Jan 09' Dribbling, drooling, swaying and babbling...thats just the mamas....

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MissJ- hope DH is okay- that must have been very scary for you- lots of rest for him, I'm guessing.

MsS - hilarious! sleeping through.... but not going to bed until midnight. Ah well- just take it all with a pinch of salt. Hope DS is feeling better soon.

rray cannot believe you are young enough to have been in scouts they only started admitting girls recently.... well, feels like 2 years ago, but I'm sure it was longer

tink yay for rainbows is the waiting list long?

Well- we had a lovely afternoon- a birthday party for one of dd's friends. DD has a v uncommon name, and this little girl attended the same nursery dd did.... we discovered her mother had the same name as dd... so we all became friends They only live 2 streets away.
At her birthday party last year... I was kind of sad and a bit out of it, as I'd just miscarried... this year I'm there with DS - a very different experience
Was really lovely- the children played nicely, parents chatted breezily, ds snoozed, fed, and chilled... bliss.

Peach I guess i'm quite a young Mummy.... (although given the 14 year old mother in the press a while ago, at the same time i'm NOT so young!) i just turned 23 this month! It was very much a choice when i graduated last year of establishing my career or family first! Luckily we're in the position where our little family won & Career can wait. Although it was important to me to get my degree under my belt. Scouts was brilliant.... i went to Canada on an expedition at one point- Great fun! Glad you had such a lovely afternoon & were able to reflect on what a happier place your in this year!

Dog Uh-oh...You sound Trouble in a shop! I do my food shopping online, largely as i am incapable of going into sainsburys without buying tonnes more than i need. I can pop in for one thing, and end up spending £50!!!!!!! On the plus side, i'd be LOST without my Sat Nav. We only moved to Suffolk last jan, so meeting up with the NCT friends i made etc, if i didn't have sat navs and postcodes i'd be VERY lost! So... It maybe a very useful accident!

missj How is OH today? Hope Nye still recognises him with his war wounds! OH has just had a drastic hair cut (V. needed!) & was worried Esme wouldn't recognise him! ..... she did of course!

Right, Off for an Early night! Swimming has wiped us all out!

MissJ that must've been awful for you and him. Glad he is ok and hope he heals quickly.

Took everyone shopping in town today. Sat on a bench in the sunshine to give DD a bottle of ebm, while the rest of the family scoffed pasties and when I went to get up I discovered her foot was wet. Looked down and there was a puddle under the bench. When I checked she seemed a bit wet on her inner thigh but couldn't see anything else. We were really puzzled, but I took her straight to Boots baby room and when I undid her outfit I discovered she had had the worst case of diarrhoea I have ever seen in a baby. Bright yellow, tonnes of it and it was everywhere inside her outfit. Weirdly, it had leaked out of the inside of her nappy leg (rather than the usual outside leg explosions) and run all the way down her leg and off her toes, that's why her foot was wet. Amazingly, she managed to completely miss me. I was gobsmacked when I saw what had happened, as she usually hates having a dirty nappy but she was happily smiling and cooing away and even chuckling on the changing table.

Rather embarrassingly, when we walked back past the bench we had been sitting on, there were some teenage girls sitting there - one of whom had her lovely (and expensive looking stilleto) planted firmly in the puddle DD had deposited. but

She doesn't seem ill in herself at all though, thank goodness. I am assuming its all related to her immunisations. I seem to remember a similar, but not so spectacular, nappy incident with DS1 after his jabs.

Dog I had lots of little shopping accidents today and DH has developed a few new lines on his forehead as a result! DD now has 2 new romper suits, 3 pretty tshirts, a pack of 5 socks (to match her little shrimp outfits) and a crochet beanie hat. DS1 has two new pairs of jeans and DS2 a new pair of comfy jersey trousers for house lounging purposes. DH can't really complain though, he got some new trousers in FatFace and I didn't get anything but breastpads!

ray we thought of spelling May, Mae but it wasn't until afterward. if i wasn't so damn organized in getting off her paperwork so quickly... (i mailed it all out the day she was born, birth certificate, SIN and med card) we likely would have. i've been putting Violet down around 7 and she finally drifts off by 8 and, well, last night and tonight, she is still sleeping at 11.20, so here's hoping this trend continues for a bit because like you said, OH and you need kiddie free time. although i just did the brush off on DH. he came in after his shower looking for a bit of action but as soon as he touch my boob i was just, no, i can't do it. i don't want my boobs touched today. poor guy. he is very understanding though.

