March 09 - there is no snooze button on a baby that needs milk.....!

[meep]

over here ladies

OMG grinning what a horrible night you've had. From memory someone can be sectioned by a close relative (your friend) if she has the backing of 2 doctors - maybe his GP and his therapist. I'm not sure how it all works - but her really sounds like he needs help.

I did a lot of work with the police when I dealty with domestic abuse cases - sadly many of them don't really know the law or what their powers are. They are very quick to say "it is just a domestic" - but your friend has been assaulted so they should take it further. Sadly this type of man is very good at appearing like a normal bloke to those in authority.

I know in Scotland this sort of thing would be reported to the Procuratoir Fiscal who woudl decide whetyher to take it further - but I think in England more regard is taken of what the victim wants to do.

There are lots of protective remedies your friend can get to keep him away and have him automatically arrested if he breaks the court order.

The best place for advice is Women's Aid - they are very non-judgemental and will really help her (or you if you phone to get the knowledge to help your friend)

This sort of situation really breaks my heart - and it is so often the case that the victim stays with the abuser or keeps going back - it is such a viscious circle. As you said at leat there are no lo's involved (I have represented women with really harrowing tales where there are kids involved too).

Well done on keeping Amy close to you - you and your dh needs to break off all contact with this man as much as you are able to while supporting your firned.

Hear hear! Meep

Back to the baby chat (though still very for *grinning's friend]..........

Rosie's irrational fear is her Papa (my Dad)! Howls when he looks at her! We think it is because he has a beard!

THanks for the weaning tips slick - still can't get Rosie to have breakfast - so we are on lunch and dinner at teh moment.

But we had a 4am wake up call last night - ugh - and dh slept all the way through it, moaned about being tired this morning then when I gently pointed out that I may be more tired than him (I know, I know, it shouldn;t be a competition) said " at least you can sleep during the day". Hmmmmm - that will be after sorting out the washing, cleaning the house, doing the food shopping etc. Hmph! I really try not to moan about being tired as I am pretty good on not much sleep and I know that I have lovely days when dd1 is at nursery and it is just me and Rosie - I just wanted some sympathy because I had spent the first half of the night with my hand through the bars of teh cot holding Rosie's hand (she wouldn't sleep without it - little minx) and the latter half up with her!

Moan over!

Oh and the fact that the police don't do anything to help in these situations makes it even more likely for the victim to stay with the abuser. It takes a hell of a lot of courage to call the police in against someone you love and have just been beaten up by. If the police go on to do nothing then the victim is highly unlikely to contact them again.

Sorry - stil reeling from the fact the they did nothing (as you can tell from my dreadful spelling - it goes to tits up when I type fast and with anger!)

Thanks Meep - I might mention the two doctors/therapist thing if she needs it.

I told dh last night that I want nothing to do with the man. No way on this planet is he being around Amy.

Now then.

Anyone want to tell me how to survive a long weekend with dh's mil in a caravan next weekend?

Meep - poor lo being afraid of beards! Dh has one sometimes and A likes to poke and pull it with her fingers. She did have a major meltdown in the car last night, and only went to sleep when dh and I sang an alternative version of "old Macdonald" My version when dh isn't around goes ... and on that farm he had a daddy..... with a fart fart here and a fart fart there etc I'm such a bad parent!

ooooooooooooo - I might change the daddy's on the bus to "fart fart fart" - dd1 will be sure to sing that to dh (though she calls them windypops and finds farting very very funny)

slick come back and tell us your poo stories.................makes me feel thankful that the most dd1 wants to do with poo is for "my see poo" when I take her nappy off!

Grinning What a dreadful situation your friend is in. It does seem that getting the right intervention at the right time in these cases is very hard. I hope there is a positive resolution, and soon.

Can I ask for a straw poll? How do you get your LOs to nap? Cues? Places? Times? etc.

