Dec 08 mums - from rolling to sitting and everything inbetwean

[waitinggirl]

there i've done it - hope that is ok.

Good evening everyone,
Very much enjoyed the Apprentice, [taps nose for those that haven't seen it yet]. I always love the interview stage.
jj hooray on the good sleeping thing. Can you not just keep sleeping in the back bedroom like you are now? Then if she's trouble sleep in your normal bed with her? Then try the cot when the good sleeping has continued a bit? I was also worried about the getting up going to the other room thing, as I thought it would be loads more tiring if he didn't settle when I put him down, but to be honest he settles first time usually now when I put him down in the night. Not sure it's related though to him being in his own room (though it could be), think it may just be him changing as he gets older.
Oh didn't mean to offend anyone by the way with my ramblings about Gina Ford and the getting up at 7 thing. To be honestif i get a lie in past 7 it's almost always cos DH gets up with him anyway! I was just ranting about the way GF is written really. It really annoys me.
jj, yes, your friend is mad. For one day, perhaps, but I think 8hrs a day walking for 2 weeks or whatever it is is a bit unfair on the baby and also they are likely to have trouble! I feel guilty for taking DS for too many bike rides, and I think that 2 hrs is enough at one go. But it's a tough one as I wouldn't say that to someone's face who was saying they wanted to do it. Well not in so many words anyway.
kim that weaning class sounds just dreadful. Sorry. You are right, you shouldn't have bothered.
veggie eek to the falling incident. And pmk PMSL at the "ripped me a new arsehole" from your DH. Not heard that one before!
I had a nightmare swimming the other day with DS. I lost my footing and couldn't regain it. I had a decision that either I could let DS go and put my hand on the bottom of the pool (it was very shallow) to regain my footing or keep hold of him and both of us fall under. Obviously I kept hold of him but he got dunked twice. Came up all of a fluster. He was grinning. Bless him!

DH seen I am on mumsnet. He said "what are you saying about me now?" Don't flatter yourself mate!

LadyT the fatty thread is a bit quiet of late anyway. We should try and perk it up a bit. Did the endocrinologist say anything about weight loss when you went to see him a while back? Hooray for the being thinner, even if the scales don't agree.
OK bed now. Night all

Crossed posts with veggie. You're right, jjs friends will probably work it out for themselves. jj I would just point out that the baby will be heavier and more demanding at 4 months so they might find it hard. I expect they will get "you're mad" from lots of different people and they will figure it out for themselves!

I have a big problem, can anyone help? I have bought a nice dress for DD?s christening (for me, and it was less than half the price of DD?s dress and [cheapskate emoticon]!), which is blue, and have decided that the only possible thing I can wear with it is blue shoes. I?ve spent hours tonight trawling the net for some, but struggling. Has anyone seen any nice blue shoes around?

WG my HV advised not to use follow on milk at all, apparently it is simply the baby milk manufacturers attempt to encourage us to continue to spend our money on their product instead of continuing with normal formula/swapping to cows milk/other liquids and is pointless. And on the vitamin drops, I reckon this week me and DD have received enough vitamin from lovely walks in the sunshine to last us all year

JJ we didn?t co-sleep, but DD was in the moses right next to me. When she moved into her own room she hardly blinked an eye and looking back I think that I kept her close to me more for me than for her, because I liked to be able to peep at her beautiful sleeping face. I do think that in a different room I don?t rush in to general mutterings and murmurings and actually discovered that she?s often better at settling herself than I was. I was quite to discover she didn?t need me as much as I liked to think she did. Why don?t you try her in her own room and see how it goes? If she needs the reassurance from you, she?ll let you know ? And my secret to a good baby on the flight ? absolute luck. DH and I were both on edge that she?d cry and wail and upset the other travellers, and she was obviously determined to prove us wrong and shame us for doubting her. We relaxed when the lady next to us pointed out that we shouldn?t let it worry us, as if people choose to travel in school holidays then they have to deal with children and if they don?t like it they should travel at a different time ? great advice and a damn good point, so we promptly relaxed and enjoyed the trip (after this, I hope your trip isn?t term time, as this becomes useless advice)

