radical cross stitch, theological debate, Easter bunnies, changing bags,and a baby brother...it must be June 08!

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Welcome to our new thread .

Lol Neenz, I did wonder who on earth she was tbh!!

Sponge, I assume she clicked through from my home page cos on my home page it said "Neenz commented on Sponge's link" so hopefully that means none of my other friends saw it (cos only an Aunty can stalk you that impressively!) so hopefully no one is offended! I'd be devastated if they were cos it was people who I don't really know that well (friends of friends really) which is why I was surprised they bought pressies for T and E - but they are on my FB so really wouldn't want to upset them. Just goes to show you should be very careful what you write on FB even if you think you know who can and cannot see it!

Bit like MN really [worried]

You're right - people completely forget how open FB is and I can't believe the stuff people write sometimes!

My friend's dh was rushed to hospital on Wednesday with heart problems - their son is in Oz at the moment and one of their other son's friends wrote on his FB page "hope your father is ok" without any thought that his brother would read that before they had a chance to talk to him . Luckily they deleted it before he saw it.

FWIW your aunt is right - we just made agreements with all our friends not to bother as it gets crazy expensive .

Hi all. I also thought it was weird what the doctor said about smoking. Hmmm. He was about 50 but Zita West consults at the clinic so would imagine they must have an idea about what she does. Still I have had my blood tests back and it looks like bad news so doesn't really matter about MArk's sperm I also have a problem. My AMH level is very low which gives an indication of egg reserve. It's also something to do with the follicles but I can't quite work it our. Basically it means I have low fertility. It also means I probably won't respond too well to stimulating hormones so IVF will also be difficult. Not impossible though. I need to discuss with Mark about donor eggs. It means the baby won't biologically be mine though. I feel a bit sick.

Sybil, Luke is always hurting himself. I think that's the only way they learn though so I guess he won't be falling off any more chairs. Since Luke's stairs accident he has sudenly become very good at going down stairs!

Hi to everyone else and Puree glad you are not banned any more! x

Good for you Sponge. Not only is it crazy expensive but you end up with a house full of tatt your DCs never play with! Re-giving/recycling gifts is the way to go. I have done this a couple of times this year with books as the DTs have about 100 they never read! So I just wrapped them up and gave them to someone else

x-posted Amber - I am so sorry

Will they try Clomid first - maybe a high dose? Big hugs to you, don't give up yet, it doesn't sound like there is no way you can have a baby of your own so try to stay positive. I am hoping and praying everything works out for you.

Wow, Amber, that must have been such a shock for you - so sorry to hear that. A low AMH does suggest poor response to IVF as it means you won't produce many follicles which means very few eggs. Having said that, Alex was the result of an IVF cycle that produced one mature egg so it's never completely hopeless.

However, you may be getting ahead of yourself as I would suggest it might be worth getting a second opinion. I don't know which clinic you're at but both the UCH and Lister are highly regarded fertility clinics if you're open to going elsewhere. Or there is of course the ARGC. It seems such drastic change from conceiving Luke so easily to needing donor eggs in only two years .

If you want to do more research on clinics/results/egg donation then fertility friends is worth a look.

Watching G&S for you. Was the joke Owain Hughes?

yes!

didn't get it! According to the internet, it might be to do with 'owing', or, Owain Hews (vomits)? Or, it may be something which will become clear later.

The vicar, and also Gwen, Doris and Dave are all v. well known Welsh actors! It's really funny seeing them here.

Amber lots of hugs, sorry you're getting this crap news and I hope it's not as bad as it seems now.

Lol Essie, well if you didn't get it I don't feel so bad for not getting it either, Welsh not being my first language and all!

p.s. sponge how are you today? I hope you're surviving - that's all you need to do at this stage!

Sponge I am at the Lister already. Yes a shock. Don't understand how i got Luke so easily. Can things deterioirate that much so quickly?

Off tp watch G&S now I~ know the jokw!

Ok, a proper post now.
Deb funny, I'm having the same dilemma about leaving Iestyn for one night next week (and another to go to London for 1 night). I've done it before and he was fine; but that time DH was around. This time it's with my Mum.

Amber that sounds like crap news, but it might not be as bad as it sounds? I don't know much about it but they might still be able to harvest from you. And even if you use a donor egg, it will still be your baby. (Always remember, folks, that my Mum was adopted so we're all v. flexible on the whole 'my own child' issue. Kate&Kate are also adopting.)

