Dec 08 ladies getting re-clackered, with tantrums from toddlers we're sure to be knackered

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Veggie that sounds like a lovely day

wish I could say the same but despite glorious sunshine I have temp, sore throat and can't stop shivering. Dreading tomorrow, DH is working and DD is v grumpy today - maybe teething - is it too early for mmr reaction? She only had it Tuesday afternoon. Wish my bloody parents were of some use - 5 mins down the road but having never once looked after DD before I think she'd go mental if left with them now, specially when not feeling great

god I feel grim

Oh Kiwi no that's terrible. Could youR parents at least come over and keep an eye on her while you lay on the couch or better still in bed. You could be around but they could get her lunch etc. What does your DH do he is always working weekends.

I wish Veggie - the thing is my parents aren't the "sit on the floor and play" type, they just sort of sit on the sofa and look at her. If I feel worse j might get them to take her for a walk though.

DH is a sports journalist - hence working many weekends (part of his contract) and going to the World Cup.

Ps my temp is 38.6. That's quite high isn't it? Whimper ...

Oh Kiwi poor you, that is high. Does it generally feel like a flu or something like that. You've not got sore boobs have you (I think your still BF aren't you). I completely forgot he that was his job. Will he get sometime off after world cup. Can you up DD's childcare for while he's away? Or get a cleaner?

Yeah boobs are fine so don't think it's mastitis - have really swollen glands etc. I think he should get some time off in lieu - he certainly did after Olympics. And yup have already upped DDs nursery days to fulltime (she already does 4 so not huge change)

Kiwi, how is your temperature now? Sounds like you should rope in your parents to do whatever they can, there's no way you can look after DD and be sick, unless DH can take a day off work?

Veggie your day sounds just fantastic . You've really made a great life for yourself out there and I know it's often tricky but the good bits are all down to you. And it sounds like your DSs are having a whale of a time.

T teething again. It seems so unfair that some little ones really suffer with their teeth and others don't seem affected at all. Also suspect he has a sore throat. Otherwise he's been on good form, very funny.

Got some friends coming to lunch tomorrow with T's little friend and then we're all off to baby loves disco. I was going to say that's about as "out" as I get these days before remembering that I actually went to the theatre with a friend last night then out for a meal. Reminded me that I need to do it more often, even if I do pay for it the next day if T has a dodgy night.

I ate a whole packet of fizzy strawberry laces today. It's what the baby wanted.

Dora so sorry to hear about your FIL, and also all your bumps and bruises. I hope they?ve started to heal now. And Sybil too, with big bruises all round, it does sound scary ? I sometimes stand at the top of the stairs with DD and think ?what if I trip right now?, and it leaves me feeling cold, so to actually do it must be awful.

Rubes I know the conversation about your brother has moved on now, but I remembered today that the midwife who came out to see us when we first came home from hospital gave me some great advice (not the usual one, but a very lovely on call MW from miles away, cause it was Xmas day, who I sadly didn?t see again) ? it was not to let anyone into the house who doesn?t have food, and don?t let them out again until they?ve done some housework. I actually think it was the best advice I?ve ever received in my life, and I pretty much stuck to it too.

V interested by the NCT chat ? there?s not a branch round here, so I?ve never looked into it. But a work colleague who is up the clacker has joined ? and it cost her £200 and all she got is a list of people?s email addresses and the instruction to introduce herself. Everything else costs even more. This seems horrifically expensive to me, as I met lots of lovely people free through our Surestart centres. Is it normal, or just in York?

Kiwi is it you who has the fab ILs? Can they help? I had an awful fever last summer and trying to look after DD was beyond me, and she wasn?t even active then. I tried taking her out in the pushchair, just to keep her quiet, but even walking stupidly slowly was too much effort. Or do you have any friends who can help, even if just for an hour or so?