Crazy advice no 723 ? yesterday I heard someone suggest that BF should stop as soon as baby gets teeth, as breast milk will rot them! what utter pants

Tilly how sweet of your DS1. I?m thinking of packing our bouncy chair away, as DD wriggles so much I?m worried she?ll tip the whole thing up (even when she?s strapped in). I swapped the pram for the pushchair last week, which brought a lump to my throat at my growing babe

We?ve also started on purees and mush. DD gets impatient that I can?t reload the spoon fast enough with parsnip or swede, but baby rice got a proper ?yuck? from her (and from me when I tried it, really nasty stuff). I?m also letting her suck on anything suitable I?m eating (or not suitable, as she loves strawberries but I got told yesterday that its too early for berries, although quickly followed by ?well she?s probably not allergic to them or you?d know by now, so don?t worry?). She was begging and reaching and whimpering for my pizza the other day, but I kept that out of reach ? obviously for her own good and not mine

Oh, and Verso, before I forget to mention (again) I wanted to say what a joy it is to read your posts ? you sound so so much happier at the moment (despite your hectic schedule, almost as busy as LadyT!) and you always make me chuckle with some observation or other ? very pleased that you?re back

Right, is much too late to be up, should have been asleep hours ago, night all

Morning!

Zoe Here is a selection of blue shoes at new look.

Veggie Glad DS2 is ok after his fall. DS2 almost did the same thing a few days ago.

It is far too early in the morning but DS2 woke up and neither of us could get back to sleep and DS1 then woke up so there is no point in going back to bed.

Hope everyone is ok and Verso Hope your first day back goes well.

zj try here

Hey folks, thanks so much for your kind words about the paediatrician's letter, it's reassured me that I was right to be a bit but that it was probably meant with good intentions and I'm also probably a bit defensive and oversensitive right now and best thing is probably to ignore rather than make a major deal of things.
We're semi enjoying the weaning here, T loved it at first but has days when he turns his nose up at anything I offer him and I feel a little stab of disappointment that what I've lovingly made is going straight in the bin untasted. I can already see in my mind those mealtimes when they're older and they refuse a whole meal cooked from scratch (rather than something boiled and whized) and feel at the number of times I must have done that to my mum in my childhood. Too late for BLW here but am starting to totally see the point!

We're going for the full newborm sleep regression thing here, T was up 4 times between 11pm and 7am, not sure if teeth related or heat or something else but it sure is frustrating! For those who had this recently - did it go away of its own accord or did you do something different?

Verso, will be thinking of you today, hope it goes well and fingers crossed for the other jobs you interviewed for.

Am v impressed at those who are doing lots of activities with your DCs (esp those involving physical exercise). I think I must be a bit of a path of least resistance mum as I just feel too tired to do anything energetic. Am not one of life's natural sportswomen!

V much enjoyed the apprentice interviews last night, but what was that profile prog about before then? It was so lame and hammily done, looked like a piss take!

Right, off to vote then try and prepare stuff for tonight (doing some work this eve that involves going into town and looking vaguely presentable - don't think i know what'll hit me!). Hope T's gums oblige!

Ohm and Veg, do you fancy meeting before WG's DH's thing on Sun?

Oooo voting. Marvelous. I love voting, and would do every week if possible. Am such a pathetic individual.

Also sad today because DH and I went out for our wedding anniversary dinner last night and had one of our very rare arguments. Mainly because he was uncharacteristically being a bit of an arse I think. But just one of those things where you feel like you're speaking different languages. Also yorkshire woman in me thinks it's a complete waste of spending so much money on lovely evening out (we can argue at home for nothing ).

Kim without wishing to embark on a 'never did me any harm' style rant, my DS drinks from a soft cup, had a dummy at bedtime until he was 2 and a bit and ate home made stuff and ella's kitchen/plum baby whatever. And the dentist says he has great teeth and in general he's picture of health.

Wg I also agree is really annoying when people say trust your instincts. In general my instincts are a bit dodgy and you're dead right - unless you have direct experience of hanging out with babies you have absolutely no idea what's going on. Books can be v useful.

JJ I had exactly the same experience with the tripp trapp the first time (too many pp?). I almost threw it out of the window.

