Dec 08 mums - from rolling to sitting and everything inbetwean

[waitinggirl]

there i've done it - hope that is ok.

Hi everyone
I am going to type this message for as long as dd2 will tolerate her play mat. On past experience I expect this will be a short one... still I am persevering with the play instead of her preferred bouncy chair as I am trying to encourage a little physical development. Maybe not an actual 180 degree roll but at least a look to the side!

WG what tosh is your HV spouting about critical periods for bottle introduction. Do you remember how stressed I was that DD2 would not take a bottle even though I started introducing it within the first few weeks? It made no difference at all. She hated it. Then we found the playtex bottles (having tried EVERY other brand) and she started to like them. Now she hates them again. Its life with a BFed baby, they are capricious creatures. DD1 refused a bottle 'til 9 months and then gave-in at nursery and now won't give it up at nearly 3 years old... I have to say I find the bottle refusal easier to deal with this time because I am sooooo much more relaxed about leaving her knowing I have given her a good feed. I regularly go out in the evening now and I know that if she wakes up she will be sad but she won't be hungry and DH (or other babysitter) can cuddle and comfort her if it all gets too upsetting. I was unable to imagine leaving DD1 if it meant she might shed one tear.

Crap, the crying has begun, why does she so hate being on her back???? I am so tired today after a night out with friends last night. I got back at midnight and DD woke at at 12.30am, 4.30am and then rose for the day at 5.20am. Nevertheless, I better go and rescue her.

xx

Just a quick one after scanning. WG don't give up! I gave up for ds and was on the verge of doing so for dd (except I have a training in June so she will have to spend a full day without me). I decided that sorting out dh to take her out when she would def need feeding etc was far too much stress and I was far too stressed at the thought of her crying and needing me so I did it myself. I chose atime I knew she usually fed well (eg after a long nap) and gave her a bottle every day. At first she played with it then turned in to my chest and demanded the real thing then she started taking 1oz and it grew from there. No fuss or crying since as soon as she was fed up of playing with the bottle I bf her.

My bike is ready!!! I am so happy!!! I'm now off to get it!!

so what am I doing wrong? Is every day for3 weeks just too short a time to persist with the bottle. Have tried so many different techniques/ people/ bottles/ teats - I daren't spend any more money on bottles that she may not drink from - I've wasted enough already. If it's so achievable what's my problem?
sorry. am feeling a bit of a grump and have a very fuzzy head and feel that I'm failing to do something which I should be able to do. Feeling a little lost at sea today. LIke the whole baby world is a maze again and I've lost my 'bigger picture' of where I'm aiming - and with it lost some confidence in following my instincts. just a phase - I know!

Put on a lb at WW, feel awful. DS2's now 16lb 12.5oz, he was 15lb 12oz 6 weeks ago.

kayz don't feel bad - you've been doing so well...it's just 1 little lb and you'll lose it again for sure. keep going

trace you're not doing anything wrong, it might take P longer to take to a bottle or she might move straight onto a cup. Sorry I don't have any more advice but didn't want to not answer you.

kayz how's the new bike?

How was the meetup?

I've had a day from hell today. Ds1 has just been having tantrum after tantrum all day, not helped by having to have the eyedrops. The only time he behaved & smiled was during his swimming lesson. And I felt really mean as I'd promised him we'd do some baking together after we'd been to the library but he had such a huge tantrum over nothing that I said no baking . Ds2 has only slept for 30mins at a time so he's been really grumpy & ds1's tantrums have been upsetting him. And now I can feel a row coming on with dh because he'll want to have a cuddle & I just want my own space but then I'm ignoring his needs & putting mine first in his eyes. Think I might just give up on today & go to bed

Just reread my post, sorry to be me me me

Hope everyone had a good day

Just a quickie as I am bouncing a stinky baby on my knee before her bath - at least she has filled her nappy

Kayz - DON'T get disheartened, you are doing brilliantly. One pound could just be a fluctuation. Think of the pounds you will shed on your shiny new bike!

Trace - you haven't got a problem. Our lovely babies are simply a law unto themselves and highly varied. You are brilliant. End of.

Hello dear Arti. Glad to hear you have had a night out. Our mutual friend is coming to visit me at the end of the month, which is nice.