Following all the paddling pool talk, we got ours out today (a blow up one ? but not a problem as we just use the mega powerful tractor tyre pump ) ? DD loved it last summer and normally loved all things watery ? but refused to go in it, she just leant in and splashed me for a while .

Can anyone recommend a good swing? We want to get one with a baby seat that hopefully converts to a big swing in future ? for DD?s birthday present (rather late, but we deliberately waited to see what she?d need half way through the year, rather than 3 days before Xmas)

Oh Sybil you poor thing. How nasty to have your confidence shaken like that. Thank Gid you and DD weren't more seriously hurt. Any fall is horrible though. I hope you are feeling a bit better today.

Kiwi - maybe bows the time to force your parents to step up. If you called and cried at your mum what would she do. Your DD is used to nursery so she might be ok being left with them even if it's a first. Make them take her to Wetlands or somewhere she will be distracted.

Re NCT. I did find it invaluable. We paid around £200 for 6 evening classes with 6 other couples. The classes were ok but I knew a lot of it already. But the teacher worked hard to make us bond and made us all arrange a lunch for the week after the class. We then met at least once a week for two years. One of those couples are now close friends and all of us still
meet occassionally.

I then helped run an NCT baby drop in and met loads more NCT mums post natally. We are all v local and started going to the local pub on the last Weds of the month. Our kids all are great friends and now even our men have regular nights out together. It's so nice having so many local friends and for the first time sine moving to London I feel part of a community. We have been on a few weekends away
and some if us are going to Latitude this summer. But as great as all that sounds it's not NCT specific. SureStart, swimming lessons etc could all provide similar opportunities.

Sybs sorry about your week - sounds hideous. Hope things are improving.

Kiwi - sounds like me - woke up with an awful cold yesterday and it has only become worse. Didn't work yesterday due to that pain plus the cold but went in today - almost torture given how lovely the weather was. Went to swimming this morning too and now feel drained. Your parent's sound frustratingly and increasingly more like mine. having said that I actually think mine would step up a little more if they lived that close! That's quite apalling! Mine will do stuff if I ask them when they visit but not likely to change a nappy unprompted etc. like mil will.

Zoe, I have been mulling this db thing over for 4 days now and have discussed it with every man and their dog, and written an email only to change it 5 times, but after chatting to my friend at work I know I'm not insane for thinking how I am. So I sent him and email tonght, and we will see. I think it's a little pathetic that I didn't even get a word from my db or any apology about the way his dp acted etc. They are nearly 40 for God's sake! I have basically implied that if the 2 of them are still coming over together then it's better to stay on with her family - and we can plan to do stuff as and when, but kind of said I assumed it was all off and therefore why doesn't he come a little later or meet us in NZ when we go etc. We shall see....

Spot I feel like some of those fizz things yum - gotta do what the baby wants don't you really My baby wanted a small spot of cheerfulness this evening

Right I'm knackered.

Bumps all getting better, thanks (although knees are still v sore when I kneel - not great for nappy changing!). sybil - your fall sounds awful - hope the effects are wearing off slightly but know it can take a while after such a nasty bump.

RE: NCT we were very lucky, and made some great friends, but I know that isn't what happens all the time. I was also in an NHS group at the hospital and didn't stay in touch with any of them, although am FB friends with a couple, so it just depends on the people I think and you can definitely get the same from other groupings.

Zoe I think ELC does a swing that converts - they certainly had one up in our local branch at one point?

We have spen this evening painting our spare room listening to magic FM, having been to the tip (again) and to Homebase twice today! Brilliant! I think we may be south London cliches

PS - loving the decadent babies! Mine both loved Dairy Milk - I just had to keep feeding it to them.....and Pringles...ah yes, not my fault at all....!

Helloooo...been up since 5, I can't flipping sleep again. Who needs a baby to keep you awake? I can do it quite brilliantly alone. MInd you, I have got a lot to do so getting up now is quite useful.