Good luck for today verso

Peace disturbed. Better go. Hope you London ladies have lovely meet up - sorry I can't make it but am taking brood to city farm this afternoon. Which I'm really really bored of. So have to try to summon up enthusiasm before then.

hi all,

spot sorry T isn't settling well. No advice I'm afraid, ds2 changes daily what he's up to & there's nothing we're doing differently! I think they like to keep us on our toes, but hope everything settles down for you soon.

kayz that startrite thing sounds good, how did it go?

Weaning, I remember ds1 refusing foods at the beginning but I found either making it thinner with water or thicker with baby rice usually did the trick. Plus I think they need to see or try something quite a few times (30?) before it becomes familiar. I do do purees because ds2 will just suck on things & not actually eat them, I freeze them into icecube trays. He has 1 icecube atm so if he doesn't want it its not too much of a waste.

I also use some of his formula for mixing so he's still getting his milk, not that I'm cutting down any of his bottles!

Wish I could meet up today but ds1 keeps me too busy. We never have anything on on Friday's though if anyone wants to meet up then. I'd prefer to meet around West London but I can come into London either via Waterloo or Piccadilly/Central/District lines, though I will have both ds's. Its really time I met pmk, wg & spot!

lal sympathies on the arguments, we're still having a few here as well. Enjoy the city farm, I have the same feelings about Kew Gardens atm

lal happy anniversary!

morning zj I have a pair if electric blue suede wedges that were got for a mate's wedding a couple of years ago and only worn once , if you're a size 5 can send you a pic and you're welcome to borrow them! oh and that advice on bf - well milk does have lactose in it, but as was pointed out at a drop-in i went to, some babies are born with teeth so does that mean they shouldn't have any breast milk?!

well last night was a game of two halves for some reason she woke at 10, we left her to grizzle a bit but it turned into angry crying. first time she's woken that early in ages. dh helped to settle her, then we went to spare room. Up at 1 and hungry, so i think we can coinsider that fairly set. but, wouldn't go back to sleep and was pretty much on boob until 5 at which point she woke up completely. I'd had enough so left her to it and went back to spare room, next thing i knew it was 7 and she was still quiet so must have worked out how to settle herself without yelling so we're going to look at the ncss section on 'helping a co sleeping baby into their own bed'. if she can di the first bit on her own, we can bring her back to us if needed. Just need to get her used to the big girls bed...

spot good to hear you a bit cheerier today you're doing a fab job and you know it!

re the friends and their walk - i know it's completelty up to them. difficulty is they're utterly, utterly fixed on the idea that the baby won't change their life. as i'm sure we all were as well

jj I think there's something to be said for deciding a baby won't change your life too much. But obviously there are limits, unfortunately I think 4 months is a bad time for a walking holiday as they are getting heavier but a bit too small for a back carry.
Have to say veggie's suggestion of it being easier at 4 weeks though made me laugh as I couldn't walk to town at 4 weeks without a struggle!

Not Wales jj but around Durham. Still exciting though.

Am supposed to be packing for France (off tomorrow for a week to take dd to meet that side of the family) but just to add to the coast to coast thing. I have done coast to coast, 13 days, 190 miles. It is hard. I carried full kit (tent, stove etc). I wouldn't do it with a 4 month old. What if the weather is terrible? Too small for a framed carrier with rain cover but not going to like being zipped under mum's waterproof for 8 hours! We went walking in the lakes when ds was 3 months and it was great. We did some tough walks, climbed a lot of hills but if it was bad weather we could stay in for the day, we didn't have to get up the next mornig and walk after a bad night of sleep etc. We could also take a longer break than you can on some C2C days, some days you walk 7 til 7 as it is, with a baby needing extra stops for feeding, nappy changing etc you could be arriving at your hotel/campsite pretty late!

right dd complaining, strongly suspect she is shattered due to even less sleep than normal (didn't know that was possible but there you go) so off to sling her and force persuade her to sleep.

Hello ladies. Was supposed to have pilates this morning but the civic hall it's at was a polling station today so not on.

