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November 09 - rolling, laughing and cutting teeth ... but us mama's are still not getting sleep!!

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scarlotti · 11/04/2010 09:14

New thread for us

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scarlotti · 29/04/2010 22:24

Ooh, nice
I yearn for this as it's the modern version of what my Mum had when I was little and so brings back so many memories!!

Not that I need another gadget to add to the cupboard where gadgets go to languish

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Pavlov · 29/04/2010 22:26

oh that would go in my kitchen!

ursigurke · 29/04/2010 22:39

pavlov, I really loooove all sorts of kitchen appliances so I am really happy for you with your shiny machine which can prepare a whole meal for you

I also think it is normal that the second time you do not follow all the rules and books that much as you have already got your experience and know what works for you.
As it is my first time, I will follow my weaning book as it gives me the confidence to feed my baby in a healthy way. And eventually I won't need it anymore because I know what I am doing.
Interesting about the proteins, but not new to me. I've started with carrots, the next ingredient will be rapeseedoil (contains lots of unsaturated fatty acid), then potato and finally meat (beef). My book suggests to indroduce each new ingredient for 3-5 days and this would be the first month... which only works if I introduce the new things only weekly. As Paula's start has been slow anyway, I thought I'd probably really do it that slowly and then, once the components of a typical normal Austrian lunch (potato, vegetables, meat) are established, I can introduce different vegetables and meat next month. Or rice,... instead of potatoes.
I feel a bit like a child who holds on to mummies hand , but I'm sure I'll soon be able to do it on my own.
Anyway, I need to go to bed now.
Good night to everybody.

Pavlov · 29/04/2010 22:57

ursi we use rapeseed oil here as well as olive oil. We use it instead of sunflower/vegetable oil, and sometimes instead of olive oil. I really like the lightness of it.

Pavlov · 29/04/2010 23:03

still quiet here! R woke up at 10pm, quick feed back to sleep, more soundly. On his side, snoring but not wheezing. Not a peep from his big sister. And I am off to bed. A late night for me, which means R will wake at 12:30am, as per law of sod.

Laugs · 30/04/2010 07:54

scarlotti thanks for that weaning link. I wish the guidelines weren't so contradictory, especially as I am concerned about allergies (as discussed on the other thread). Oh well.

pav I didn't weigh things out I just used a pot with measurements on the side, so only now it occurs to me that he's had 1oz of milk's worth of solids . Oh well, no. 2!

helips purees DD liked from the beginning were: carrot, sweet potato, apple, pear, basically anything sweet! Avocado got a face like this

oh, on adding sugar - I spoke to a woman in my street last night who started weaning this week too. "I couldn't get him to eat his porridge, but he loves ice cream and cheesecake"

ursi I hadn't thought of introducing the components of a meal like that, but it makes s lot of sense. I really can't remember how we went from simple purees to eating everything we ate - will have to look that up again.

ursigurke · 30/04/2010 08:55

Laugs, this is why I like this book. It is really structured (and I'm really rubbish when it comes to a balanced diet, it is jusually a pot of pasta with something) and has lots of general information too like which vegetables and fruit are seasonal (in Austria, Germany and Switzerland unfortunately).
I'm hoping to get a better diet myself when following it for a while with Paula.
And at your neighbour. How can anyone these days think it is a good idea to let them eat sugar right from the beginning! There will be time enough to develop a sweet tooth.

Pavlov · 30/04/2010 09:05

ursi we did find our own diet improved significantly when we weaned DD. We had more simple food, as when she was able to eat with us, she did, so we had to avoid over flavouring, using salt and pepper (yey!) and other heavy flavours, also NO processed food, and we bought organic meat only. That stayed with us. We ate brown bread more too. Much of it continued with us to now although some old habits have slipped in (white bread for example).

laugs I suspect that 1oz is what R is wanting to eat. If he ate it and did not throw it up again, its clearly enough. Even if he did bring some back up, there is no harm done.