It was super at my Mum's, and I FINALLY told my family I am clackerated. They were all really pleased, it was so lovely - and they were really surprised as well Mind you, I have never mentioned another one, I don't really discuss that stuff. Even my teenage nephews are as pleased as punch, it's really nice. They are such terrific boys, I love spending time with them. DP's Mum is slightly humphy we didn't tell her earlier but that is v predictable and I am blocking it out.

Isn't this weather SUPERB? Love it.

Sybs, I am so sorry about your horrid fall, it sounds absolutely gruesome You poor old thing. It will be the shock that's making you feel so yucky, and it can take a while to abate - I was mugged a few years ago and punched in the face, and the shock of this made me feel physically wobbly for a good week or more afterwards. I hope you have treated yourself to some nice jeans to replace the ones that got totalled. And your poor DD as well...is she ok now? Apart from the jeans I think you need some rest in the sunshine and something pink and sparkling to drink.

And Dora as well, what a rotten time you have had! Was sorry to hear all that. I hope the summer is calmer for you and your family.

Avo, I hope you were ok after the MAP. Apparently they are far less fierce than they used to be. I think you did the right thing though if you don't want a third now - you will remember my DP's similar antics in January resulted in my current interesting state. It has actually made me NEVER want to trust the withdrawal method again: it's too prone to user error. I haven't bought anything to wear for D's wedding, yet. I have been having a bit of text chat with Sexy S, the flingette, only to warn him I am now festooned with children and a boyfriend I tried to contact the other one that's going but he is a bit bitter and is ignoring me. DP doesn't know about any of this and I won't be telling him either...

I would like to know some NCT people but I didn't take the classes as I always feel the people who run the courses have a bit of an agenda (feel free to tell me it's me with the prejudice and not them!) However, obviously the people that go to them are the same mix you find anywhere, I am sure. When I move house I am going to make a huge effort with activities in the new village (even DP is threatening to become a school governor). There's even a branch of the WI, but I am not quite ready for that yet

Kiwi, I hope you are feeling better and you haven't missed this glorious weather languishing with a yucky bug.

Rubes, any word from your bro in reply to your email?

There was so so much more I wanted to say, but I might try and rest my eyes for an hour. I really ought to do some writing, though. Had a rotten bit of luck in the week - a few weeks ago was invited to develop a tv panel show by a friend who is a commissioning editor for a small channel. It was a brilliant opportunity and I worked quite hard on it. I had to put it through an independent production company so it went through one I have worked with before, a very big one. Anyway, to cut a long story short, it transpired that there was some sort of cock up and they never sent it off. And the deadline was a fortnight ago. So the commission has gone to someone else. It is unbelievably galling.

I am supposed to be going for a country walk/lunch with friends and then have to hare it to London to catch the end of the cricket in Battersea. Which is lovely but I need to do WORK. Is anyone meeting up tomorrow, still? Can't promise I will make it but will certainly try. Sorry not to speak to everyone personally. I have very much enjoyed reading what I missed, though. Enjoy the sun, ladies.

Oh, and Avo, just to clarify about the flingette, obviously I have ZERO interest in rekindling anything with him or anyone else! And the text chat with him was nothing more than friendly. I think what I wrote above sounded a bit more exciting/salacious than it actually was. I don't really think S is sexy, though I did once upon a time (hence the moniker).

Good morning DC's been up since 5am, I think its just too bloody warm for them! Plus DS wouldn't eat yesterday, again heat I think.

We could really do to get the paddling pool out of the attic but DH is at work and I hate going up there! Never got to the park yesterday either..too much housework to do boo. I plan on a lazy day today with them in the garden

kiwi I hope your feeling better today, sounds horrid.
rubes hope the email wes well received by DB.

