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DEC 08 - Barely into toddlerhood and already at our tit's end

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MomOrMum · 13/01/2010 14:22

Tit's end...had to be done.

Hope this works!

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katie3677 · 09/02/2010 13:11

God, all this talk of books is making me realise how suburban my tastes are! I haven't read any of the aforementioned, and probably haven't read a 'serious' book since leaving Uni, even though I'm an English lit Grad!

Finally got a diagnosis on my Dad today, he has Dengue Fever . Whilst it is great to at last know what is wrong with him, there is not treatment for Dengue so he just has to ride out the illness and wait to get better. It is also extremely unusual in the part of Africa he visited, so he is now worried that he has started an epidemic in Zambia!

Thanks for all your advice on leaving DD. I am tempted to drop her and make a run for it in future, but the problem is that once this girl starts to cry, she doesn't stop until she gets Mummy. I was on the phone to the Specialist Dr this morning whilst my Mum watched her and she cried hysterically for 30 mins before I could finally pick her up. Didn't matter that she knew I was there, she just wanted cuddles, and it's no different if I'm not there, so I'm still a bit stuck really.

I must do some work whilst she is asleep, back later.

Kayzr · 09/02/2010 13:15

Kaite I'm glad you have finally found out what is wrong with your dad. I hope he gets better soon.

I am reading The Count of Monte Cristo. Just a few pages in at the minute. I have just finished Alice In Wonderland. Which is really good, I've always thought of it as a children's book and it really isn't.

I am pretty sad though. I have the classic book app on my iPod and I am reading them on there.

JollyBear · 09/02/2010 13:27

Naughty sneaky post as I'm working .

urbane If you do see a specialist or consult wider MN about the probable repeat of hyperemesis, could you please let me know?

Hello all, back later.

LadyThompson · 09/02/2010 13:38

I know it's no comfort now Katie but your girl's doggedness will probably stand her in very great stead when she is older Sorry about the Dengue Fever. I did wonder about that when you said he was ill (not knowing it wasn't usual in Zambia) - I hope he feels better soon...

That book looks interesting, JJ. I know what you mean about the Reformation. I think I have bored you all about this before but the best exhibition I have ever seen (the one that has stayed with me and will stay with me forever) was one at Tate Britain about ten years ago. It was English catholic remnants from churches - the few that remained once Henry VIII had trashed them all. Icons and statues and all sorts of stuff. There's hardly anything left, so it wasn't a large exhibition but it was a spooky glimpse into a Catholic England and was very discombobulating, that mix of what I can only describe as Catholic drama (bleeding hearts, Madonnas, you know the stuff) with English artistic sensibilities.

And whilst we are on the subject of history and national identity, one of my other great fascinations is the English Civil War (in fact civil wars in general) and around this time saw the emergence of the first weekly newsbooks, so people could rely on someone outside their family or circle of acquaintances for news for the first time. To me, that is truly momentous. Of course, with it came propaganda, but a free press is a free people (obviously Oliver Cromwell shortly put the kibosh on all that but not for too long Now, I absolutely adore Cuba and it is a fantastic place in many ways and I have a dear friend there but they simply aren't allowed to say and print what they want.

Anyway, here ends the module on the Reformation, the Civil War and Modern Press Freedom you have all earned top marks

SummerLightning · 09/02/2010 13:49

LadyT I have always wondered what discombobulating means, I always thought it was a joke word

KiwiPanda · 09/02/2010 14:02

Well I started the year by reading Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson which was the size of an encyclopedia, so anything seems shorter after that ...

One of the things I miss most about my pre-DD days is having time to read in the day. I still read at night and now I'm back at work, on the commute, but those lazy Saturday afternoons where DH would be downstairs watching football/playing computer games and I lay on the bed with tea and a good book seem a long time ago.

KiwiPanda · 09/02/2010 14:06

Gosh sorry missed loads of posts there by not refreshing. LadyT I studied the Civil War and my ex-boyfriend (of years ago) did his PhD on newsbooks. Many is the essay I churned out on the 1640s.

