December 2007 "The one where babies walk the walk... and talk the talk"

[Arcadie]

I'm sorry - I couldn't last out. Welcome to the new thread.

Oh no, poor Evie Cazzy! Glad she is not all miserable with it and hope it clears up soon. I like the purple Eglu too, trouble is I like them all (except the blue for some reason). I am drawn towards the Orange one at the moment though (DH says get the one with the best resale value ). Checked the Omlet website last night and they are actually £20 cheaper than I thought so it makes it really pointless to by a 4 year old one from ebay which I will have to collect when for £20 - £30 more I can have a new one...

Insy, I totally understand the windowsill thing, my last house had none and I hated not having them! Not that I put anything on them now I have them but it just seems proper IYSMWIM? DH took out the old painted ones and put in some lovely wooden ones which he stained up I think you could possibly be right about chickens though , although DS1 might think it funny to share his house with the chooks (until they pooed in there)!

Buzzy, that is terribly about the Mum at DDs creche losing her baby, I always feel particularly sad when one is lost so close to term . With regard to DDs cough and ventolin, my DD was given it when she had bronchialitis (sp) and was coughing so hard she was throwing up, it really helped her, especially at night when she was waking herself up coughing. She has no signs of asthma since (touch wood) although I was really wary of giving her the ventolin to begin with.

DD is coming out with new words all the time too, she likes to talk to DH on the phone when he calls although usually she just says "yes" in response to every thing he says. Today he asked her what she was doing and she said "sit on Mum" - yay! That's exactly what she was doing!

Beckle - wow I am amazed at all these babies putting words together. I thought Martha was doing well with her words but I don't think she has ever put two together apart from "more spoon" (she is slightly obsessed with spoons and often ends up feeding herself with three or four at a time) and more 'cumber (cucumber).

Right. Question of the hour. Anyone else's LO's hit the terrible twos yet? Martha is 18 months this week and has turned into a right little madam. She tantrums when I put her in the car seat, tantrums when I take dd1's toy away from her, tantrums when I try to get her to put back a book she is trying to steal from a cafe (etc etc etc). She also pretends to cry, I caught her watching me this morning and every time I looked she screwed her eyes up and started making that silly "aha aha" noise. That actually was hilarious.

But she is also having full blown, lie down on the floor tantrums in public now. dd1 never tantrummed in public so this is new to me and I am finding it exhausting. Please don't tell me this is it for the next year or so!

Clara ds is an absolute nightmare, so far today he has dug up plants in the garden, posted all the dvds down behind the radiator, thrown a coffee table across the sitting room and poured his drink all over the sofa even when I told him to stop and took it off him-he got it back 20 minutes later and immediately went back to pouring it on the chair. This is on top of the usual fighting dd and emptying the cupboards. TBH when he does stuff like throw the coffee table it does make me wonder if there is something wrong with him rather than normal naughty toddler behaviour...

Earlier on I said "When I say no it means..." and he said Yes . Obviously no respect for my authority!

clairey - hopefully normal toddler behaviour! i don't think she is feeling very well, which makes things worse but i can't believe i am already using the naughty corner (we used this all of about three times with dd1). I even threatened her with it when she wouldn't sit down in her car seat in the supermarket car park this morning. It does sort of work, although I haven't yet worked out which "corner" I should put her in in the car park!!

I know, dd has sat on the naughty step about 5 times-ds has already doubled that! I'm not sure he understands but if nothing else it gives him a bit of time out from destructiveness

oh dear, lots of sympathy to those with naughty babies! I think my two are the other way round - DD was much naughtier than DS who actually seems to take notice of the word no on the odd occasion which is something quite new to me!

FWIW I think both your DC sounds entirely normal clairey and clara, and I'm afraid it is likely to continue for a while... perhaps even a bit more than a year

buzzy - so sorry to hear about the mum at uor DD's nursery - awful awful awful

beckle - can;t believe evie said that!! She is obviously very clever

we thought DS was doing well this morning when he spontaneously said 'cokcoks' because DH had forgotten to put his socks on! Reminded me that DD had an embarrassing stage of calling just about everything (socks, clock...) 'COCK'

My Evie is more assertive than the other 2 at her ages, but I think it because I had more time to talk things through with them and also there was less stuff around they couldn't have ...dds 1 and 2 are for ever leaving sissors, pens. marbles, lego etc around that Evie finds and then Evie feels indignant that she is not allowed to play with them.

