Jan 09' Dribbling, drooling, swaying and babbling...thats just the mamas....

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Hi moose - we used those cute frilly pants to hide the pampers. Though the nappy feels less secure and you have to change more often if they are the gel type - as the gell gets so heavy when wet.Not sure about the eco friendly ones.

Ah Moose, there is a washable nappy woman in you. Get yourself a furry itti for under the fav frock and there will be no going back
We have the same wrap over vests as you - brilliant things and a lovely close fit so good under things.

Don't think I've been around since Thursday - feels like ages!

hi moose - i have some lovely short sleeved and long sleeved bodsuits from vertbaudet plus sleepsuits that do up @ the back.

with summer dresses if hot i would just use short sleeved body suit underneath. or i use longsleeved bodysuits under dresses. wiuld use bodysuit and tshirt if chilly.

Thanks guys. I knew I'd be hopeless at the girly stuff.

Actually I was talking to DH about buying some ittis on Saturday and actually said to him that another plus for them was that I could buy them to coordinate with dresses for the summer. Am sorely tempted to go washables while we are at home and just keep eco disposables for when we are out. Not quite there yet though. Think I will invest in a couple of ittis and see how I get on. I am right that they don't need wraps aren't I?

Oops, just realised the time - haven't started tea yet - back later!

mssparkle oh ya. DH does all the cooking when he is home. all i can muster is pasta. i hate cooking meat as i always overcook it. he makes lovely stuff... probably why he wins awards for his restaurants. maybe why your LO is yelling at the baby is because she can't figure out why he won't respond to her. sort of like when people raise their voices when speaking to someone of a different language... somehow they think they'll understand better if they yell. hope your anti-depressants do the job this time. i've never had to take them but my mom and sister have struggled to find a balance.

moose don't worry about sorting out the upstairs. i have milk crates i've been meaning to put away in a crawl space for months now. having to move the tv to do it is what is stopping me. the milk crates have become a bit of a fixture. hahaha i've also become a pro at one-handed typing although right now DH has DD and they're watching law and order while i fart around here and on facebook.

msjackson yes, she refused to be in the crib. even if i went near it she whimpered. the ferber method isn't what the reputation that has developed around it. the idea is to get the LO's use to self sooth and going to sleep on own. you feed them good, make sure they have a dry diaper on, lay them in their crib, (we have a teddy bear for comfort) tell them you love them then leave them to it. when they begin to cry, you time for five minutes and go back in and comfort them by patting them while smiling and talking softly. don't pick them up. say night night i love and walk out. when they start crying increase the time by a minute and increase the time by a minute each time you have to go in. the first night it took over an hour to get her to fall asleep. but by the fourth night, last night, i only had to go in twice. its a good idea to let your neighbours know too that there may be some excessive crying. be diligent and don't give in. you are the boss. no matter how hard the crying gets... just know they are fine and they are only throwing tantrums.

gotta go. DD is hungry. so am i. will catch up later. later ladies.

chef Glad the method seems to be working for you. That said, i thought the method was only designed to be used for 6 Months and over? Not sure the theory behind that. Ooooh, having OH cook sounds lovely, but that said, i don't think the product would be edible! I took over where his mother left off, and have always cooked everything, even fetched his snacks!! But, i have to say, Especially when i was pregnant, i really enjoy cooking, and cooking for him. He loves his food, so to put something infront of him & him really enjoy it makes me

Moose i've had great fun getting to grips with little girls stuff. For Next winter, as i doubt your DD will be in tights much longer, i rumbled Tights from gap with FRILLY Bottoms! They are Adorable, Esme's little bottom looked SO cute!! Nearly all the summer dresses i have came with matching little Knickers to go over the nappy, if not, like you said you can buy little Frilly ones! As for Socks... Gap do lovely little Frilly Socks, and i find Gap socks stay on the best. Vest wise, You can get sleeveless ones, but they aren;t very Slimline, Quite Chunky... So when warm enough think will give it a miss! Hope that helps!

Tree How are things in your Camp MRS? Glad you got a night away.... Ditto on the fancying somehwere Warm, but Comfort Food, Comfy Hotel room = Good times!

MissJ Doc not worried about Lump or Esme post incident. Said something about the lump being a something boil (Ewe, how gross does that sound!) But to be fair, its TINY, you can't even see it, only feel it, prob 1/2 a pea size! Said would sort itself.