Have you read Ronan Bennett's Havoc in it's Third Year? That's a great civil war novel. Also, I very much like The Instance of the Fingerpost by Iain Pears, sort of a whodunnit (in a Wilkie Collins way) set during/just after the Reformation.

LadyThompson · 09/02/2010 14:09

No, but I read Ronan Bennett's one about Congo set in the 60s. Forget what it was called. I liked that. Anyway, his civil war one sounds good.

EffiePerine · 09/02/2010 14:11

I was going to jump in then and say that I read teh Congo book. Only I remember that it was by Redmond O'Hanlon. Rather different I presume. But a good book as well...

KiwiPanda · 09/02/2010 14:11

The Catastrophist. Yes that's a good book but I think Havoc (etc) is even better.

TheInvisibleHand · 09/02/2010 14:35

LadyT - late in on this discussion, but I'd agree, Byatt doesn't exactly wear her research lightly. I am a bit of a magpie for random information, so don't usually mind too much, but there were definitely sections that felt like "here beginneth the lesson on ...", which didn't particularly serve the book well. On the characters (alarmingly) I think they are loosely drawn from various eminent Victorians - rather alarming that Fludd had a real life model.

Not going to bang on about Mantel - I think she is great, but no need to add more. Not read much great stuff lately. Just finished Shantaram, some kind of fictionalised autobigraphy of some derry-doing in India by an escaped armed robber. Not sure I'd recommend it - its kind of entertaining, but the writing style is pretty poor and the ego gets in the way. Count of Monte Christo is way, way better for that kind of thing - I remember staying up all night to finish that. Kiwi - I remember being slightly disappointed by instance of the fingerpost, but can't now remember why.

Oh and LadyT, your talk of that exhibition reminded me of the Cloisters in New York - have you ever been? Its this slightly mad thing put together from various medieval (mostly French I think) sites, shipped out and glued together on the northern tip of Manhattan.

katie - glad to hear you know what is up with your dad and hope it passes soon.

kayz - I read your other thread, but don't have much to offer in the way of advice, just sympathy. Glad you are sounding brighter and are getting out.

TheInvisibleHand · 09/02/2010 14:36

Oh and urbane hope the rice works out for you. Am loving the recipes - DH would go mad for the artichoke thing its one of his favourite foods

Beans33 · 09/02/2010 14:44

I've read The Instance of the Fingerpost, which was brilliant. Read it twice in fact. V good indeed. But I can safely say it's the only one I've even heard of that you're chatting about. I am a philistine. And am also an English Lit grad. But have descended into tripe now and I love it!

Kayzr · 09/02/2010 15:09

We've just taken D for his first outside carry walk. Our P&T has 2 punctures caused by our walk to the garden centre. DH has pulled out 3 huge thorns from one of the wheels.

So we had to go and get a puncture repair kit as we only have 1 patch. D was in the sling but he weighs too much for me to carry now. So he held our hands a walked round. He really enjoyed it. Just need him to walk on his own now.

LadyT I love that period of history. Might have to look at the book Jump has suggested.

EffiePerine · 09/02/2010 15:11

Kayz: we just replaced to tyres on the P&T and have had no punctures since. They were getting very thin. We just got them from a normal bike shop, goodness knows what new P&T ones would cost!

LadyThompson · 09/02/2010 15:24

Invis, yes, I haven't checked but I wondered whether Fludd was based on Eric Gill. He was a sculptor of that period who wore a smock and, um, nonced up his kids. Some of his work adorns the side of Broadcasting House but there's a sculpture of hands in the Courtauld Institute (best thing there IMO) which is so beautiful I just fell in love with it...then I rather recoiled when I found out more about him, which is wrong really as I am not into this nonsense about how art (whether it's books, music, paintings, whatever) can ONLY be viewed through the prism of the artist's supposed personality and biog. details.