Oh gosh Lady - same here - been up since 545am and ds not until 7 came trundling into our room with a big grin. Nothing in reply from the db - and I know that was why I was up so early and didn't sleep well - just keep going over it all. Why do I worry so much about it? I actually said to DH I would either get nothing in reply or just 2ok2 in an wmail and that's all.... so far the former. The friend I was talking to about it said she thinks i'd be worrying about it whatever I decided as if I let them stay i'd wish I hadn't and vice versa. She said she's be more down on the dp as well and I should have replied to her text and told her off for calling and speaking to me that way. At nearly 40 you'd think she's be more mature....

Lady I'm so glad you told your news and it's well received as I knew it would be well done for keeping it to yourself for so long.

Glad to hear you are on the mend Dora.

I know I wasn't going to discuss names but my shortlist keeps changing to often my head is spinning. Can I have your honest opinions on the name Georgia? I really want want you really think about it and why or why not you like or don't like it! I love it right now

gosh that didn't come out right I actually said to dh I would get just an "ok" or nothing in reply!

rubes I LOVE the name Georgia...I mentioned it to DH if DS was a girl and he vetoed it. Buthe has no taste!!!

I have just done my ironing because its cooler now than it will be later, how sensible of me! I have tried to get DH to ring work sick so he can stay home and we can have fun with theDC's in the paddling pool (its massive and shaped like a boat) but he was having none of it...miserable sod

lady forgot to say that it was good to hear your family are so excited about your pg. I am amazed you have kept it quiet too, I think I told everyone when I was about 6 weeks.

Rubs I think Georgia is lovely

had an awful night, temp went up to 39.2 and was sick a lot too, which given I hadn't eaten anything since breakfast was not pleasant. Keep alternating between being unable to get warm, shivering under pile of blankets then sweatig madly. Guess that's classic fever?

DH sent my parents a message and my dad is coming round shortly plus my fabulous in-laws are coming too despite having just been here anyway. They really are wonderful. So hopefully between them all I should make it thro the day and DH is desperately trying to change his shift tomorrow.

Daisy , thanks -dh "didn't mind it" at first but it's in our top 3 now and seems to like it more. Also dh is the same. Actually can't think of a time he's called sick for work since I've known him perhaps maybe once but v v v long time ago

Kiwi glad you are getting some troops in - hard work when you've got to actually ask for their help isn't it. Perhaps your in;aws can teach them a thing or two (that's the aim with mine at some point soon!)

still ill here too. Have been hacking up my lungs today... dh still asleep but he worked yesterday and for some good £'s so he's earn't it!

Ooh I love a bit if names chat Rubes. I like Georgia. DH and I discussed it when going through a name book for DD1. He wasn't keen because he spent a lot if time studying the US civil rights movement so fir him Georgia will always be the US State with a shameful civil rights history. That's probaxbly just DH though! I think it's pretty. It's quite popular around here (DD1 knows two little Georgias) but I don't think that a huge issue either. Go on... Share more ideas... You know you want to!

Lady - I am now intrigued to know who your other fling was with??? CD is in a state because O's godfather (who you will remember she had a fling with) has written a book discussing his flings in graphic detail. He is now booked to speak at a litweary festival that her mum runs (and she does too now) and one of the characters in his book has her first name and is into porn! C doesn't know whether to reassure her mother that it's not her! Oh and the BA strike is back on at the moment, still hoping they'll get us there though.

Morning all

Can't be long as having a BBQ and lots to do! But just wanted to say GET WELL SOON to Kiwi and Pubes.

And NCT - brill. You're basically buying friends - but what friends they become. I remember those miserable hours of breastfeeding at 3/4am and texting them all saying "Anyone else up?" and getting at least 2 responses. Was such a comfort to me. I didn't think the classese were amazing, but I'm still in touch with all bar one couple now. In fact, 2 couples coming for BBQ today. V nice and DD confident with their kids.

Big love - sunshine is bliss!

xx

DD has just gone to sleep bless her. I was feeding her and thought she was drifting off, but then she detached herself and knelt up. Her eyes were half shut then they shut completely and she did a comedy face plant straight into the bed. It was sooooo cute it quite cheered me up!