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poppy34 · 04/03/2010 21:39

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EddieIzzardismyhero · 06/05/2010 09:52

The should have made it clear it was a joke?

DebInAustria · 06/05/2010 09:53

Biscuits - here we pay into the health service, bit like a National insurance contribution. At the end of each year we do each get a letter saying exactly what we have cost the health service - it is way more than we pay in!!

TheBuggerofSuburbia · 06/05/2010 10:36

Morning all. Happy Birthday Theo and Esther. Even though it can't surely be true that sees a rash of SECOND birthdays coming up???!

Spider, don't flounce, come back!

I've made an active choice not to vote. I feel a bit strange about it, as I always vote in all elections, but none of our candidates have bothered their backsides in this area - we've had a couple of leaflets through the door. The current incumbent has had the seat for many years with a huge majority. If I wanted to vote tactically against them I'd have to vote for a party I fundamentally disagree with. If I didn't want to vote for them, there are two 'alternative' smaller parties, one being the BNP, and one headed up by Tommy Sheridan, and there's no way I could vote for either of those. I wish there was a 'none of the above' box.

Deb and Biscuits, excellent ideas about the health service. I couldn't really fault the treatment I've experienced throughout my life, and my dad would likely have died a lot earlier than he did without it. I do feel there's so much waste in public services though, my own bugbear f'rinstance is food in hospitals. Interesting discussions on the Guardian food blog about this - my solution would be to charge people for food when they're in hospital, or encourage them to bring their own (as so many do anyway) and those people who are on low incomes get theirs free. Charging those who can afford it - likely to be less than they spend on food themselves - would increase the quality and allow the 'free' food for others, and reduce the huge amount of waste - frightening amount of inedible food simply thrown away every day.

Anyway....

Abdn, I think you were talking about tax credits, and how it should support single parents. I don't disagree, but I want to share an anecdote, just to show there's always exceptions.

I have an acquaintance who had never met the right man, felt she was getting old, etc etc and adopted a baby from a third world country. Even though this process cost her a lot of money, there were still costs to the public purse, i.e. assessing and approving her for adoption, court costs, etc. She earns well, bought her house when houses were cheap/affordable, and has a lot of family support. She was shocked at the amount of help she got as a single parent - totally free nursery place, tax credits, activities, etc etc. Now, DP and I have an above average joint income, but we have nursery fees for B of over £700/month, a substantial mortgage, and DP (rightly so) pays maintenance for the DSDs. In effect my single parent friend is sooo much better off than us, despite working pt - she has no mortgage/rent to pay, no childcare costs, and gets loads of extra help. I don't know what the answer is, I do know that we will miss the little amount of tax credit we get (as I'll be working all of this year, we're not entitled to any), and the tax relief on childcare vouchers does make a difference to us.

On a fluffier note - I'm well chuffed with my little plants in the garden. The spuds are growing, I haven't yet killed the teeny tiny herb plants, and the strawberries are looking quite healthy. Yay!

I'm supposed to be working from home today, so better crack on.

EddieIzzardismyhero · 06/05/2010 11:50

I think being told exactly how much you've cost the health service is an excellent idea - I also think people should be fined for missed appts, but I know that's probably unworkable.

Btw, biscuits, have you seen this?

SpiderWilliam · 06/05/2010 13:27

I haven't really flounced . I thought a small tantrum would be just the ticket before going out to Music group this morning. I didn't really have the time or inclination to get embroilled in a debate on who is to blame for the crap attitude alot of people seem to have to our public services. The "they should do something about it" culture drives me potty.

As you were ladies...

EddieIzzardismyhero · 06/05/2010 13:41

Don't get me started! Like several people on here, I work in the public sector, and it is truly horrendous.

While I was being slightly flippant about blaming the Tories, Thatcher's attitude towards teachers in the 80s was appalling and lead to a catastrophic collapse in respect for the profession. If you tell someone's child off nowadays, the parents will often come and scream blue murder at you.

I see a lot of it on threads on MN and it makes me soooo .

On a much lighter note, A slept through again last night .

EssieAmma · 06/05/2010 14:16

A small tantrum is always good before any kind of group. We have them all the time here.
I'm going to have one before our next staff meeting too. Or maybe during.

EssieAmma · 06/05/2010 14:33

I'm sure the irony of me writing this from north Wales won't be missed - but where do people get wet weather clothes from? I vaguely remember someone - perhaps Abdn? - posting a link to a company. A British one too, maybe?
Thanks!
(Just to balance things out, I just ordered a bikini.)