But hell maybe it is a dec baby thang - that they will have have tantrums early

Aw ds is sat on my lap and we were playing then suddenly his head dropped and he is asleep! he has never ever EVER just dropped off to sleep like that before

Am just glad the computer was still on and within reach

DD is tantrum-ing too. Normally just because we've either said no to something or we're taking her away from something before she wants to leave. Last week she was in the garden with a little cleaning brush (hers) and was trying to brush her teeth using some vaguely revolting rainwater that had built up in a planter. When I told her that she'd have to go inside if she tried it again, she thought about it, tried it and then kicked off when I took her inside. She promptly then stomped off to the stairgate, ripped it open and took herself off to her bedroom. Haven't tried the naughty step bit though.

Had awful start to the morning yesterday. Went into DDs room at 5.30 to find that she'd had rampant diarrhoea in the night and it had leaked all over her, her pj's and the bedding. Changed her and the bed and she slept through it all. Molar No.3 arrived with it and looks like No. 4 is coming too. She said "teeth hurty" this morning which was a first.

beckle we're off to France to visit my sister & brother in law for the first time. They've only managed to get over a couple of times since DD arrived so haven't spent much time with her and they don't have children themselves so our week with them will be interesting! My sister did get quite upset at one point because she got a new puppy just after DD arrived and was not impressed that our mum was spending more time talking about DD than the puppy! Remember what it was like before kids everyone?

Wow spiralqueen, your dd sounds much older than she is!

Sorry about her teeth, ds is getting his fangs through at the moment and is grumpy but thankfully sleeping ok (ok for ds that is!)

I felt so bad today, I had to FORCE dd2 into her car seat, literally kicking and screaming. But what can you do? You have to get them home and they have to go in their seats. I kept telling her I would leave her behind if she didn't get into her seat but this set dd1 off into fits of tears as she thought I meant it.

Honestly if I didn't have dd1 I think I would stop going out anywhere with dd2 as I am sick of being the shouty screamy stressy mum with the tantrumming toddler.....

gosh clara, that is just a normal daily occurrence for me! I thought it was for everyone . I think DS kicks up a stink 8-9 times out of 10 when I put him in his pushchair (sure it would be same with carseat but don't drive). But I completely agree that you just have to out them it and there is no negotiating on it so if they scream they scream (and that's coming form the softest, least strict, hippy dippy mother you could ever meet!

spiralqueen - I second that your DD sounds so grown up! Whenever I read your posts I forget you only have one DD and think you are talking abiut an older sister!

Had a horrible afternoon today - went to a colleague's house for a work party and it was the first time most of my colleagues have met my DC. DD was all excited, wearing her best party dress, hair clip etc and then was an absolute nightmare - crying, tantrums, bossing colleague's DS about. I could just tell everyone thought she was a right little madam and I felt like screaming, she's not usually like this - she's so lovely and sweet and considerate. I hate other people thinking badly of her, even though I undersatnd why they did. I can't bear the thought of them saying, skid's DD is awful And the worst thing was the second we left she was an absolute angel as usual

Ds has been having proper tantrums too!

We've been to Alton Towers today, took DS on the Squirrel Nutkin ride, and the tractor ride. He absolutely loved watching the rollercoasters, and got very excited watching them whoosh past!

Skid - it's a daily occurence for us too but it just seemed to be worse than usual yesterday - dd2 was tired, hungry, isn't feeling too well and I had just taken her out of her buggy (which I had forced her into) to then have to force her into her carseat (after first extracting her from the front seat where she was pretending to drive the car). So she REALLY kicked off and I fear I was actually hurting her I was havigng to use so much force to get her in.

