radical cross stitch, theological debate, Easter bunnies, changing bags,and a baby brother...it must be June 08!

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Welcome to our new thread .

Because it is difficult Sponge, and while your mum will manage perfectly well for a few hours there will be tricky bits in there. And she won't be doing it with the added disadvantage of very little sleep. I know it seems incredibly tough now, but I promise you it will get better - hang in there.

DS1 got told off for talking at school yesterday and today has to stay in for 3 minutes at break. He was so upset about it this morning that refused to go to school. I got him to the gate and then he refused to go in so I had to take him to reception and get the headmistress to fetch him in, by this stage he was in floods of tears. She was lovely and very matter of fact about it but by then I was upset too. I feel so useless as I just don't know how to help him learn that self-control that he seesm to be lacking. I might start a thread and see if anyone has any advice.

ktpie, I get annoyed at playgroup too when people don't watch their kids but then it is easy to get distracted and not watch especially when you have more than one to watch! The mum should step in and give the toy back but if they don't I just put it down to learning experience ie sometimes unfair things like having toys taken off you will happen so just get on with it .

Sponge, yeah I know about the Christians taking the pagan festivals but what I meant was no one celebrated Easter ie the resurrection of Christ before Christianity . FWIW the ritualistic nature of Christianity really gets on my tits and Jesus hated it too - I can see why people get frustrated at the 'controlling' nature of organised religion, because really the only thing that matters is that Jesus lived, he died and he rose again (and will come again), all the rest is just human 'stuff'.

Spider, it's linked with Passover because Jesus, as a Jew, celebrated Passover just before his death (the last supper). So AFAIK Easter Sunday is always the first Sunday after Passover

I realise that Jesus was a Jew Neenz, but what I meant was why does Passover move around according to the lunar calendar? Sorry for not expressing myself properly.

Neenz - I didn't really explain but it was more the threatening behaviour that concerned me rather than the toy taking, J was just a little bewildered when the toys were taken from him and my thoughts were similar to yours, that's life type of thing. The mother of one of the girls just moved them both away from him. I think I may have said something to his mother if it had been J he had cornered. Thing is his mum wasn't distracted, she was oblivious, if I had been taking a much older and fairly disruptive kid to something with babies and toddlers I would like to think I would at least make some effort to keep an eye on them. I haven't been in that situation though and I'm sure in a few years I will be the one with the disruptive kid running riot while I gaze into space. It's partly a personality clash and I'm feeling increasingly antagonistic towards this woman. Sorry rant over!

Sybil - I have no idea about schools, is it normal to have the punishment the next day? It seems a little mean to make a young kid wait and worry about what is going to happen.

Taking away break time is a standard punishment Ktpie, so if they are naughty after lunch when there are no more breaks then it rolls over to the next day. This is very difficult for ds1 though as he has worried about it so much that he has blown it totally out of proportion. Partially the problem is that he is never normally naughty and this is the first time he has been punished.

Oh Sybil, that's sad. Hopefully once it is over and he realises it was not so bad he will not worry so much next time.

Sorry Spider , I suppose with Easter always being linked to Passover they both move in accordance with the moon. Passover begins on the 14th day of the month of Nisan, which corresponds to the full moon of Nisan, the first month of the Hebrew calendar. (from Wiki )

Sponge, meant to say before, of course your mum can come in and just feed and change two babies - but you have to do much more than that (food shop, clean, cook, wash, iron!) so don't worry if you don't get round to doing everything or feel things are getting on top. Especially when you are up so much in the night - I just have a very low standard now as there are not enough hours in the day!

I do not get at all - I thought it was a kiss face [blurgh], is it supposed to be blowing a raspberry or something

It means 'i have nothing to say on the subject' I think Neenz. I think it's poking fun at biscuitgate.

Oh right, like i am not telling you what my favourite biscuit is.

So is it supposed to be a biscuit?

I still don't get it - if you have nothing to say on the matter, don't post!

Passover is dated according to the date of the Exile, I think, which happened around a moon, therefore v. early dating etc. But this is really early history and it's a bit murky!

I think is an ugly little emoticon! But I'm a bit scared of and looks evil.

KTpie - I had to laugh at you calling the woman the coat thief! SOme kids can be awful at playgroups. I was at one and a boy of aboput three was being really obnoxious, he scrathced a 1 year old and then my dd2 who was about 2 at the time. His mother was chatting in the kitchen so I told her not very politley in front of her friends that she really needed to look after her child and then showed her the damage her had done to my dd and the other boy (he drew blood on both). She grabbed her son and smacked him then dragged him out the the hall and home. She igves me evil loks everytime I see her now and it was over three years ago! I understand that her son was obviously very hard work and she probably saw playgroup as a bit of a respite but he was always hurting someone.

Goodness my spelling was awful in the last post

Ooh, I quite like the biscuit. It's quite jammie dodger-esque. I'm on the Passover and Easter chat .

Studying going well today - the subject is much more in my comfort zone and more interesting. Thanks for asking [deb]

am currently awaiting our cranky old computer booting up so I can look up references. Me and technology not getting on so well just now. The sky box is def on it's last legs and I really resent that Sky charge long serving customers £149 for a new one but new customers pay £49. Virgin don't do our area and we don't have a roof ariel so even freeview would be expensive up front.

My other iPod which cost about £300 3 years ago has officially been pronounced dead by the nice Apple people and we've hardly ever used it. I only dusted it off to set it up in the living room with the unused speakers we got a year and a half ago in replacement for our old stereo. The speakers do work with my iPod touch, but I'd been planning on selling this to pay for my iPhone, but may need to keep it for the living room. It's only 8gb though so not tons of storage.

Sorry, how dull and moany of me! Computer working so back to the study!

