August 2009 Welcome to the world all of the little princes and princesses!

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I would like to say congratulations to everyone that joins us on this thread and I am looking forward to hearing lots of birth stories and interesting developments of about our beautiful babies

whats baby yoga???
our sleep is the same, dnt worry

It is a free thing my local council do - an hour and there is singing and kind of bending your baby about. She seemed to really like it - the teacher also showed us some stretches to help with wind and some exercises for the Mums. I would recommend it!

Hiya, still here and swearing, ds1 gave ds2 juice yesterday - I figured it was annoying but not enough to get worked up about, but within a short while bubs was a bit cranky and still is - foaming poo and vomiting back a good portion of every feed. Just read on another thread that a babies gut is porous to large molecules with can then enter the bloodstream and that ingesting stuff other than breastmilk can mess up the gut flora for up to 4 weeks I really really hope he's not going to have an upset tummy for too long, poor little man won't let me put him down...

Hope everyone is doing ok..

KKCQ gosh hope bubs is on the mend soon, that is awful, am wondering what DS1 will get up to behind my back just haven;t braved leaving them for long in the same room together yet.

well things are getting a bit easier here. DS2 is a lot easier to handle than DS1 but maybe that is because I have quite low expectations. He still feeds 2-3 times a night, although did give us one night when all he did was feed at 2am . Night poo situation has improved too, the last few nights we have had no poo at night.. woohoo.. although I still change his nappy anyway if he is feeding too much at night as it is so so wet it can soak through.

He is smiling more now and is a lot more alert during the day, but can only get him to sleep for 45mins max in his cot (but forever in the pram!!)

My big fear at the moment is gagging. DS2 scared me a few nights ago when I put him down again after his feed and he woke up gagging then projectile vomited his feed , i think he had some wind that I didn;t get rid of with lots of milk on top of it but still was v frightening. He seems to for some reason wake up struggling to swallow his spittle and I think that is why I am feeding him a lot at night as after a few scary episodes I pick him up so he is upright... anyonelses little ones doing this? I just don;t seem to remember it with DS1

oh and 1st jabs are next week.. I am so not looking forward to it. I cried buckets with DS1....

Hi all. kkcq. The worst mine have done so far to DS2 is to put a muslin cloth on his face momentarily whilst I was out the room.

Cairns certainly my DS vomits more if he's got wind, e.g. all over the floor when I'm carrying him frontwards with one arm round his middle and doing 3 other things with the other hand. That is a good one for vomit. Often I don't even notice he's beein sick till I accidently stand in it (sigh).

We had injections yesterday and the predictable crankiness afterwards. Today I think I've got a blocked milk duct so trying to get rid of that. Think it's cos he's had a cold, so feeding less well and we've been out and about alot which seems to shorten his feeds down. So probably haven't always been draining the boobs properly. Plus he's cut down night feeding e.g. last night was 10.15pm through to 4.50am. Not that I'm complaining about the extra sleep(!) but do want the bf to keep going well...

Hope everyone is having a nice day. Trying to decide what to get DD for her third birthday. Any ideas? We have run out of room and don't want anymore toys with little bits to lose! I was thinking a smallish trampoline for the garden but DH says its the wrong time of year (duh, of course it is nearly winter. I'm in denial because it has been v. sunny lately).

well ladies, glad to have found yous, was wonderin were all my august buddies went to. my boys are doing well, they were 11 weeks yesterday, introduced them to formula at 6 weeks. unfortunately i just couldnt keep up with the demands of breastfeeding twins, i know its possible but i just found it too hard. i tried solely expressing and then topping up with formula when i first introduced the bottles that worked for about a fortnight until my milk dwindled away, my fault for getting lazy and cutting out the night time expressing. i couldnt believe how quick the milkers dried up. getting into a sleeping routine thankfully, boys feed every 3 hours mostly so at night now when they go down at around 11pm and wake around 2am i just put the dummies back in there mouth and they fall asleep then til about 5.30 and then i feed them. they are sharing a cot, so when one starts twistin i lift him into my bed, usually the other will wake soon after and i lift him in as well, after the 5.30 feed i just keep them in the bed. everyone is telling me im foolish and pay for it later but i just so tired & couldnt be bothered standing over a cot holding dummies in at that time of the morning cuz they seem to be wide awake but quickly fall asleep when they're in with me.