EddieIzzardismyhero · 06/05/2010 14:47

Did you want a wet weather bikini?!

neenz · 06/05/2010 17:17

Theo and Esther opening their birthday presents this morning. Do you like T's pyjamas?

The bday has been a bit low-key as yet cos DH had to be out the door by 7.45am this morn (only after I moaned, he was originally leaving at 7.15am!) cos he has was in court, so we got the kids up at 7 and gave them their ninky nonks which went down well. Also a book each from a friend but nothing else, altho GPs came at 11am and gave them some clothes as pressies.

I bought the Plan garage new from ebay (last Fri) but the shop emailed yesterday to say they have none in stock! Pretty annoyed about that, so I have asked for my money back and I'm bidding on another second hand one on ebay. I lost out on the other second hand one by about 26p . I will nip in at the last minute with this one and win it though [determined]. So they should have it next week!

Party saturday - the weather forecast is not great atm but fingers crossed, nothing we can do about it anyway. All will be fine, I am chilled. Is it bad that I am going to Costco to buy their birthday cake .

Deb, glad you got the appt sorted and it doesn't seem too serious if the doc is saying you can wait for the new shoes...?

Spider, if by Blue you mean everyone is becoming a Man City fan I can handle that .

Biscuits, love the NHS invoice idea! I love the NHS by the way, best in the world. Maybe you can tell me what you think of this story though. My friend's aunt who is diabetic was taken into hospital last week. She is on 14 diff tablets. Sorry not sure why she was taken in. Anyway the docs took her off all her tablets, inc the diabetes ones, and she died a few days later. She wasn't that seriously ill or so the family thought. What's that all about then? The family think it was neglect by the docs taking her off her medication .

Eddie, great news on the sleep!

Bugger, its a shame you feel you have no one to vote for. That's why pr would be good (another reason!). The situation with your friend is interesting, but surely she can't be better off than you even with the benefits she receives?

PiggyPenguin · 06/05/2010 17:56

Its a lovely video Neenz, glad your dh could hang about for a little while. My dh tends to take the kids birthdays off as holiday until they go to school as otherwise he leaves at 6.30, doesn't get back until 7.00 and misses their whole day.

I still need to go and vote, have to wait until dh gets home. DD (6) got home from school and told me who her best friends mum (a really good friend who lives over the road) voted for. Apparently they were talking about the election in class and her best friend announced to everyone who her mum was voting for. Presumably the parents of the whole class now know. Not sure how pleased she will be about that...

neenz · 06/05/2010 18:51

But I suppose if you tell your 6yo DD who you voted for you can't complain when she blabs it! .

DebInAustria · 06/05/2010 19:23

Lovely video Neenz, they are gorgeous!Love T's pj's

lol at wet weather bikini!

SpiderWilliam · 06/05/2010 19:44

Ooh, excitement: just won my natal hypnobirthing VBAC CDs for £0.99. gotta love eBay.

Neenz, glad the twins had a good day.

Are people staying up tonight? Suggested to DH he takes tomorrow off, but forgot that I can't stay awake beyond 10.30. He is being permitted an election night curry, but he could be watching the results on his own.

DoNotFeedMeBiscuits · 06/05/2010 19:56

Awwww you guys have made me feel all warm and fuzzy now! thanks for the NHS love-in, will go to work tomorrow feeling much more appreciated! Interesting that Austria already does my invoice idea - smart people!

Eddie wooo two nights in a row (quietly celebrates for you, as doesn't want to jinx it)

neenz medications are usually stopped because they have side effects that are implicated in the illness that has led to admission, or because the illness means that they are not necessary at that time. If for example the aunt was on oral medications for her diabetes, but was nil by mouth, then they would be stopped and her glucose levels monitored and adjusted with insulin if required. Or if she was on lots of high blood pressure medications and was found to have low BP on admission, they would be stopped too. I would advise your friend's family to ask, rather than wonder about it.

bugger good idea on food in hospitals. I took in my own supplies when I had C, but they still catered for me. what a waste.

DoNotFeedMeBiscuits · 06/05/2010 20:00

Oh and eddie much love to you for taking your chocs to A&E - there's probably nowhere in the hospital that gets less thank yous from patients (as opposed to the ortho wards where they get chocs from all the patients who've have a knee/hip replacement - lots of overweight nurses there We don't get many in Radiology though...