Anyone have any ideas about when eggs are ok? I remember introducing them relatively early into DDs diet, i plonked it in front of her in great chunks and she picked it up, but i recall reading that yolks are not great until x time (allergy related i think) but cant remember.

A terrible night. So much for the great start. DD wet her bed at midnight, and cried as she wanted to sleep in our bed. So i let her. R woke at 12:15am for a feed, not bad, but then woke hourly after than and DD would not settle so was sent back to her own bed. Both up at 6:45am. To a very grumpy DH. (i did not sleep well either you know, was his reply when i said what a shit night i had ).

ursigurke · 30/04/2010 10:07

pavlov, about the egg, I think it is the opposite, the egg yolk is better then the white. So my book says: you should avoid eggs in the whole first year. when they are one they can have 1-2 eggs per week (don't forget the ones in cake, bakes,...). In the last sentence she says: In the first year even yolk is not recommended by many scientists (not very clear, I think)
But I have to say, it follows the very old fashioned traditional way and I think these days they recommend to introduce this highly allergenic food earlier.

Pavlov · 30/04/2010 10:12

ursi so no cake? now i am not one for giving the kids lots of sweets, but how i could i bake a cake and not let him have any til he is 1 that will be difficult !

It is all rather confusing isn't it? I might just play it by ear.

ursigurke · 30/04/2010 10:53

I remember that my nephew didn't get any cake until he was 1 (I think even much longer). But my sister and I met at least once a week at her place and would have coffee and cake/something sweet. It was always very tricky and we were really quick at eating it. He usually got something else to eat too so it was okish. Obviously he wanted what we had but was always fine with whatever he got. (He also wanted coffee but accepted that it was for adults only.) I guess, it is possible with the first one to be really strict but gets really tricky with no 2 when you have to explain why the older one gets something which the younger one wouldn't get.

Pavlov · 30/04/2010 11:11

well yes it is more difficult with 2! I guess baby led weaning has already become Preschooler Led Weaning in this house .

hobnob57 · 30/04/2010 11:12

DD1 was on 2 soft boiled eggs in a sitting well before she was one! But I was paranoid about her calcium and protein intake...

Sorry pav, but I'm happy to report that we had a much better night. Isla was so tired she went down at 6:30, grumbled occasionally but didn't wake until 5:30. Yay! She fed, went back to sleep (Yay!) and woke again at 8 for her next guzzle. And the farted lots, with no complaints whatsoever. I hesitate to say it but I think we may have turned a corner! She had black bits in he nappy yesterday so I hope that whatever has been annoying her is now out of her system.

Forgot to say, I've confirmed with work about my 3 days a week this week and I've also been to the physio about my pelvis which has been out of whack for a while and she did similar manipulation to the osteopath but for free! Hoorah. It was when I had to chase DD1 up the street on her bike with the pram that I realised I'm actually pretty disabled by it and needed to get it sorted.

scarlotti · 30/04/2010 11:18

We mix avocado with banana (in fact that's lunch today!) which helps with the taste.

I'm going to start blitzing up our home food pretty much from now as can't be faffed with all this veg! He's loving eating and so needs more of a balanced diet. Going to do a big cook up this weekend of some chicken and some lentil dishes for the freezer.

laugs recent research seems to indicate the rise of allergies being linked to later/slower weaning. Lots of contradictary advice but boffin posts lots of studies on that thread and they are up to date and quite clear.

Recent research also says that it's the introduction of solids that matures the gut, rather than needing a mature gut to give the solids iyswim. As long as baby is ready (sitting, tongue thrust gone etc.) then it's the food going in that starts the process. Makes much more sense than it arbitrarily happening at 6 months imo. Nature is much cleverer than that!

Ursi we all started the way you did with our firsts. It can be reassuring to follow a book so think nothing of it. I'm more easy going this time but am on no.3

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raggie · 30/04/2010 12:48

It's been busy here the past couple of days! I haven't managed to read through everything yet but thought would pop a quick post to say hello. Hope things are going better for you today SirBoob.