Im interested to know your sleeping patterns and does your little ones sleep no bother after there middle of the night feed? I find they sometimes fall asleep as they're been fed but then when i wind them it totally wakes thems again, if they stayed sleepy i could probably slip them into the cot not bother. Any advice would be great.

Valz i think you did really well getting to six weeks - i'm bfing now but would have given up long ago (straightaway?) with two.

For the night feeds my little one does first half of feed with eyes firmly closed - but mouth going like a good un. She then wakes up properly when i change her (have to always dirty) and is really alert - but gradually gets more sleepy as the rest of the feed continues. this is generally a bit stpo start and normally the point she's had enough is when she's fallen asleep and then not woken up after a couple of minutes.

Cairns - my DS had his injections today and has been really fretful all evenining. He seems to want to comfort feed which has led to his usual sickiness. He also does that strange gagging thing and then vomits everywhere. Earlier i had him on my knee facing me rocking him to get some wind up and he covered me in vomit. so much so not a single item of clothing came away from it clean. I hate it when he does the gagging thing as sometimes it's like he is having a fit of somekind.

Valz - my DS usually has a feed between 10 and 11 then sleeps till about 3ish and I normally try and settle him and end up with him in bed! Then feed around 4 to 5ish and am usually half asleep for this feed so invariably he stays in bed as i drift off after winding him. I keep getting the foolish and you'll pay for it but i figure a mummy who has had some sleep is better than an exhausted wreck who is more likely to get frustrated.

One hand typing seems to be getting easier

Hi everybody, just a quick mention if you are b/feeding and going more than 4 hrs between feeds make sure you have some contraception because your cycle can restart at that point. Sorry if tmi but deffo worth mentioning...

bubs still puking and doing translucent mustard poo with no bits in it, but at least its not foaming or green any more HV reckons 2-4 weeks to get his gut back to normal and he's dropped a centile at his weigh in today

Valz, mines in bed with me too, they all have been and I haven't paid for it yet.

Hi Everyone

I've not had much time to post, sorry hope everyone is going OK with their growing babes.

KitKAT- poor ds, how much juice did he actually have? although i knew it wouldn't be good to have juice, i didn't think it could upset a baby so much, I hope he's better soon.
thanks for the contraception tip, and that would be really important for me to know, IF dh actually wanted to come near me

Josie -Hopefully the vomiting will settle down soon, my dd (3 months now)no longer brings back any of her milk at night and it's getting less and less during the day.

Harimo- my 4 year old and 2 year old are addicted to their milk, (cup and bottle) now they see the baby and they want milk even more often!!!

My dd is 3 months old today she's a really good baby and I hate to boast but she sleeps really well, you'll all hate me if I told you how long, so i won't but it's nice to have a good sleeper for a change. Her hair is growing like crazy, I can almost put it is a pig tail very weird to me to have a baby with hair. Not much else to report.
I had an LOL when can't remember who said their last bit of weight promtly solidified I can relate to that not sure I can shift the last bit without mega exercise I have no time for right now.

hi everyone, i'm one hand typing too, still bf-ing.
eda does a kind of gagging thing too and choking/cough, always in middle of night in dark, terrifies me as it sounds like she struggles to catch her breath for ages after.
we totally haven't got sleeping times sorted. those first 6 weeks were all about battling flu and congestion so i kept eda upright in sling or on my/ dh's chest to sleep in day and kicked dh on to sofa at night cos i was scared she might have trouble to breath or gag on feed in sleep.
so now she won't sleep in her bed or pram.
if she's slightly awake when i put her down she'll scream like mad until she's picked up or if she's sleeping will wake up within minutes. i keep perservering but i'd love to know how you all 'settle' your babes to sleep
in the night she has last feed around 11pm and sleeps till 4/5am i bring her into bed to feed and she usually goes right back to sleep after winding or sucks a little half heartedly so doesn't need another burp before sleep.
kitkat hope your ds recovers soon, i've given dd orange juice and sugar in water on dr advice for constipation, reluctantly but it worked. it's hard work policing older kids though. i have to take 2yr old dd with me to loo etc so she's never alone with baby, she's always trying to lie on her, touch her eyes, bounce her chair etc, poor baby
last word.. isn't it mad how fast our babies are growing no longer newborns already

Hi Mamamila, Just to clarify Which dd did the doc tell you to give orange juice and sugar in water to? I'm really hoping that it wasn't your new one because breastfed babies can go for weeks without pooing at all. Its normal. I'll post a link in a minute to explain why ds has an upset tummy, because several people have asked.