Esme was similar for her 1st swimming trip. Didn't smile, or Splash, just Gazed around... Everytime after swimming she is totally wiped out. I think the new experiences, and so much to look at are exhusting!

MsSparkle have you decided what kind of wedding you would like? Its exciting planning!

gawd I've totally fallen behind on the thread again - keep starting to read bits and then having to run off and do things, so I am getting everything mixed up and half-arsed.

sorry to anyone I get the wrong end of the stick with..

chefswife does it feel like you've cracked the sleeping in the crib thing? there's a technique I know, if you're interested, that can be a useful precursor to Ferber/ other sleep training methods, especially if los start to fear the crib - you'd said your dd had started to whimper even going near it? sounds like you're doing pretty well though already!

moose I am with you on dressing-girl confusion.. Rosie is mainly in babygros but with the weather getting nicer I think I'll soon give in to temptation to buy some dresses and other bits.. So far I have been internet window shopping, sometimes even got as far as putting stuff into a basket but then have shut the computer down before I checkout .. what a great money saving strategy
Can I just check - is is tights over bodysuits??

missj your OHs accident sounds terrifying, really glad to hear he is ok. made me think - since becoming a mum, has anyone else felt like life is so much more precious, and more fragile? I am forever being grabbed by urges to squeeze the people I love because of that.. never used to be like it.

MsSparkle would you go back for more sessions if you were offered them? IME counselling often feels really odd at the start - it is an unusual situation, the conversations aren't like ones you have with anyone else - and it can take a while to build trust and feel ok to come out with what is going round your head. and I agree with moosemama, however trivial stuff might feel, and odd it is to name it, if it festers and builds up it can become unbearable. Besides, the small things are often hard because they trigger bigger things underneath, if that makes sense.
.. and woohoo for you and ray for wedding dates!!
My parents will be over for our wedding anniversary so we will have babysitters and be able to go out!!! YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY - tree your night away sounds superb!

ray if it isn't TMI, would you mind sharing what you need to have done, if your lump is an ingrown hair? I have something very similar sounding..

Dog & Lenni hope Heligan was lush and not too rainy

Lenni thanks for asking about dh and me - it is patchy - I don't think he thinks I'm doing very well as a mother of 2. He asked last week if I should go and 'talk to someone' because I didn't seem happy. I'm glad that he is concerned, I guess, but I don't feel depressed at all, just knackered, and I was a bit that he didn't get that...

moosemama not sure if you can get them in England, although i'm sure you can order them online, but i use babylegs, they're little leggings and DD lives in them. i put a onezee on her and the babylegs and she is great. they make for changing very easy too. they come in all sorts of designs; my favorite ones for DD are the skull and cross bones that are wearing pink bandanas. very cute.
www.babylegs.com/newWeb/home.php?main=home&sub=home

so i'm sitting here with DD on my lap on a BF pillow and watching her flick my nipple and giggle about it. oowwww... little bugger just nipped it and smiled.

ray the health nurse said 4 months is good to start. i know when DD is throwing a fit and when she is genuinely stressed and needs me. good to hear lump is not serious. good that you went to see doctor too. i hear that moms tend to forget that even though they may be at the doctors lots, it is usually for the kids, and they forget about themselves.

tomorrow is swim day... which means hot tub for mom while DH and DD hang out in the pool with other fathers. ya! i'm off to do some 'accidental' shopping. double ya!

spink i believe DD's issue with the crib was more her trying to control things because i was so lax to begin with and the crib represented her relinquishing that control. i want to get a t-shirt that says 'MAMA IS THE BOSS'.

Spink I think its tights over bodysuit - seems to look better that way. However, I was completely thrown last week by a Junior J dress and bodysuit that had ruffles on the bottom of the bodysuit. Didn't have a clue what to do as was obviously a winter outfit for a cold day (velvet dress and long sleeved body suit). In the end I just had to do bodysuit over tights, but it didn't look right and was very conscious of it all day.

I know what you mean about feeling knackered - I've been the same, partly the anaemia, partly just never having 5 minutes to breathe. I have felt quite tearful today but as you say, not depressed, just really, really knackered.

I decided we should sort out our holiday so I have something to look forward to and we have finally agreed this evening what we are doing this year. We are off to the family house in Ireland, but instead of the usual cabin on the night ferry we are going to leave a day early and stop at a travelodge in Wales on the way. Not only will this help DH as its a really long drive in the VW, the boys absolutely love travelodges for some strange reason, so they will be really excited. Best of all, we have enough Tesco vouchers to cover the ferry fare so the holiday won't cost us a penny.