I'm going to go back and read with interest the weaning advice from you lovely ladies. Rosa can sit up really well and is definitely interested so the other day I gave her a banana to gnash on. It was hilarious. It went everywhere but she seemed to enjoy. I then thought some water to help it go down might be good so we then had fun with the slanty cup. Water, water everywhere!

Right, off to catch up....oh now, off to attend to a whingey baby.

skorpion · 30/04/2010 13:12

Pavlov, BLW book says eggs are fine from six months providing they are thoroughly cooked, including the yolk. It's because of possibility of salmonella. However the 'What to expect' book says no to egg whites in the first 12 months. How's that for contradictory advice, eh?

Laugs · 30/04/2010 13:48

I thought eggs were ok from 9 months as long as they were fully cooked? It sounds like none of the professionals know either though!

scarlotti Yeah I read the research bruffin(?) had linked to a few days ago, particularly something about there being no effect on likelihood of developing asthma if weaned 4-6 months or from 6 months (don't quote me on that, I had barely slept!), which made me less concerned about starting early (I was paying attention to the asthma bit, but I think it was any allergies).

Have these Facebook and Twitter symbols always been here?

Fruitpastels · 30/04/2010 14:13

I caught up with everyone and I've forgotten most of the news Glad to hear weaning is going well. Last night, I noticed for the first time that C was grabbing his dinner and becoming rather efficient at feeding himself. He's starting to show so much excitment about food!

Anyone else's baby started to grab door keys, mobile phones, laptops?! You name it, C wants it!

Have you all got nice plans for BH weekend?

skorpion · 30/04/2010 14:18

Laugs I've only just spotted the symbols. Doesn't mean they're new, though

9 months puts this squarely in the middle of what my books say. Does it ever make you wonder how on earth past generations managed to make it to adulthood...?

skorpion · 30/04/2010 14:23

Fruitpastels no plans here... weather is supposed to be cack, so we'll see. DH mumbles periodically about some dyi jobs, but am not sure. I would dearly like to sort out my neglected garden. Have raddish seeds on the move and am waiting for spinach and lettuce to start poking through as well. I'd like to get some beans and broadbeans and beetroot started, too. But the garden itself is like a pigsty, mind you the pesky cats have moved town so at least no cat poo to deal with. Result! How about you?

Fruitpastels · 30/04/2010 14:32

Skorpion sounds like a nice weekend of milling around in the garden DS1 wants to plant some onion bulbs, but I need to get hold of some compost first. He's been asking me for days! DH is away, so no great plans ahead other than me surviving the 4 days he's away for , I've already sliced my thumb with a bread knife and nearly done it to my another finger a few hours later . I'm used to managing on my own (a bit), I just wish I could get more sleep - but don't we all?! We're visiting friends on BH Monday for a take-away. The weather isn't looking too good here either .

ursigurke · 30/04/2010 15:17

skorpion, I agree with you on the past generations! The annoying thing about all those theories (also about SIDS) that no one really know but all the books or experts pretend to really know!
Although I think for example that we rather wait a bit until she is getting egg, I think that the increase of allergies in general comes more from todays change in life style (more chemical products everywhere...) rather than the actual date of introduction in the diet.

Laugs · 30/04/2010 15:25

I just had DD in James' cot with him, reading him a story while I hid in the kitchen and ate chocolate biscuits! It's amazing what passes for fun these days

Actually, they are still in there, giggling away to each other. It's lovely to listen to.

Fruitpastels · 30/04/2010 15:31

laugs Older siblings are a great help, especially when having a sneaky biscuit I too am guilty

Fruitpastels · 30/04/2010 15:38

Just wanted to say. How lovely it is that we all get on so well and have followed our journey (so far..) together. Most of us have been here from the start through trying to conceive, conception, early pregnancy weeks and so forth . It would be lovely to have you all as RL friends. I'm very senitmental today