This ds is totaly diferent to my others too and has stopped feeding to sleep. but doesn't want to be put down, que shouting and crossness and being carried about lots.

This is the link I read which worried me about the juice and I have now spoken to 2 HV and a nursery nurse, mention virgin gut and the response from all was "oh we aren't supposed to tell mums about it but yes thats why he's sick..." Saying that they see it a lot with subsequent kids from the older ones being helpful. They did say it could have been worse, but whether the whole virgin gut thing is true or not it does seem to be related, and I suspect he got quite a bit.

Virgin Gut

Whats done is done.

oooh just noticed the halloween smileys...

hi kitkat, interesting article. yes dr advised orange juice in water for new dd2 at only 6 weeks as she hadn't pooed for a week. i wasn't keen but dr insisted i must if i wanted to help my baby, you know that style dr's have that makes you obedient and then later you burn with indignation that you didn't stick to your guns.
it did actually work though, baby guzzled it up and pooed within an hour and was visibly relieved and slept peacefully

i'm really clueless about settling to sleep, this dd doesn't really feed to sleep either and won't be put down so i'm constantly holding her too and don't really know what to do about it!

Hi all

Things are getting slightly easier here, I am getting more used to the logistics of having 2 as DS2 is a bit more predictable. I am soo tired with all the night feeds I feel like a walking zombie some days, but hey this phase doesn't last long so I am trying to enjoy it as much as I can and am already getting when I see v newborn wrinkly babies.

re settling to sleep with DS2, he is actually pretty good and has surprised me as DS1 was a nightmare. Our routine is we just have a cuddle and v gentle rock (his head in my elbow bit of my arm, tummy to tummy) while I pat his back at the same time until he falls asleep/gets v drowsy . When I see his eyes do the 7mile stare and when they do that roll up thing, I put him down, but keep my hand on his tummy for 20seconds once he is in his cot . he actually stays down once I transfer him .

If he wakes in the middle of the night I assume it is hunger as I found with DS1 that if I cuddle to sleep he woke up 45mins later with hunger anyway!! and I am lazy. After a feed I wind him then put him straight down, pretty much drowsy. I find if I haven't got the wind up then he is difficult to settle. so I wind again then re-feed for a bit on the same breast, until he has had enough but then put him straight down without winding (as the feed is soo sleepy and slow with hindmilk he doesn't get wind).

It has been odd re settling as he isn't a sucky baby , if he is overtired then he just wants a cuddle to sleep rather than suckling as he gets annoyed with the milk coming too fast and often refuses to go near my breast. He won't go anywhere near a dummy either. This is frustrating for his last feed of the evening as I need him to feed to sleep longer at night, he is soo overtired I end up half settling him with a cuddle and then feeding him when drowsy (odd!!),

With DS1 he was very very sucky and all he would do to settle was feed to sleep, he would wake up a lot when transferring to the cot then it was a viscious circle of feed again and then put down. I didn;t use a dummy but in hindsight I should have done, as I was the dummy.

Hope that helps, I guess my 2 babies have been very different, and given DS1 was a PITA to settle, I must have tried everything.. but just goes to show every baby is so different you just have to try different things and see what works.

crikey.. sorry for the mammoth post...must be sick of talking to DC's

Hi everyone I thought I would attempt to join in as my dd was an August baby too, born on the 28th

Hi gemmac1 - how's it all going with your dd? She must be around 7 weeks now? Is she your first baby?

cairns - that's good you have a settling routine going! I don't think we do! Sometimes DS2 feeds to sleep. Sometimes he falls asleep by himself in chair or occasionally in the middle of the floor where he's been kicking . During the week he often falls asleep in the sling on the school/nursery runs but then wakes up as soon as I get him out again when we arrive home!