The speaker

Oops for random 'the speaker'

Easter varies because it's associated with the Jewish passover but they don't always vary in step, which is a bit odd. I've never understood why exactly but my mother teaches in an orthodox jewish school in toronto (she's their token Christian) and every once in a while the holidays don't coincide.

I find it interesting how little importance Christmas had in the Christian year in early medieval times (Essie, I've no idea if that's the right terminology) and then up here in Scotland after the reformation.

I am so behind on everything else I'm not going to try to catch up - hugs to sponge for sleep deprivation and hugs to Rolf re hair...

Abdn lol at "token Christian". My SiL used to be known at work as "the Aryan"

I am officially bored. I'm on call tonight, and have been sitting in the CT room waiting to scan a patient since 2015. unfortunately they're not well enough to come, but might be soon, and I have to keep sitting here in case they can bring the patient up. I can't even see any fireworks from in here.

i like the it's surely a jammie dodger?

I thought might be a xmas emoticon, the red nose representing rudolph. Opps.

Now you see I thought it looked like one of these and presumed MN had been avidly following our easter discussion.

Goingto- she will always be the coat thief in my head, even when the coat turns up in the bottom of one of my bags! Yes I have taken a dislike to her. Am I coming across as a level headed stable kind of person?

BDQ - it annoys me how modern technology doesn't seem to be made to last anymore. Old technology lasts forever, I still have a walkman somewhere in the loft that is full of sand but still works fine, we still use an amp and speakers from the eighties and late nineties mobiles used to keep going forever. Nowadays you are lucky if something lasts a year. Right rant over.

Viva - hope your night improved.

hello! just marking place. Took L to dr.s, possibly asthma but he has responded v. well to inhaler and steroids and back to his usual bouncy self now.

some v. quick bits:

Rolf I'm still bfeeding and my hair goes through phases of falling out in chunks, think it's when she cuts down a bit. Agree with Essie, get a good cut.

Neenz football over party of course, but also wanted to ask: are you red or blue? (If red, might be better to avoid football completely for a while!!)

Oh I agree totally ktpie. Irons are another thing. I had an old one of my mothers for about a decade after I left home - have been through god knows how many since then. The tv and video I had when I left uni lasted me years, and were still in great nick when I passed them on. The guys in my IT dept tell me that you shouldn't realistically expect a computer to work well for more than 3 years. Ridiculous. And now I sound like my mother .

Exam nerves are clearly making me a bit ranty!

I'm using a 29 year old sewing machine that was my MILs. It works like a dream and I know that if it ever breaks, I'll have to settle for a modern one that's nowhere near as reliable and robust. Things aren't made as well now as they used to be. a

sa sorry to hear about L's potential asthma. Fingers crossed he is okay, glad the inhaler is working.

I agree new technology is crap. We bought three new cookers in the past 7 years and after the second one died I asked the chappy in the shop which one to buy so that it would actually last. He said that two years is the standard life for all modern cookers now and recommended not buying an expensive one!

SA - hope L is ok. If it is asthma maybe he will grow out of it really quickly. I do think my ds is (very slowly) growing out of his chronic ezcema. It is still there, but no where near as bad.

DS1 was fine at school yesterday after his initial upset. Apparently his teacher asked him not to cry as seeing him cry makes her want to cry. She then asked him to try extra hard for her that morning and when he did she told him he didn't have to stay in after all, because he had made such an excellent effort. She obviously kept a really close eye on him for the rest of day, because he said then when his friend tried to talk to him in pe he refused to even look at him, and the teacher came over to say how pleased she was he had ignored him. I have to say, I am really impressed with how she has handled it. He was really keen to go to school this morning and try hard for her again.

I'm still bfeeding, althou trying to cut it down a little. J still feeds at least 5 times a day and 2times a night. They are often really short energy/comfort boosts though so I doubt he gets very much milk each time. I have started giving him around 3oz in the evening to supplement his bf and I aim to increase ths while reducing the number of times he feeds in the evening. Then I will do the same for the morning/afternoon feeds. This is the master plan anyway!

Sybil, it sounds like the teacher handled it really well, and that your DS is going to be on his best behaviour now .

Systems, I am blue - manchester blue that is . My DH is a Liverpool fan - not a happy bunny atm!!

ktpie, i suppose there will always be some parents who don;t bother watching their tearaway kids, that's probably why they are tearaways. I would never have the balls to do what you did, Going! Well done for that.

I have a friend who was 40+2 wks PG with twins, she posted on the multiples thread this morning that she'd been having pains so was going in to hospital, and has just posted again (just a few hours later) to say she'd had them! I met her on MN but she only lives about 5 miles away so we have met in RL too. She has two older kids as well. Extreme parenting!

oh I'm still BFing too, just bedtime and mornings... I think it's probably the time to quit but I'm broody at the moment and it's making me a bit sad to think of quitting, sort of like saying my baby has grown up!

sybil the teacher sounds excellent, how lovely for you!

Now manchester blue we can live with (manchester red might have been a different thing entirely)! Dp is a liverpool fan too, which is rather adding to the stress at home at the moment....

Thanks for concern about L, I was half expecting it tbh with his eczema and dust mite allergies. And yes sybil fingers crossed he will grow out of this too - his eczema is vastly improved now as well, from what it was when he was a baby.

Glad I'm not the only one still bfeeding. Any tips on gentle weaning gratefully received though, it still takes up quite a lot of time in the day, and that bedtime feed really knocks me out for the evening. I'm all for relaxing bfeeding hormones but nowadays I need to do more in the evenings than slump on the sofa!! She has never taken a bottle so there are no easy substitutes and she is EXTREMELY strong willed ....

40+2 with twins - v. impressed!! bet the docs were getting nervous!