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Broodzilla · 13/11/2009 16:11

I've just realized we're now under the "being a parent" header. I've got stage freight!

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lemontop · 09/12/2009 10:14

Morning. Isaac's been having screaming sessions in the evening again. I've tried to get him in the bath/bottle bed routine from about 7pm but he only sleeps for half an hour then screams till 10-11. I washed the sling yesterday so couldn't put him in it to calm him down. Think it might be time to get a spare. He also screamed the house down at 4am while he was waiting for his bottle to warm. My head hurts! And my period has come back already!
I'm going to try and brave central london to meet a friend for lunch with him today. Wish me luck!

ursigurke · 09/12/2009 10:26

scarlotti, interesting that you prefer sleeping on your own. I am sometimes a bit angry at my husband because he is sleeping so well and not even hearing Paula but I still prefer having him there. And sometimes he wakes up and changes a nappy. It is strange how much better that makes me feel. Even if I am awake anyway as I have to feed her. So in total, I am happy that he sleeps so well as we will probably be able to continue sharing a room.
How was your night? I hope you are feeling better.
I fed Paula at 1.30, 4 and 6 but each time just really tiny portions. And she didn't have that much yesterday during the day. Really strange as the day/night before was rather the opposite. I'm wondering if she had a growth spurt and needed a lot at first but then she needed to mainly sleep.

BBL, we have the staring in the pram here too. She used to fall asleep after a couple of meters on our walks and slept until we were back home. Now she is staring with big eyes (not the whole time). She can't even see anything interesting because of the sheepskin.
And for some reason she doesn't mind lying in her cot in the dark with open eyes. (I think she didn't really sleep yesterday during my nap, I could always hear her and it wasn't just the sleepnoises she is usually making (baby-pig here too)

Trikken · 09/12/2009 11:00

I feel like that that too Ursi,sometimes I feel like prodding him til he wakes up! actually I have done on several occasions when Annabelle wakes up and screams for a bottle I make him go make up a bottle and bring it up to bed. He did well for the first weeks but since going back to work he tends to leave everything else to me.

BeckyBendyLegs · 09/12/2009 11:36

I think mothers are only able to have light sleep for the first year of their child's life. Fathers on the other hand...

It's amazing how the world looks a far better place after a reasonable night's sleep. Yesterday I was all doom and gloom and woe is me, today I am more cheerful.

I'm getting loads of parcels in the post at the moment (internet Christmas shopping) and the DSs spent two hours yesterday playing with boxes. Who needs to buy presents when a couple of large cardboard boxes amuse so much?

scarlotti · 09/12/2009 12:08

We tried the sleeping together all the time when DS was little. I ended up stressing at night as the feeds and changes were disturbing DH (who would then grumble in his sleep) and so I would try and feed or change dirty nappies by the light of the alarm clock! This way, I get to put the lamp on and not worry, and he gets a full night's sleep ready for work.
He then gets everyone up in the morning so I can stay in bed. Just being able to doze un til 8 or 9 makes a huge difference. We miss each other so might start sleeping together again at weekends.

I had a good night thanks for asking ursi, 4am feed went well and he ate loads! He was unsettled from about 6am and has been having small snacks since so I'm wondering if we have some sort of growth spurt going on too. He ate all evening last night!
Went to the clinic this morning though and he's putting weight on well so am starting to relax more about the feeding ... slowly!!

Lots of wide eyed stares here too. At what age should we be putting them on their tummies to play on a mat etc.? I've tried him on his play gym once or twice but he seems non-plussed by it!

Tamlin · 09/12/2009 13:02

Jolyon woke up and screamed at 10 pm, 12 pm, 12.20, 12.40, 1, 1.30, 3, 3.15, and 3.40 last night. There was nothing discernably wrong with him - he just wanted a drink of water, or cuddles, or Daddy. His screaming periods coincided with Arthur's sleeping periods. I'm praying that poor DH doesn't drive off the road with exhaustion today (there is NOWHERE in our tiny house where you can't hear him roaring).

I can't believe that my newborn is sleeping better than my rotten toddler. My neighbour (mum of two) says that the penny has finally dropped with my toddler that the baby is here to stay, and I need to give him LOTS of loving attention. I feel more like dropkicking him into the river at the bottom of our garden. ARRRRRRRGH.

sleeplessinthecity · 09/12/2009 13:40

lemontop Charlotte screams from 7 to 10 every evening too..also just finished a screamathon. Its tiring. Am also sleeping in the spare room. I miss my DH but its better this way. He looks after DD1 and gets some sleep....