Ktpie I did the video again tonight! [smug but flabby] It's Davina's one, but not the pre/post natal one (bit late for me too on that! ) and it's really good. I like Davina because she has a good figure but a realistic one; Cindy Crawford's video wasn't so good - I kept thinking yeah, I can exercise all I like but until I grow at least 10 inches and have lovely long limbs I'm never going to look anything like that. Sybil holding a cross and clove of garlic - chocolate! Pah! (God, I'd kill for some now...)

Hi to everyone else - Neenz, Sponge, Abdn, Rolf.

Big news here - I have a job interview on Thursday (thanks guys, e-mail at 4.10 today - 3 working days to prepare. ). I also have a meeting with the VC and the Head of HR at my own institution - hopefully before the interview, and hopefully they come up with the goods. Or just some goods - any goods!

It wasn't a Welsh joke - it's not funny in the Welsh language anyway. And it will totally p* off everyone called Owain Hughes. (I know one of them, but I also know 2 Owain Roberts and 2 Owain Jones. And my brother's middle name is Owain.)
That's the thing with G&S - it's Welsh but not as I know it!

Well that's cos it's set in south Wales Essie, which as we all know is like England Lite !

AH, I'm ok, going slightly loopy with sleep deprivation but getting strangely used to it . Looked after A last night and had to CC from 12 til 2.30am . But an improvement on the night before and he slept til 8am .

I am ridiculously excited about going shopping with a girlfriend tomorrow baby-free - I don't think I'm going to sleep tonight with the anticipation, it's more exciting than Christmas (can you tell I don't get out much on my own!!?!) .

Amber, I'm no expert on AMH levels and how fast they deterioate, but you only have to look at my history to see what a weird and unpredictable thing fertility can be.

If we'd conceived M first (and remember we weren't even trying when he was conceived and had sex once that month) we probably would have considered ourselves an extremely fertile couple, so would have got a nasty shock if No 2 hadn't happened and then I found out my tubes were blocked .

Having said that, you need to speak to your consultant again about your results and what they mean, and I would still try out another clinic for a 2nd opinion.

Give yourself some time to absorb the news, do some research and speak to the experts. I know how devastating it is to be given these kind of results and you need time to get your head around it and decide on next steps. Big hugs.

Good post Sponge .

Yes, well done Sponge. You really know your stuff. You should use what you know to help others (well, you just did, duh!).

Morning all. S going through an early waking/disturbed night phase again so I've been awake for a while!

Amber I'm really sorry that you didn't get the kind of news you'd hoped for but hope that Sponge's posts helped.

On Christmas presents etc Neenz - we had a lightly different problem. After years of buying decent presents for our friends with children, I was quite insulted by some of the very cheap tat gifts some of them got in return, never mind the person who didn't even acknowledge his bday! And don't get me started on my cousin who didn't buy S as much as a card, but managed to send a thank you card for the bday gift we sent his son with a mention 'i hope S enjoyed his birthday'. Also have a relative who said last Christmas, why don't we just buy for the DC's from now on. Fine in principle, if you ignore the fact that She happily accepted gifts for her, her DH and DD for years, and the idea only came into her head before S's first Christmas. Oh, I'm on a rant now!

BDQ - we have a similar christmas present thing. My five older brothers all have kids that we bought for for more than ten years, and then when ds was born they decided not to buy for kids anymore. Given they have about 15 kids between them we are seriously out of pocket. You have to just let it go though, its not worth the timw you will devote to fuming about it.

Amber I'm so sorry to hear about your results. I hope you get more, and better news from a second opinion.

Hope the shopping isn't too exhausting Sponge!

You're so right sybil. I'd be fuming at your brothers though . Neenz in your situation I would probably by one present back for those whose parents bought the twins and then have a chat about not buying presents. I think most p's are relieved not to have to buy loads of presents (as long as it's done fairly )

Hi all- trying and failing to keep up.

amber am so sorry about your news it must have been a horrible shock so I am not surprised you couldn't take it all in. sponge great post - would defo echo second opinion.

Essie good luck with interview.

deb go- my experience of leaving e alone for one night was she didn't care one bit! So it will be fine

purée glad you are back.

Sybil neenz and bdq your present rants are justified. Have a little of that with bil which doesn't irk me as much as the fact it seems to be spiced by a nasty dose of second wife syndrome. Dh and him fell out in a big way over his behaviour regarding divorce. I wouldn't care for me as wouldn't piss on the bloke if he was on fire but I don't want e to suffer. Had a fair bit of you are not your dads real daughter and know it hurts.

Sorry will catch up when read all posts but didn't want to leave amber post unanswered. Hi to everyone else -in France where It is wet and cold so much for my Xmas shopping plans now...