I am having a great deal of trouble with Spike and it seems to be getting worse. I basically cannot get him to nap without taking him out in the pushchair and even then he will zone out for ages without actually dropping off. When he does drop off, he rarely sleeps for longer than 25 mins. I think he is severely underslept.

As I write, at 2pm, he has had about 45 mins sleep in total since he got up at 5 something. And he has spent an hour doing physical activity at Little Gym.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be very grateful.

Yarnie you are asking for the holy grail of motherhood - I wish I had an answer.

Rosie's cues are rubbing her eyes and if she is sitting she will slump forward to rest her head on you. Occasionaly we get a yawn!

I give it somewhere between 2-3 hours awake then put her down for a nap. Her first one is always around 8.30/9am. Then one just after lunch (am about to try now). She is normally awake for the afternoon and early evening (5 hors yesterday).

When I put her down she initially howls and I let her shout for a bit (you can tell when it turns to tears/real upset) and 7 times out of 10 she will drop off. Other times she will not sleep and I am rendered clueless as to what she wants. I have to admit that I do feed her to sleep at times.

I have found with both mine that if I miss the sleep window (whenever thaht may be) and they get too tired then they will not nap easily. So when they start to cry from tiredness it is really difficult to then get them to nap.

My SIL reports that my eldest neice NEVER napped - just refused to - and she is fine now - though it was very hard on her mum!

Grinning for you and your friend and at her H and the police. Please do recommend she calls Women's Aid, they really are great - a friend of mine used to work for them and I've never heard a bad word said.

Yarnie if it's any consolation at all M only sleeps for about 1.5 hours a day at the moment. Her sleep has been all over the place recently and this afternoon I found the culprit - her first tooth!

Meep I've found recently that M's best nap is the morning one about 9.30am - I'm always surprised that after 12 hours' sleep she can be ready for another one so soon, but it does seem to work. One of my mum friends reckons it takes so much effort for them to wake up they need another nap to recover!

Is M the first baby here to start crawling?! It seems incredibly early - DD1 didn't start to crawl until 8 months. Am having a major baby proofing session this weekend as this afternoon M tried going behind the telly to investigate the wiring

Slick good to 'see' you back

Grinning

Hope your freind safe now and presses charges against her H.

Yarnie

Sleep DS routine is roughly

6am Up, dressed and bottle

8am Breakfast

9am nap about 30mins

11am Bottle

12pm Put up into cot and sleeps/quite time untill 2.30pmish

2.30 bottle

4.30 Dinner

6-7pm bath bottle bed.

Had a busy week this week as dd2 (2yrs just) have had to move into a proper bed as she nosed out of her cot. How many times can you put a 2yr old back to bed.

Morning all. I thought I'd come and report some moderate success on the sleep front!

As might have been obvious, I reached a tipping point. So I got DP on board to help tackle Spike's sleep. Our chosen tactic was to deny the boob, as we figured that sorting out his night waking might help his day naps. I slept on the sofa for the last two nights and DP was on duty to settle the little man.

On the first night, Spike only woke once, although he was up for half an hour. Still - not bad at all. Last night, he was up twice, but only for 5 mins each time. I am hopeful that if we keep at it he'll eventually realise there's no point in waking til morning.

We are already seeing the benefits during the day. Because he's not eating at night, he's eating better during the day and for the first time since he was a newborn, he had a 2 hour nap! That was yesterday. As I write he has been asleep for an hour and a half, also pretty much unprecedented!

Huurrraaahhh!

That's good Yarnie, hopefully Spike sleep and eat better during the day.

I had the opposite problem with dd1 if she didn't sleep well the day she wouldn't sleep at night.

wheredidiputit who are you?

new thread

Hopefully, I've just created us a new thread. Just popped into say hi whilst dd and dh are having a nap looking rather cute the pair of them!

Sorry meep I was Lizziemun, but there seem to be a lot of 'Lizzie's' around all of sudden.

Sorry meep I was Lizziemun, but there seem to be a lot of 'Lizzie's' around all of sudden.