Lets pray to the sleep gods eh?

sleeplessinthecity · 09/12/2009 13:55

katster how goes it????.

maman2tom · 09/12/2009 14:04

I'm really struggling to keep up with the thread i feel like i've got either ds1 ou ds2 in my arms (or both at times)

becky no one ever mentions all the noise a tiny baby can make! Its driving me potty. I'm lucky as dan just wakes for feeds in the night and goes straight back to sleep...but i'm still not getting any sleep with all the noise. It's not just a baby pig, sounds like a whole baby zoo in his cot.

Finally got ds2 to sleep but almost the end of ds1s nap! so no time for a quick doze for me. Can someone remind me when it starts to get easier, trying to focus o the light at the end of the tunnel being the hope fairy and not the oncoming train

Fruitpastels · 09/12/2009 15:41

Having to cope on my own for the next 3 days whilst DH is away on business . I know I'll get through it but the tiredness I feel at the moment is not setting me up in a good mood. Luckily DS1 has pre school tomorrow and Friday morning. I'm not getting much sleep because the night time feeds are all over the place and more frequent due to baby having bad congestion, this has been going on for about 3 weeks. He really struggles of a night to feed, breathe and sleep. 2 nights ago I was up until 4am with him. The GP has listened to his chest and its all clear and said it will sort itself out. Meantime I'm feeling the pain of no sleep. Baby catches up through the days but I've got DS1 so can't get any kip myself. Oh well. They are not babies for long and I'm wanting to cling to every moment even with the difficult bits!

We have smiles this week. Bless him he looks so cute. DS1 looks a lot like my DH, DS2 is looking more like me. Who do your babies seem to take after?

BeckyBendyLegs · 09/12/2009 15:56

Fruitpastels I'm sending you lots of coping vibes - I've only had to do daytimes by myself so far. I hope you get more sleep.

Toby I think looks just like DS1 when he was a baby and DS1 looks like DH did when he was a baby.

Broodzilla · 09/12/2009 15:56

Raggie Congratulations! Had a sneaky peak at Rosa's picture on facebook, and my gosh she's gorgeous!
Katster How are you doing?
Helips at your DH's "how is Saturday any different" and then coming home late and drunk... he should get together with mine and they could marvel at how easy living with a newborn is! eyerolling emoticon Re sleeping in the carseat, when I took Lukas to the GP with his breathing problems, the GP looked at him snoozing in the carseat and said "why don't you leave him sleeping in that every now and again so that you don't have to hold him?" when I said I didn't think that was allowed he looked at me like I had two heads and said that nobody would bat an eyelid if I drove somewhere with Lukas asleep in his carseat for a couple of hours, would they. Makes sense...
Scarlotti D&V with a newborn... deary dear... you really are superwoman (and supermama!) How are you feeling now? In my "Your baby week by week" book I read that by wk 6 we need to be having them on their tummies or else they'll hate it. Missed the boat with Lukas... Comma You sound so organised and together, it's lovely to hear!
Lemon ... and you! Roast dinner! Where's the I'm impressed emoticon?
Tamlin How scary about DS dropping baby! Don't forget they're resilient little things with bendy bones. (Not that I'm saying we should start dropping them regularly...) about sleep though...

Re feeding times... For what it's worth, Lukas has been snacking at night. We co-sleep, and sometimes it's as if he just helps himself... There was some research published recently about breastmilk, and apparently the milk we make in the evenings will make babies sleepier so for those planning to bottle feed expressed milk, maybe if you express late maybe, that'll make them sleep better in the early hours of the morning? Also, I've been expressing milk and timed myself this morning. 5 minutes of expressing empties the boob and gives about 150ml (5 oz?) so I'd say a feed of a few minutes is plenty long!
Lukas spends his mornings pooping... from 5-6AM all the way until about 9AM, he's busy... and I'm not sleeping... He's been grouchy in the evenings, just wanting to be carried around. Yesterday he was awake from about 3PM until 9PM in one go... agrh, he was KNACKERED, but just wouldn't sleep... he was so irritable, it was awful. Of course, today he's spent most of the day sleeping to catch up so who knows what tonight will bring? (Although bizarrely, I find that the better he sleeps in the day, the better he will sleep at night.)
HV came around on Monday. I was fine with all the questions until she told me she'll be leaving after the holidays... I really, really like her and more importantly I really trust her. Of course, I burst into tears (and despite protesting that I cry at everything and anything these days) she'll be back again on Monday to "see how we're doing". Oh well.
Good news is, Lukas got weighed and he's now 5740 grams so he's put on tons of weight despite being ill.
He's on the 98% on both length and weight charts...
DH has promised to stay home all weekend this week, so with a bit of luck we'll get some kind of routine going with the little dude.