peach second symphony... hilarious

jackson at OH. glad to hear he is ok. i dread those phone calls.

dog hear hear to posh meals at home. DH is back to work in full swing so i'm having to cook for myself... gasp! i'm spoiled... although i do everything else around here from cleaning to fixing things and general maintenance of the car... but it is the best arrangement in my books. i make a mean cookie, but savoury cooking is not my thing.

moose that happened to DD once in public too. at a coffee shop even and it was another patron that pointed out to me. her poo was seeping through her trousers but i didn't notice because i have my coat on. i was embarrassed for her. it was a little funny too. at stiletto in poo.

i would like to rave about the ferber method, or the 'let them cry it out method', which it is badly known as, for getting LO's to sleep. it is draining but it is working like a charm. tonight i only had to come in twice to tend to DD before she fell asleep. i watched desperate housewives on surfthechannel.com and had a bath with candles, bubbles and a glass of wine. so very very very very very awesome.

morning

boo to rain

ye rainbow brownies is the one before brownies is for age 5-7 years.

dog - you go girl sat navs are gr8!! luv shopping might have a rival

each peach - party sounds good

mm - glad u got dd sorted out

chef - glad u had a good night

eachpeach glad you had a nice afternoon at the party

ray i'm only 24 myself

moose sorry about your dd but at the girls stilleto. It's happened to me before with my dd, it's shocking how much such a tiny person can get out of them!

chefswife does your dh make you lovely meals? My dp is a baker, although i rarely have him make me nice cakes Glad you got to have a nice bath

tink i want my dd to go to rainbows. I guess i should get her on the list, although she is only 2.

Finley had a better night. We put him down at 9.30pm after his feed and he was up at 5am for his next feed, then went back to sleep again. That didn't stop me of coarse waking at 3am thinking, he's gonna wake up in a minute!

Am taking him to an under 1s group today. Am sort of dreading it but i have to go for my own sanity. I get isolated in the house and need to go out. I started taking my antidepressants again this morning. Not sure if i was on mn at the time when that was all happening? The doctor gave me medication for pnd, i started taking them and a week later i got a really bad throat infection. The out of hours doctor wrongly told me it was the antidepressants that gave me the throat infection and to stop taking them and to see my gp.

This was the Saturday and i couldn't get an appointment with the gp until the following Thursday. The gp told me it wasn't the tablets that gave me the throat infection and looked annoyed that the out of hours doctor had said to stop taking them. So the gp prescibed me more and i started taking them today again.

dd is doing my head in at the moment. She keeps shouting and screeming in Finleys face. She seems to love him and gives him kisses but can't understand that she must not shout in his face.
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Boo hiss to the rain - it's predicted to continue until at least Friday, I'm worrying the weather will still be rubbish at the weekend, as it's DS1's birthday next Monday and we were planning a birthday picnic in the park.

Elkiedee...Er... No Rain here, only sunshine!!! Better run out & soak it up then if the weather forecast is Dire! Boo hiss for English unpredictable weather. Be so nice for the summer to arrive & for once know that you can plan something with certainity.

MsSparkle isn't it funny how everyone matures at different Ages? I get alot of people (even ones the same age as me) not frowing on me... but simply saying that at my Age they were no where NEAR ready to be a mother... alot of them are still in uni student mode and barely responsible enough to look after themselves! OH and i have been together for a LONG time, and have been talking about starting our family since BEFORE i went to uni! So we waited a while! I'm the youngest in my NCT class/group of friends by over 10 years... that said, like my mother said, babies are great levellers, i get on GREAT with the girls, they are lovely.

Chef Well, you might have done the right thing by spelling it May, not Mae.. As much as i'm happy and LOVE her name... everyone keeps spelling it May! Also, am i being silly, but its driving me Barmy... Esme in my opnion is quite obviously pronounced Es-Me... LOTS of people keep saying Es-MAY... now come on... would i have named my child Es-MAY Mae? ...Sorry bit of Vent Ladies

Moose Great Story! Bless her, hope she is feeling a bit better! Sometimes just normal days i wonder how she stores so much poo inside her!