Tilly...what a crummy day. Dr. Thompson prescribes a nice bath far from the madding crowd and a few mins to yourself and then you will magically feel better and more inclined to be congenial to your DH. Some days, you just have to roll your eyes and think...man, I hope tomorrow's better

Right, so the house has DEFINITELY fallen through. Thanks for your kind words. I'm annoyed but philosophical. And I am going to rub my nose in it all by watching either Property Watch or Kirstie's Homemade Home. Not sure which! Tough choice! I know she's not everyone's cup of tea but I do love Kirstie Allsopp.

Ooh, got a bit distracted there! Meant to type 'at least she has filled her nappy BEFORE she has a bath for a change'.

Having stayed in all week, I am now thinking wistfully of a Sardinian restaurant in Fitzrovia called Sardo. The food (and indeed the wine) there is so nice...I am thinking of coming out of exile but I have actually been trying to be good and stick to a diet (as well as spend less money and not wear myself out). Old habits die hard, I guess!

Have smashing evenings, all.

LadyT, I know Sardo. Quite near where I work. Makes me think of long boozy lunches and summer afternoons.

Am so tired. I think the house arrest has just about done me in today. L has been fine this afternoon watching "mary, mungo and midge" while I worked but has been in a foul mood since about 5.30pm. Currently sulking in bed listening to Finty Williams gushing away on the story tape. And DH has just told me he won't be home til at least 9.30pm. Which really means 10pm. Another night on the sofa beckons. My diet has gone to pot this week. Must try harder.

Sorry for me me me. Love to all. Must go and write my report so I can email it off. It's only 5 days late.....

Hello everyone,

Just a quickie from me as I'm exhausted and need to go to bed. I took DD on the train to Birmingham for a hospital appointment. Juggling a baby, a pram, a heavy bag with associated feeding and entertainment gubbins on and off trains is no easy task. How veggie made it to York with two darling children in tow I don't know!

WG I very much doubt DD will suddenly go off you in favour of a bottle so I wouldn't worry on that score. I wish I had some good advice to offer you and trace - how about hang on in there both of you, any help? Would it be better for your DHs to do the daily trying with the bottle? That way your delicious smell won't put them off.

ladyT Boo about the house but something better will come along, in the right location with a garden. I love Kirstie, she is just so delightfully posh .

tilly Sorry to hear about your crap day. An early night sounds like just the ticket.

Sorry, must go, eyes too sleepy. Night all.

hello all. JJ, Spot and i had a wonderful afternoon in the park - there were some nutters around (it is london, afterall), but our three darling children were all delightful (JJ took some photos) and the weather was fabulous (bah to bbc weather forecast). it felt like a lovely MN basket/coven type of meet up where we could say anything and discuss problems and joys together. thank you both! we had a funny thing happen where i bumped into someone i know very very vaguely - she asked how we 3 knew each other... we looked sheepishly at each other and i just made something up, rather than say we met over hte internet. i mean, there's no shame, no problem with people knowing, but how odd i felt the need to keep it secret. i mean, imagine how people who do internet dating face that question!

thanks for all the info re: bottles etc. we are going to my dad's this weekend - it means both dh and dad's ladyfriend can try to feed her with either our existing bottles or the tommee tippee beakery things i will buy en route (thanks veggie for the tip - was it you, i forget).

tilly - sorry for the rubbish day. i agree with dr thompson - into the bath with you!

sybil - may the fairy of wellness soon descend.

WG I am with you on the feeling trapped by breast feeding, I was just thinking tonight that I can?t wait for the day that arrives when no-one touches my boob all day. And also when I can have proper cuddles with DD that don?t end with me feeding her. I feel bad for thinking like this, as I do enjoy feeding her immensely, but I also feel that I?ve done enough now. BTW, we did introduce a bottle to DD at 6 weeks and she was fine with it, until 12 weeks (around the time we had thrush, don?t know if it was anything to do with it) and she?s refused one ever since, absolutely screaming herself silly to the point of almost gagging. I?ve recently got a doidy cup and she?s going really well sipping water from it, but now I?ve tried to put a bit of milk (tried formula and EBM) in it she?s gone off that too. What if she never drinks from anything but and I have to go to school with her so she can have a drink? (a bit flippant, but at moment?s of panic I have actually, seriously, thought that). And on the not being wanted anymore, I was discussing this with a friend who?s just weaned her DS and she says that she is happier that he chose not to BF anymore than her depriving him of it, which reassured me -?if-- when the time comes

Tilly at forgetting how old your DS is, that?s what sleep deprivation does!! And I?m ashamed to say that I still need pinning down to get eye drops in me (exactly like that episode of Friends, if you?ve seen it), so DS1 is definitely allowed at his age

LadyT I?d forgotten about Kirstie?s homemade home, thanks for the prompt

Whose name's LF? Had a FB group request.