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BeckyBendyLegs · 09/12/2009 16:08

Broodzilla that is not bizarre at all. At this age the better they sleep in the day the better they sleep at night - that is sooo true and I am convinced it is a myth that if they sleep 'too much' in the day it affects their nighttime sleep. If they have rubbish day time naps they are cranky at night and unsettled. DS2 slept like a dream in the day and slept through the night at eight weeks and has always been a wonderful sleeper. He only gave up his daytime nap in the summer (aged 3 1/2).

Broodzilla · 09/12/2009 16:11

oh, and as far as sleeping arrangements go, Lukas is 9 weeks today and DH is still in the spare room. I don't think he's in any hurry to move back in with us, but he'll have to over the holidays when MIL comes over...

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Fruitpastels · 09/12/2009 16:15

It's me and my shadow with DS1. He can't concentrate on anything, playing, TV, DVD's, his DS games. I just don't know what to do with him. I take him out each day for a walk. He is the most energetic 4 yr old I know and he's starting to get tired whilst we're out. I think it's because baby is in the pram and DS wants a piece of that. He hasn't been in the pram since he was 2.5 yrs old! It's almost like he's unsettled in his own home. We have a playroom attached to the lounge and he hasn't been in there for weeks!! Oh and the word 'NO' doesnt' exsist to him anymore. Where has my obident, lovely boy gone?!! Sorry for the 'Me' post! It seems like a few of us are going through the same sort of issues.

Broodzilla · 09/12/2009 16:17

aah, Becky it's not all in my head then!

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Fruitpastels · 09/12/2009 16:21

I've heard a saying 'sleep breeds sleep' that was the case with DS1.

BeckyBendyLegs · 09/12/2009 16:30

Fruitpastels your lovely boy will be back. It takes time and huge amounts of tolerance from you! I remember what DS1 was like and I found it soooo hard to be nice all the time when I wanted to snap at him for acting babyish.

Sleep definitely breeds sleep. DS1 was a rubbish sleeper in the day (30-45 minute cat naps throughout the day unless we went out in the car) and as a consequence was impossible to settle at night. He'd scream and scream to the point of exhaustion.

Fruitpastels · 09/12/2009 16:36

Thanks BBL You are highly qualified in this field I'm sure. DS1 has also started to kip on the odd day without any warning. I think he's tiring himself out with the anxiety. My poor child!

scarlotti · 09/12/2009 17:13

Fruit DS1 is also 4 and has been complaining he's tired all the time. Hadn't linked it myself but maybe it is the unsettledness. He is starting to be more like his former self but it's a slow process.
The other day he was wanting my attention but baby was crying for milk, so he grabbed my boob and put it in baby's mouth so he'd be quiet!!
I also get requests to do stuff just as I've sat down to feed.

They definitely sleep better if they sleep more in the day. Too little sleep makes them too wound up to sleep at night.

Glad it's not just us in separate rooms!

fruit re congestion, you can prop up the basket so his head is higher to help and also try putting some albas oil drops on a hanky and hang it by his basket as the menthol will help.

Tamlin hope Jolyon is more settled today. Can't imagine how frustrated you are though, just as Arthur settles at night ... and count to 10 and breathe ..!

Noise wise ... Ioan cries in his sleep as well as all the snuffly noises. Guaranteed to get me leaping out of bed at night but hardly seems to wake him at all

FairyBex · 09/12/2009 18:16

Hi all, i?ve been awol for a while but finally in a position to join in again so here?s a mammoth post to start...