On the not so good news front, DD has been really out of sorts all day and hasn't pooed since tea time yesterday - totally out of character as she is usually regular as clockwork. Seriously not looking forward to its arrival after yesterdays incident.

chef those babylegs look great. Not seen them over here, I know there is something similar available but not as funky.

Dog glad you and Lenni had a nice day. Poor little Arlo though. I remember when DS1 fell down the stairs at about the same age. I was at the top and saw him go top to bottom, head over feet again and again - it was terrifying, I was convinced he'd broken his neck and would be dead at the bottom, but he just got up and walked away without so much as a scratch! I guess some kids just bounce. Glad he wasn't badly hurt and hope his nose is better soon.

Just googled babylegs and guess what - you can get them here - oh dear - I can feel another shopping accident coming on.

moose the hol sounds like a fab idea, and I love it that your boys have travelodge excitement What is your VW like? I love them - grew up being driven about in one and whenever I see one it makes me smile.
talking of hols -my parents have offered to take the 4 of us on holiday next summer, wherever we want to go! could really get carried away but we will be sensible and not take advantage of them!

ray I love the pic of Esme on fb. Where did you get her sunhat from?? I was saying to dh yesterday that I wanted to get Rosie a white broderie anglaise one... and then I saw Esme's!!

Dog - sorry to hear about your lo's fall - is he ok now? and have you had a stiff drink??

Dog - Isla Rose 10.02.09 8lb 15oz (two other Dc's Bethany Ella 14.04.05 (4) Arlo Louis 01.12.06 (2)
Spink - Rosie Anne 07.01.09 7lb5oz & ds Frank Feliks 20.02.07 (2)

Dog here here here and buy 2 get one pair free! also seem to be on lots of other sites. Are the ones you've got called Huggalugs? They look cool too.

Spink Next do two plain broiderie anglaise hats here and here. I've looked everywhere else but everywhere seems to have only big sizes left.

Aw go on then - I'll tell you my DCs names, you know everything else about me by now anyway:

Dog - Isla Rose 10.02.09 8lb 15oz (two other Dc's Bethany Ella 14.04.05 (4) Arlo Louis 01.12.06 (2)
Spink - Rosie Anne 07.01.09 7lb5oz & ds Frank Feliks 20.02.07 (2)
Moose - Elizabeth Jane 15.01.09 (two ds's Patrick George 10.04.02 (7) and Edward Matthew 18.04.04 (5)

Oooh almost forgot. I have to have a pair of these for Elizabeth: oddtights

i love those tights! gotta get some. today's 'accidental' shop found me coming home with a musical set (includes a harmonica, gazoo, finger clappers, a jingle rattle and a xylophone, all made of wood) and a pair of robeez, the best little shoes. www.robeez.com/EN-US/default.htm the musical set has DD completely entranced. the xylophone is great. i wanted to put her in 1-6 months music class but they are a bit pricey right now so i will play around with these. i play the guitar for her lots and she seems to like that.

dog glad ds is okay- but aaarrgh for a&e just what you needed after a day out.

sorry for all those struggling with pnd. depression is such a difficult thing to live with at any time, but with a teeny parasite infant too who neeeds consant care it must be utterly exhausting on top of the draining.

tights- under the poppers- keeps them up!
you can get nappy covers (frilly cute ones too) from vertbaudet, and sometimes gap and mothercare. sorry tink I like vertbaudet clothes as well as furnishings- I don't dress dd in pink, so its a good source, or was- seems to have gone off a little recently.

moose naughty dogs!

shopping- well its much less tempting with a boy! there stufff is mostly vile- sludge-coloured and slogans abound [grr] I do like this place though.... (girls and boys- gorgeous)

Dog - Isla Rose 10.02.09 8lb 15oz (two other Dc's Bethany Ella 14.04.05 (4) Arlo Louis 01.12.06 (2)
Spink - Rosie Anne 07.01.09 7lb5oz & ds Frank Feliks 20.02.07 (2)
Moose - Elizabeth Jane 15.01.09 (two ds's Patrick George 10.04.02 (7) and Edward Matthew 18.04.04 (5)
FYM - James 04.02.09 and Frederick (3.5)

Sorry for not posting , been really busy having to start back at work a couple of hours a day which was basically my mumsnetting/relaxing time ....

PS do any of you object to me 'stealing' the girls names from the list for our website....? Have just set up an 'Isla' ring as rapidly running out of ideas!