longest. Body was easy.

Okie, was it you who said you bled terribly at birth? Did you have a managed 3rd stage?

Got to run as YOB is leaving and wants lappie.

organiccarrotcake · 14/07/2010 15:15

some come down

organiccarrotcake · 14/07/2010 15:21

ski, I'm sorry, I think I sounded dismissive of your concerns, which obviously I'm not. Tell me why you think you're not making enough milk? Is it solely because you're not expressing much or are there any other reasons why you think there's not enough?

Backinthebox · 14/07/2010 17:27

Rots just in case you didn't see over on the PESH board - can I have your hypno-book please? I am happy to send it on to the next person to pop after I've squeezed it dry of useful calm-and-collected-baybee-laying info.

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