Have just booked a doctors appointment for later. Have got a tiny little lump on edge of bikini line. Thought was ingrowing hair, but not so sure. is a litle pea sized lump now... so thought better get checked out ASAP. Wondered if connected to Lazer hair removal course i'm having? Hmmm. Also going to get Doc to give Esme once over after phone incident yesterday- know i'm being OTT, but had his AWFUL thought in the shower about that Actress/celebrity who had the skiing fall, hit her head, didn't know she was injured, then died! Paranoid Mummy Syndrome!

Oh.... the sun has now gone in & see darker clouds! Boo!

elkidee i've just looked at our weather forecast, only Drizzle tomorrow, the sunshine next 10 days! Where abouts are you? We're in Suffolk, so if you aren't far away then hopefully you'll be alright for birthday picnic in park!!!

have dropped dd1 @ nursery

ms s - hope antid work for u i have been on them twice in the past

rray - good luck with drs. dont worry about mentioning about accident with esme.

ray it's worse when you look young fo your age! When i had dd i was 21, nearly 22. I looked very young then (i am abit more rough around the edges these days) and i think people thought i was a teenage mum It's seems different with Finley though, maybe because i have dd as well? I don't know. My dp is 22 years older than me

We set a date for our wedding last night! The 18th September 2010 We got engaged two years ago and was going to get married last year in the summer but things happened with dp at work, staff troubles etc so we didn't get round to arranging anything. Then it got to the beginning of last year (08) and it was too late to organise anything for the summer so left it and decided to have Finley instead

The up side is both the children can be there, dd as a braidsmaid and Finley as a pageboy. He will look soooo cute in a little suit

Morning all,

Got five minutes while I wait for DD to wake up for a feed, so I thought I'd check in.

Got that awful Monday morning weekend aftermath feeling. I hate Mondays as I am always trapped in the house getting it straight after the weekend chaos. I am my own worst enemy though, as I just can't bring myself to do anything else until its all done - my barest minimum is to make sure the whole of the downstairs (which includes our bathroom and toilet) is finished and all the beds are done.

That said, its chucking it down here as well this morning, so probably better off indoors.

Actually DH offered to walk the boys to school to save taking DD out in the rain. I was speechless for a minute as offers of help and general thoughtfulness have not been much in evidence on DH's part of late.

I am hoping to have a big sort out upstairs this afternoon if there is time. Not holding out much hope though, this is umpteenth time I've planned to do it and still haven't got around to it.

Am a bit grrr with the dogs this morning as they broke into the bathroom and pinched all DD's dirty washing out of her washing basket then took it back to their beds so it was covered in slobber and fur. I've studied canined behaviour and I still don't really get why they pinched DD's clothes. They have been known to pinch my clothes on occasion before, but that makes sense as I am their pack leader and I figured its a scent/comfort thing. DH reckons DDs clothes must smell of me to them as well and her washing basket was easier to get into than ours. I'm not really convinced as with their canine sense of smell they would easily be able to distinguish my scent from hers.

They are all in strops now anyway, as I retaliated by giving them all a lovely hosepipe shower in the garden! They were seriously unimpressed, especially as I then put all their bedding on a boil wash so they didn't have any soft cushions to lie on. Grumpy faces all round!

MsSparkle sorry to hear about the PND, but glad you are being treated for it. Have you thought about asking for some counselling alongside your ADs. I had counselling and ADs with DS2 and it really helped to have someone I could offload to that wasn't involved and didn't judge - I found it really helped to speed my recovery and even dealt with a few latent issues along the way. It was also nice to have an hour a week away from the kids, talking to another adult! My counselling was done in the evening at the counsellors house so it sort of felt like a night out for me. Sad, but true.

Right baby waking, so best be off. Catch up later.

Congratulations on setting the date!

Right really am going now before she starts yelling.

moose LOL at grumpy dogs!! Good luck with attacking the housework!!

MsSparkle i think i'm neither old or young looking for my age, but i still sometime feel a bit worried i might look like a teenager mother. The OH quite rightly says "who bloody cares!!" Sometimes i concern myself with other peoples opinions & views FAR too much.

Fantastic on setting the date- We're getting married 12th june 2010, and Esme will be a little flower girl! i can't WAIT. Woo!!

Thought I'd pop back while dd feeds, so one handed here.