EssieAmma · 06/05/2010 20:03

I considered staying up - marginal seat and all that. But then I can't risk it being the sole parent around here!
Lol at the class discussion Sybil. My grandmother got a postal vote because she can't get out to vote easily (Mum takes her out twice a week but it's a bit much to take trips to ballots - she's not my Mum's mum btw but Mum gives a lot of her time to care for her. Long story.) Anyhow, bear in mind that my grandmother never got much of an education, has led a v. sheltered life, isn't very bright and is a tad confused.
She claims she can't read these days, so Mum does paperwork for her. So, the ballot paper arrived and she asked Mum who to vote for. Mum started listing the candidates. Nain said no Tories and not the current Labour man. So who's left? Mum said Peter Rogers, independent. Nain knows him and he had annoyed her so no. So she asked who the others were. Mum couldn't tell her anything about the Christian alliance man except that he is a vicar, but Nain said no to that. Then she didn't know what Liberal Democrats were , and mum just couldn't begin to explain it, and UKIP (Wales) was just too much complex explaining. So through a process of elimination, Plaid Cymru got the vote...!!

DomesticGoddessInTraining · 06/05/2010 20:07

Lovely vid Neenz. Glad the twins liked their presents.

Fab on the eBay win Spider.

I'll be staying up tonight but will probably be asleep on the sofa by about 11. I'll probably end up dozing on and off on the sofa watching tv and following Twitter feed.

Am keeping my fingers crossed that a friend doesn't lose their job and some others get a new one

abdnhiker · 06/05/2010 20:09

Biscuits We're bit fans of the children's hospital here and our local GP surgery. There will always be mistakes in anything, including hospitals. It's human nature. My grandmother died because of a small error, but human error is human error (just bad luck - not negligence) and she was very frail anyways. What I hate is a litigious (sp?) culture where everyone's afraid to apologize because they are afraid of being sued. My grandfather made it clear he wasn't going to sue and then found that the hospital was very happy to explain what happened (in Canada, not the NHS but similar system).

Happy Birthday Theo and Esther! I love the video!

bugger I know exactly what you mean re: tax credits but then what do you do? I try to think of it that us paying maybe a bit more than is fair sometimes will help make a safer society since violence can be linked to real poverty and lack of opportunity. neenz in terms of disposable income, single parents can be better off. But in the long view, equity, pensions etc, I'm sure that's not the case.

essie try togz. And yes it is funny to give you advice on wet weather gear - but then we've the fleece lined ones that double as snow suits. I also skip sizes because I'm cheap. Fraser's still being stuffed into the 9-12 months (stuffed being the operative word) but he'll go right into Duncan's (who's also barely fitting into his since it's sized 2years and he's turning 4). And I'm jealous that you can wear a bikini - I'm too stretch-marked to ever go there again....

DH and I cancelled each other's votes out today. I think if we weren't going with the boys I would have been tempted not to bother either.

abdnhiker · 06/05/2010 20:13

I'm going to sleep - I'm sick of politics and once I voted I have sort of lost interest.

EssieAmma · 06/05/2010 22:49

I sooooo want to stay up - Ynys Mon is hotly contested (as usual) and could go any way. But the result isn't expected until after 1am and I can't risk it.
It's an interesting one - has had representatives of all parties - Lib, Lab, Con, Plaid within 100 years (since 1929), no issue with boundaries being an island, and it's a big fight between the sitting MP (Lab) and Plaid, but there's also an Independent who will take a big slice of the vote. But also claimed today that he could win. (I sincerely hope not...)

DomesticGoddessInTraining · 07/05/2010 03:08

Anyone still up...?

Rolf · 07/05/2010 05:53

How long did you stay up Goddess? I went to bed really early, but just checked in and Labour have got in again here - only a 2% swing to the conservatives which wasn't enough. There was a big turnout as well, 71%.

Is Formby in flames Neenz?

abdnhiker · 07/05/2010 07:15

We went Lib Dem as expected, although the conservatives made significant gains and then the SNP even beat Labour. Some of that will be a protest vote (my English friend voted SNP) but also a lot of people have been really happy with them on a Scottish government level. The news is saying Labour's done well in Scotland but when you look at the map you can see that it's mainly the central belt and Aberdeen - all of the North has gone LibDem/SNP. We're not the same up here - but I expect that means your friend is fine DGT...

I feel bad for the LibDems - only 1% more of the vote share, I would have thought they'd do better and deserved to do better.

SpiderWilliam · 07/05/2010 07:46

Morning!

Lasted till 2am when we stayed a Con hold and Essies seat stayed Labour. This was despite Guildford being just about the top target seat for a Lib Dem gain.

P slept till 7.20 which was a relief, but I have a cracking headache. If I didn't know better I would say it was a hangover.