Benjamin Callum was born just over 3 weeks ago. He was 2 weeks early but the birth was pretty normal. I started getting pains on Monday night and they went from being every 12 mins to every 5 mins by 1am. I phoned the labour ward as i was being closely monitored because of high blood pressure and asked to come in ? i was due in the next day for monitoring and a consultant appointment.

I got there at 3am and was hooked up to a monitor. The consultant came to see me at 8am and as my blood pressure was even higher despite lots of medication he offered me a choice between more tsblets or an induction. To see what the chances were of a successful induction were he did an internal exam and said i was 3cm dilated and would have a baby within 24 hours! Cue another 12 hours of pains every 4/5 mins, lots of monitoring and constant pacing as the pains were longer and more intense if i lay or sat down. My waters broke around 9pm and shortly after i asked for more than gas and air so they gave me pethidine, which had no effect at all and 1 1/2hrs and lots of pushing later, ben was born. I'd been awake for 39hours by then!

The first thing I remember when the midwife picked him up was saying how small he was. We?d had lots of growth scans because of my blood pressure so had been fairly confident at that stage he was just over 6lbs, in fact he was 4lbs 14oz, just an ounce over the limit for going to the special care unit straight away.

We went to the post natal ward and over the next 3 days ben had his blood sugar levels checked most hours, each time with a heel prick so his poor skinny heels were trashed, and even the midwives were reluctant to keep doing it. He was struggling to feed enough to maintain his temperature and sugar levels so after 3 days and a v horrid night he was admitted to the special care unit and had a tube inserted to feed him and went on continuous feed straight in to his tummy to stabilise him. I called DH and told him and then the next morning I was watching the army being dispatched to my home town in Cumbria because of the flooding and trying to figure out if DH could get to the hospital or if all the roads were closed off! Thankfully he could still get here.

Over the next week and a half he was taken off continuous feeds and on to 2 hourly feeds, then 4 hourly with some breastfeeds with top ups with me expressing so he mainly had breastmilk. Me and dh were able to room in at the unit after a few days with ben in our room.

It was really hard with daily weigh-ins meaning good days when he?d put on weight and very down days when he?d lost weight. Well-meaning people advising things like ?just feed him if he?s hungry? as though I wasn?t doing that anyway didn?t help my state of mind or confidence. I also had the suggestions that I should give up trying to breastfeed and formula feed him which made me feel as though I was keeping him in hospital unnecessarily, although all the nurses, midwives and feeding advisors were great at trying to reassure me I was doing the best for him.

After 10 days in special care we were discharged with me bf ben with top ups of expressed milk at the end of each feed. We went back 2 days later for a weigh in and he?d put on 3oz and today he?s put on another 11oz so now weighs a grand 5lb 14oz!

I sympathise with everyone who?s having bad days, I am too. Yesterday I spent most of the day in tears as ben was v gassy and couldn?t feed properly. In the end we switched to formula for the day as I think it was something I ate the day before that caused i,t but my confidence in my mothering skills are so low that I found it difficult to cope with any change in his (barely established) routine or temperament.

I?m trying to take it 1 day at a time but tiredness is a big factor here. So to cut a long story short, I?m glad it?s not just me. I hope to have more time on here now we?re at home and dh i s back at work as i definitely appreciate the support on here

weston · 09/12/2009 19:49

congratulations fairybex

breast-feeding question - DD appears hungry but keeps crying out while feeding..is she:

(a) not really hungry...
(b) milk coming too fast..
(c) milk coming too slow...or
(d) cause she can

??

ursigurke · 09/12/2009 19:56

(e) because the milk doesn't taste good or as usual
(f) she is in pain because of wind/digestion

sorry, not helping. In our case it is usually either b or f

scarlotti · 09/12/2009 20:06

weston it's normally b or f here too. Ioan cries and fusses at the breast a lot. The kellymom site I linked to earlier has some great advice on what the causes can be and what to do.
As you are also in the 10 min feeding camp, I'd suggest your let down is fast. The football hold is good for that as it squirts the milk to an easier part of baby's mouth. Also, try leaning back on cushions so the milk has to go uphill.
Ioan cries at the end too, this is normally because he wants to suck for comfort but doesn't want the milk flowing out so fast. I use a dummy then.
All the crying and fussing increases their air intake too hence the wind!

Hope that helps!

ButterPie · 09/12/2009 21:26

Argh! Loads to catch up on!

Just dropping in to tell you I've changed my name on here to ButterPie.

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