It's lovely now he's started to chuckle a little bit! I have photos of DS1 at around the same age and they look like twins!

We're all a bit full of cold here. DD has the worst of it with a hacking cough and a temperature. She was ratty all day and went to bed at 5pm...

PS dh has the cold as well but decided the office a better bet than taking the day off sick. I wonder why....he had said he might come home and I had already mentally prepared a list of things for him to do. Well it's not as though I can go and lie in my bed anytime, ill or not!!!

Hi Mamamila, I am amazed that your gp told you to give your baby orange juice!! I wonder what tiktok would say about it. I think I will ask her the next time I bump threads with her.

There are 2 theories re b/fed babies not pooing at all. no 1 is that they is little or no waste because the milk is absorbed so completely, no2 is that its fine if the baby goes every week or so - I once met a little boy who was regular as clockwork, every 15 days.

Hi CoonRapids, yeah she is my first.

So whats the deal with this thread? I am relativley new to here

We just all talk about how it's going, gemmac1...

Can I ask everyone what their babies are doing in terms of naps / bedtimes?

DD was going down at 7.30 - but that's gone totally out of the window - for the last week or so she's fussed / cried / fallen asleep and woken up shortly afterwards from 7.30 until midnight, whereupon she falls into a deep sleep until 7am. By which time my boobs feel like they're ready to explode.

Napwise - she's ready for her morning nap quite early - 9 - so only awake 7am-9am to feed and be changed, essentially - and then sleeps until around 1030.

After that there's no pattern to speak of at all. She sleeps at some point around lunchtime - and then seems ready to go to bed at around 6.30 - so we start our 6.30 - 7.30 bedtime routine - and then she cries, fusses - and we're up and down again until midnight.

Longtalljosie, my dd was in a little routine for her daytime naps but all that has gone out of the window this past week or so. At first I put it down to her being a little offside as she was snuffly etc, but I was invormed by my GP yesterday that she is infact teething......which explains why she has been waking up screaming!! (shock)

At night I bottlefeed her, I give her a bottle at 7pm. We go into the bedroom and just sit with the light of the tv on in the background and I feed her, this does usually take a while though. Its usually about 8.30 before she is settled and asleep.

I have been made to feel bad for putting her to bed so late by other people but 7pm is the time that suits me and my other half, otherwise he wouldnt see our dd at all during the week.

She will then sleep till in between 2 and 3 am at which time she will have another bottlefeed. She is usually fed and back asleep within 30 mins. She will then sleep till 7am (tne same time every morning without fail, although it is the time my partner leaves the house???).

When she wakes in a morning I revert back to breastfeeding, where she has little frequent naps in between feeds and playing. Although this past week she has not slept much during the day and been very clingy.

What sort of bedtimes does everybody else use? As some of the posts Ive read on here and articles in books etc make me feel like the worst mother in the world for things that I do

Who makes you feel bad for starting bedtime at 7, Gemma? Sounds about average to me...

I think you have to take your cues from when your baby starts to tire, anyway, or you're on a hiding to nothing.

(But what do I know, I'm mother to a baby who despite my best efforts, thinks staying awake until midnight is entirely acceptable!)

Hello, welcome gemmac1 - I do the same in terms of bedtime with my DD - DH would not see her all week, so we start bath-time at 7pm when he gets home, hopefully she is down by 8.30pm - I find if there are people around or we go out she gets a bit overexcited and can be up until midnight. I am still feeding every three to four hours - even through the night - feel very jealous of your long gap!

Coonrapids - I am loving the chuckles too, and DD really seems to recognise me now. I sometimes do an early morning Pilates class and DH will meet me after with her (requires a huge amount of co-ordination!) - she smiles when she sees me! This has really been my only time away from her yet - has anyone else left theirs yet?

Longtaljosie - DDs naps are all over the place, GENERALLY she seems to be up for an hour then she will nap for about 45 minutes, then she will have some combination of a long nap and a short nap, or two long naps, or a few short naps.... makes it hard to plan to do anything!

A TMI question - has anyone 'done the business' again yet? DH asked me the other day if I thought we could do it again soon - I am scared it will hurt though! Not to mention I am knackered so it is not top of my agenda of things to do - would rather have a nap TBH