Dogs beds all dry and much happier dogs all snuggled up in their warm newly tumbled blankets.

Moose you sound like me, i always have to do a big tidy up after the weekend. I get the Monday blues too. Your dogs sound very mischievious My mums dog used to steal knickers and chew them

I had two councelling sessions just after Finley was born for erm antinatal depression The waiting list was long. The sessions did help but i felt awkward and when i actually said stuff out loud, i felt really stupid and like the stuff i was worrying about was actually really trivual compared to others problems

Oh yeah, stealing knickers, we have one that does that too! Naughty dog!

I didn't always discuss major issues with my counsellor, just sounded off a bit and had the occasional rant. A good counsellor should let you talk about whatever you feel you need to and gently guide you along. You shouldn't ever feel judged by them and they are not their to give their opinion or advice. I used to feel I was visiting a friend rather than going to see a professional and I think that's why it worked. Its good that the sessions you had helped but two sessions isn't enough, you need regular support for at least a couple of months.

Alternatively come on here and we'll be you're counsellors. As for worries being trivial, I'm always worrying about something and I often worry about the tiniest things. If I don't let the worries out they become huge and feel impossible to handle. Its always best to let them out - offloading is a wonderful thing. We are here to support each other.

hi

i having being shopping on vertbaudet again :-

have bought cloud lampshade, pink cot sheet with flowers and greay cot sheet with flowers plus pink fleece blanket for cot. found codes online so saved money

ms sparkle thats exciting news bet you cant wait to start planning

mm - sounds stressful your end glad dogs have warm bed back
what breed are they? how old etc?

we have a ginger and white cat called james he is 9 years old very loving

i did washing etc and cleaning yest morning as dh was working so chilling today

Hi everyone,

Wow, lots to catch up on... as usual.

MsSparkle hope the under-1s group goes well - that sounds really nice - often at the groups here Nye is the youngest by far. Lots of toddlers running around (his head). He is fascinated by them.

MM Monday morning cleaning.... once again you sound far more organised and dynamic than I can imagine being! Supermum!

ray at least most people know that 'Esme' is a name! Often when I say 'Aneurin', at least in England, people have no idea what I am saying... oops. But it's fine in Wales. A good Welsh name.

Hope your appt goes ok - sounds like an ingrowing hair to me, you can get some really evil ones that lurk under the surface! Re: the actress who died of a head injury... the thought has been terrifying me because of OH's accident on Saturday! But he seems okay. Lucky OH has now had 2 unbroken nights' sleep in the spare room. But I think he's missing us now.

chefswife LOL at OH not getting any.... you sound very brave with the ferber method... is it really not that bad? How long does LO cry for? We are thinking of trying a gentle version soon.... It does sound like you've done well though, as wasn't V refusing to be put down a few weeks ago? I seem to remember she was always in a sling.

We went swimming for the first time this morning! Nye wasn't overly impressed and just looked around very seriously, but at least there were no tantrums. He got very happy afterwards in the changing room though, and is now sleeping the sleep of the dead. It was quite tough by myself though, getting him and myself changed, and we had to skip the shower part, so I now need to go and bathe to get rid of the smell of chlorine.

Came home starving... scary thought that when I stop breastfeeding I will have to eat sensibly again. Am loving all the cake and puddings I seem to be able to put away at the moment without effect!

Oooh hope dog and lenni are having fun together!

Hi Tink, love Vertbaudet, used to buy tonnes of stuff for the boys from there but haven't really done any shopping for dd there yet.

We have 3 dogs, an 11 year old Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier who used to be my partner for heelwork to music, agility and obedience but is now a grumpy, smelly old lady (not her fault, she had oral cancer), a belgian shepherd cross border collie who is 10 and a right royal pita in every way possible, highly strung, neurotic, constantly ill with ears and skin, and a 3 year old gorgeous lurcher boy who is a real sweetie and softie but does have a tendancy to pinch food off the worksurface so we have to be super vigilant around him in the kitchen! Yes, they are a tad stressful sometimes but the two girls came a long time before the children and the lurcher was an emergency rescue. We've kept dogs since before we were married (we were married in 1992) and have now had 7 including the ones we currently have and one that had to go back to the NCDL, because it was aggressive to women and bit me several times in the first couple of days. It was always my intention to do some higher study on canine behaviour and eventually become a behaviourist, but then we decided we wanted children and it was all put on hold for a few years. I did study canine history, behaviour, health, first aid and breeding though and had to train my Wheaten as part of the course - quite useful really as she had to learn how to walk nicely next to a pushchair for part of the final exam.