Anyway, I obviously have a touch of the Melvyn Braggs today so apologies and I must go and make another coffee

I haven't read the Count of MC, Kayz. Is it good? How lovely you are a member of the library. I am ashamed to say I don't use Oxford library or Maida Vale, which I must rectify.

Oh, and if anyone's concerned about my cultural health I can assure you I have already read this week's OK from cover to cover (it was a below par issue though...

Veggiemummy · 09/02/2010 15:26

Hellooo ladies, had a lovely run around the dunes area, I think I'm going to quite love living here in summer. Picked DS1 up from school and we went by the park on the way home & fed the ducks, smashed lots of ice and generally and some fun just the 2 of us. Was lovely.

Lady I've never seen combobulating written down, I'll be able to do it in a spelling bee now.

I love love love really long books, I always get quite stuck into the books I'm Reading and don't want them to end so if they are long it takes longer before I have to leave them. Not good for travelling though. Having said that the last one I read was short. It was a Stephen Fry book called 'Making History', DH loves Mr Fry on QI so I bought him the book for Christmas, I went off him for a bit because he was nasty about Australian accents, but then I realised he was right so I've made up with him now. I had no idea what the book was about and it was a complete surprise, gets a bit quantum physicish, which I'm quite into occasionally. Not sure if it would be everyones cuppa though. I was going to download that classics app, does it work if your offline?

KiwiPanda · 09/02/2010 15:32

Veggie I have read that, I can't rememmber much about it except that it's something to do with going back in time to stop Hitler being born or is that completely wrong?? I think I enjoyed it, despite not remembering what it was about ...

Still on the subject of books, DD still doesn't show any interest in me reading to her, she generally tries to wrestle the book away from me and then whack it. Or me, with it. Am I raising a cultural philistine or does there come a magical moment when they suddenly like being read to? Or should I stop reading her Nietzsche and stick to This is Not My Lion ?

Veggiemummy · 09/02/2010 15:32

Lady libraries often have brilliant kids stuff, Reading sessions and all sorts. The library at canary wharf had a free play Reading and singing sessions which was very popular, though partly because the library was next door to a starbucks and they let you take a coffee into the session.

LadyThompson · 09/02/2010 15:33

Austalian accents are great, don't you listen to him. But for me South African accents win first prize, but that's because of my cricket team and we have always had more South Africans. For me, Southern Hemisphere voices = good times.

Oh and this is boring for anyone who hasn't read this As Byatt book but I have just googled and Fludd is based on Eric Gill so gold star for LT but Olive Wellwood is based on E. Nesbit, which has really distressed me! I hated Olive! And I heart E. Nesbit.

Veggiemummy · 09/02/2010 15:39

Kiwi that's funny about the book Reading to DD. DS2 loves being read to but is better with those books with the flaps like 'dear zoo'. Also often I read to both of them so he copies his brother when I read and observes a reverential silence sits back and listens.

Yes it was about time travel, they used a computer to track the energy signature of places at previous times in history. It was cool the alternative world he lived in in the US and the different technology they had dreamt up.

KiwiPanda · 09/02/2010 16:02

LadyT nooo! E Nesbit was fabulous, that awful self-centered Olive can't be based on her, I refuse to believe it. No one who invented the Psammead could be that hideous. [retreats into denial]

LadyThompson · 09/02/2010 16:07

I know

I love The Enchanted Castle and all the Wouldbegood stories. If it was only up to me all my children would be named after Bastable children.

All the way through I was thinking "Ooh yes, E. Nesbit was a Fabian." Not ONCE did I make the connection between her and Olive.

Veggiemummy · 09/02/2010 16:13

Oh and beans the MMR prob did cause the temp, I'm surprised not more kids gets temp and flu like symptoms as it's the bodies immune system that causes these symptoms. Anyway it's ok, there is also possibility that it is a virus that she got coincindentally.

Beans33 · 09/02/2010 16:19

Apparently it is the MMR - just back from doctors. Thanks Veggie. Whizzer has hers on Monday. Treat.

Just had a chunky kitkat. My GOD they're good!