I know we probably all think our children cry/scream/tantrum the loudest but I KNOW mine does

As for your dd/colleagues that must be really frustrating, especially as she behaved so nicely afterwards but hopefully anyone there with children of their own will realise that all children behave like this sometimes. I used to think a friend of mine had an appallingly behaved child because I had only met her when she was around 2/3 years old. I couldn't believe it when I met her a year or two later and she was a perfectly well behaved little girl. That was before I had children.

If it's any compensation anyone who saw me yesterday would think I have the worst behaved 18-month-old in the world!

BT - very of going to Alton Towers, I love theme parks! We are hoping to go to Orlando next year, looking forward to taking them to Disneyland!

You guys wouldn't be the first to say that. I've had several people say "She's been here before" because she does seem very grownup in some of the stuff she does. I don't how much of it is because she likes mixing with older children at every opportunity and outside of nursery is mainly with adults rather than other children.

The other week I was having the same problem as Clara trying to get DD into the car after nursery, when one of the other mum's (a teacher) came over and suggested that I let DD sit in the driver's seat and pretend to drive the car but tell her she could only do it for a minute. Then set the alarm on the mobile phone to go off a minute later, then when it goes off put her back in her seat. Can't say it was deeply successful but did at least calm her down for a short while.

She does now check up to see how I'm doing whenever we are there at the same time .

Clara when DD is old enough can you take her to theme parks for me? I've got a real fear of all the big rides - sometimes get the collywobbles on the teacups

SQ - I am guessing the other mum thought your dd was a lot older than she is as well to suggest that. My dd would have no clue why the alarm had gone off and would totally ignore any suggestion she could only do it for a minute (as if she would know what a minute is!). It might work with my three-year-old but certainly not dd2!! Which is why I find this age so frustrating, because they are mobile and into everything but too young to understand WHY they can't do it all!!

Apologies for so many posts by the way. DH has been away for a couple of weeks and I have been craving company/conversation! I am actually on about 13 threads on MN at the moment, which must be a record for me!

Hi all,

well I have some news... I am preg!!! I am both terrified and excited, mostly terrified. Just found out today - tested to rule out the possibility so i could have a couple of glasses of wine guilt-free. Never ever ever expected it to be positive as I have no symptoms at all. OMG three under 5 - how on earth will I cope?

clairey I hope my news doesn't make you sad . I know how much you want another one.

WOW Skid, congrats!

Had an email a couple of days ago from one of my NCT AN chums and she is preg - she has the youngest baby in the group, and he'll be 22 months when his new baby bro/sis comes along! No news from my other friend who had the m/c, I'm hoping she has had the BFP and is keeping shtum for now!

Congratulations Skid

Don't be silly, as if I'd begrudge you your baby. Of course I am but very excited for you as well! Long may the no symptoms live, the thought of morning sickness again is the one negative thing I can think of re being pg again.

(ps I did have my suspicions because I saw your name on a waiting to test thread in active convos-was just waiting for you to come on and confirm!)

Argh that sounded as if I am totally pregnancy obsessed and stalk was browsing a ttc thread-I mean you were the most recent poster on a thread in active convos and your name kind of jumped out at me as one I recognised.

congratulations skid! Were you trying or was it a pleasant suprise? I know you couldn't decide either way - did you just let nature take it's course in the end?

You'll be fine with three under five. A friend of mine who I met in hospital when I had dd2 is going to just miss having three under three when she has her third in October. And they are all boys!!!! She seems remarkably calm about it all......

When is your due date?

waiting for number 3 to put in an appearance -4 days to d-day but never made it to due date before for so fingers crossed, anyway huge congrats skid!! 3 under 5 will be great manic, messy and noisy but good fun (can you tell thats what I keep telling myself about having a just 3yr old, 18 mo and baby! )

hi everyone else - will be back v soon for a catch up x

Skid Wwwwaaaaayyyyyhaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!

Insy 4 days. How is that possible. it doesn't seem 2 weeks since you posted you were pg. Looking forward to hearing good news soon.

BT 22 months a very good age gap!

everyone else Have been lurking but have nothing exciting to report. Sorry for boring news.

ahhh very me me me post but having contractions... or so I thought, just when I get everyone on standby to look after boys everything dies down or maybe I relaxed too much advice on getting things moving? god I think I've forgotten everything!