MissJ I'm not really organised, everything is more done out of necessity these days. When I only had DS1 I used to be a lot more inclined (and able) to have lie-ins and spend whole days just cuddling and playing with him - its impossible to do that now with 3 kids, 3 dogs and a tiny house. That said, I used to be known for my organisational skills. I was super organised in every way, I even had a 6 month stock of nappies, wipes and baby toiletries before DS1 born and then managed it with an inventory system so we never ran out of anything. I also used to spend hours batch cooking/baking and freezing for us and creating weaning meals for DS1 which were then frozen in individual meal cubes and colour coded (did that for DS2 as well). Ah those were the days. These days I seem to be constantly running from one lot of chaos to another and never seem to catch up enough to get organised. Its the one thing that I'm finding really hard this time round - I can't stand being disorganised.

Oh my God look at all the posts!!

Ok - there is so much news! So in no particular order, and missing loads out..

Congratulations to all those who had shopping accidents. More stuff is good

Am at those of you meeting up, but I hope you have a nice time, I suppose

Ray - congratulations to dh, marvellous stuff. Good going with a new baby no? No tummy time here either, but super strong neck for 'googling about' as dd1 calls it.

Am totally shocked and bit 'I dunno how I feel about that' about the Jan 2010 thread. We aren't heavily pregnant princesses and our babies aren't tiny newbies anymore. but excited for the future too. Sigh.

Ms Sparkle - competitive parenting. Ah yes - like when people have had a cold sooooo worse than yours. It's very strange but really common it seems. Tell them all yours can do baby signing, in Mandarin. Seems to stump them. I found it nigh on impossible to make rl friends through my kids - as I can't be arsed with all that stuff. Plus I always suspect them of lying!

EachPeach - I'm really glad you are less concerned about head shape. It must have been niggling you.

MissJ - hope you are feeling less ground down. Our babies are getting bigger and will be less full on soon......bring it on!! we are all getting there [dunno where there is I hope it's nice]

Had a night away from the kids on Sat - mum had them. It was great. We slept and had a KFC, in a hotel bed, with James Bond on the telly. Very simple, very effective. £50 for the room, it doesn't take much to rally us mum's does it. Not that I wouldn't prefer a week somewhere warm.

hi miss j - swimming sounds good
have enroled bracken on list for swimming lessons will be taking her in sept when dd1 is @ school.

mm - dont get on with vrbt clothes luv there bedroom bits.
dd1s room is kitted out with all there bits and bracken to be lovely 2
dogs sound lovely

hi tree wknd sounded good

Hi all, have just scoffed a large plate of bubble and squeak as was starving after missing lunch and didn't get chance to eat until gone 5.00 because the boys homework took an hour and a half!

Tree good to hear from you - feels like long time no see, although I'm sure its only been a couple of days. at you getting a night off - but you really deserved it so I shall control my jealousy. Glad you had a nice night.

Tink I know what you mean about the clothes, got some great things for the boys when they were little but you have to be selective and I don't really like any of the older boy stuff. I haven't found anything I want to buy for dd yet either. We do have some things in the boys room from there though including a sun lampshade and a toybox and I used to have a lovely nappy storage box for DS2. I tend to avoid buying any of the clothes that are either written in french or translated into completely incomprehensible english. Some of their miniprices stuff can be ok though - just remembered I did buy dd some wrap around bodysuits/vests from there and they were really nice, which is fortunate as she absolutely hates having bodysuits put over her head no matter which way I try to do it.

Here's a question for those of you who have had little girls before. Just bought some lovely little tshirts to go under sundresses and realised if its hot she wont be needing a bodysuit and a tshirt - so what do I do with the bottom half so-to-speak? What do you dress them in nappy wise when its hot and they are wearing little sundresses? Is that what those frilly pant things are all about? (Always wondered why they sold those.) I've just about got my head around dresses with tights and the initial confusion I had about whether tights went inside or outside of bodysuits and now the weather is warming up - gah! Little girl clothes are so confusing. I am assuming nappy on display is not a good look?