Sorry if I appeared to be endorsing follow on formulas, I know nothing about formula so best not to listen to any advice I give on that front. About the breastfeeding and rotten teeth, hilarious where do these people hear these things. The action of BF for a baby means that almost no milk pools around the teeth like bottle feeding. So basically you can't rot teeth through breastfeeding. Now with bottles I think they say don't bottle feed after 1 year but I have to ask the FF mums is difficult to wean off bottles by 12 months?

That would be nice spot.

PMK has your DH picked any other colourful Australian colloquialisms from you?

Veggie DS1 still has 2 bottles a day. They are ok as long as they only have milk in. I wanted to ask you how old AK is? My friend has a nearly 4yo who is still in her buggy and my friend says it is cruel to make them walk. I was thinking about you saying that AK was running with you in that fun run a while ago.

Tilly That startrite thing said that DS1 is a 7.5 and his width is a C. I'm not sure though because he has always been a G in a width.

Oh and SL just have to add just be careful what you say about GF. I'm not sure if you know but the lady herself tried to sue MN a few years ago for defamation because a couple of posters made some comments about her with rude words in. She didn't win but I think they settled out of court on no money but on the stipulation that she should not be referred to negatively.

Oh I see Kayz. I thought it sounded a bit rough. My nephew was still having 2 bottles a day beyond 3 and his teeth are fine. I do hate when I see toddlers having soft drink in bottles.

AK is 4 in August. How bizarre about your friend. I would never make AK walk if he is tired, he goes on the buggy board then, but generally if we go for a walk into town he walks or goes on his scooter.

Where's daisy?

My friends DD is 4 on the 23rd so a little bit older. She just looks huge in her buggy. I mean DS1 is 2 and he does a lot of walking and he really prefers to walk now.

In the states they say that it's okay for a child over 1 year to have a bottle. The problem comes in when they've been left with it while sleeping or they are drinking milk from it constantly. The formula and regular cow's milk acts a bit like sugar and will totally rot their teeth out. I've had a couple of friends back home who have had this problem with their little ones. But they left a bottle of milk/juice in the cot with their child and they would fall asleep while drinking from it.

Things here are a bit stressful today. DS is great, but we have a friend coming to visit from the states and they've detained her at the airport! DH is trying to sort everything out with passport control. Apparently they don't believe she is coming here to visit. She even has a return ticket and everything. They are still giving her a hard time. Last time I checked she hadn't had anything to eat or drink. Poor thing. I hope they can get it all sorted and she can visit and not have to fly back. Hopefully they'll also be nice to her and at least give her a bite to eat!

Gosh Kimberly that is awful!!! I hope they let here in, why would you buy a return ticket if you were planning to stay???

DS1 usually has a little 4oz bottle in the morning with his breakfast and a 8oz bottle at bedtime. It is normally finished by the time we finish his story and we bring it down again.

Zoe I have just been on the phone to my cousin whose DS is a month older than DS2 and she has been told to stop BF because her DS has a tooth!!!! It was her HV who is actually a BF counsellor that told her it!!

I use far too many !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! per post!

just went swimming for the first time with madam and it was great! she didn't quite know what to make of it at first, but then decided it was ok, if a little cold. we decided to quit while we were ahead. spot will let you know when we are next around your neck of the woods - it was lovely!

crossed posts - dd has a tooth (probably 2 now) and at times bf is pretty painful - when she is using me as a teether, really. but mostly it's fine. i'm not planning on stopping bfeeding for quite some time.

sorry to hear about your friend, kim - what on earth is going on???

Oh gosh kimberley thats terrible, why on earth do they think she is coming to work? Isn't it against human rights to not give detainees food & water? Nice way to welcome her to the UK.

Kayz that is terrible about your cousins HV it is completely untrue, apart from knowing through the course I did I also know through experience, my DS1 has a beautiful set of straight White teeth. Obviously whether FF or BF you need to look after their teeth but there is absolutely no reason why BF would harm teeth. That HV/BF counsellor is actually going against the WHO recommendations for BF and can into trouble for recommending stopping BF.

WG when DS1 started having a nibble I just did the pinky in the mouth pull of whenever he bit down and he soon stopped as he didn't want to lose the boobies.