The 'eye' key doesn't work on my laptop. Hope you understand me.

evening everyone,
trace sorry if the advice to keep trying with the bottle made you feel rubbish...I think we all just meant that perserverance CAN work, not that it will, as LadyT says these little ones are a law unto themselves.
Sybil and tilly I prescribe wine.
wg Glad the meet up was fun and you didn't get rained on.
kayz I think the key with diets is to NOT give up when you have a little bit of a gain. Don't get disheartened you are doing so well, and if you have your period is to be expected. And you have a shiny new bike!
I wrote this ages ago and then left it so have probably cross posted with loads of people

wg i am with you on the internet thing! Someone asked how I know jj and I said "baby yoga" which is only half true! It's also partly that I worry they might go a-ha, and come on mumsnet and try and look for me. Not that that would really matter i suppose, but don't like the idea of people who know me lurking and reading what I write.

Not me Kayz.

Wow I've had a whole day to catch up.

I still havent posted the link but the Tommee Toppee we used for DS1 was the one for 6month+ I think it was tippy up cup or something like that. It's got a soft teat like top with a soft spout. DS never took a bottle just went to the beakers, and then self weaned off the boob for his night feeds just before he was 2. I was sad ZJ but it felt nice that it was him and not me.

Trace I am feeling very short changed with Auntie Flo actually, fair ripped off. They didn't come until 10 months with ds1 and that was around the time he was properly solid feeding so had dropped a feed or 2. But I am still exclusively feeding a quite decent sized child so feel I should not be allowed to become with child again. Lucky there is not too much action going on.

Syb sorry to tell you that your other LOs will probably start coming out in their spots in a week or two. Make the most of the time inbetween.

Kayz you should be let off from weighing when Flo is around because it can add up to a kg (2lbish) due to extra fluid (and the need for copious amounts of chocolate at this time), so don't me too hard on yourself.

Oh and WG she won't prefer the bottle/beaker to you. DS started beakers around 6 mnths but was more than happy and preferred the boob for ages after. Even though he was so against the bottle, the beaker seemed different enough to the boob that he happily went for it, and when he was big enough he would hold it himself and happily drink even in my presence.

Oh and hooray on the bike Kayz.

Just flying by quickly - hope everyone is well!

Spot definitely let's settle a date for the zoo. How about the second or third week of June?

Wishing you all good nights....

veggie - was it this?

Hi,

Thanks for all your anniversary wishes, and glad you had a good meet-up, sorry I missed you....

Too much drink last night. Too early in the morning....And two small children today. Someone please help

njan Cbeebies, chocolate & lots of hot tea . Glad you had a good night

wg I've not really told anyone about MN either, I told one friend & after her response of 'but they're probably all weirdos' I decided not to anymore

kayz as others have said, don't worry too much about 1lb. I would say its definitely down to your period! Btw, what happened with the relactation? Did you decide to try or not?

I feel a little better this morning. Ds1 & I have had a chat so fingers crossed things will be better today. Also had a chat with dh & I think he understands that after having 2 little people hanging off me all day I do need some space for a little while. ladyt I took your advice & had a bath, and summer took your advice & had a glass of wine. Plus dh looked after ds2 last night so got a good sleep.

NJAN I will add to your list of hangover remedies a dirty Macdonlads breakfast oh so bad but oh so good.

IN and out of bed like a ruddy yoyo last night Onwards and upwards though have the housework to do today. rocknroll.

Morning(on PC so have 'I' key)

I'm going to be extra extra good this week but we're out tomorrow night for SIL birthday meal and then the week after I'm in York at another MN meet with my ttc buddies and we're going to Betty's.

My WW leader did look and exactly a month ago I only lost 1/2 lb so she said we'll look in another month's time and see if it happens again.

I've had a go at relactating by pumping every 3 hours which is what the GP said to do. But not had anything yet. So I am going to stop now as I think it has been too long since giving up BF.

I've got a horrible cold and sore throat so might spend all day lying on the sofa with lemsip.

Hope you are all ok.