Dec 08- Must keep chocolate & cheerfulness near, teething time is nearly here!

[pmk1]

Right.... back to post the link now!

what do you call middle of the night? After the voms though, isn't she starving again? B is if he voms.... such a waste of EBM and washing powder! Fortunately he rarely vomits though, last nights projectile number was unheard of!

See thing is, B used to sleep fine right through from 9-6, and it all went pear shaped when he started getting sleepy at 6-7pm ish..... Tonights new plan is the same as Turnip suggested, except instead of dream feed, do awake feed and burp etc

morning all!

Sorry for last night's misery chez moi. No change last night...
I'm feeling better just for the fact that it's a new day. I'm more of a morning person. Still rather on the edge of tears though so you are all under strict instruction to NOT be nice to me or say anything that might set me off

Veggie - We had a playground incident yesterday when a little girl in L's class just went up to her and pushed her for no reason (she's the daughter of the lady I gave the nappies to). I saw and Lu looked really upset, so I said to the girl "now X that wasn't very kind was it - please don't do that again". I felt I had to say something because I wanted to show Lu that it's not acceptable behaviour from anyone. Her mum had seen and sent X over to apologize, which she did and gave Lu a hug, then her mum kept apologizing to me and saying it was not like X to do that and she's just started doing it - perhaps something she's seen at school. I would never yell at someone else's child (or my own as far as I can control myself) but I am happy to calmly tell them off and I would be happy for someone to do that to my child if she did something to someone else's child and I hadn't seen. I have a CD of the African Children's Choir and one of their songs is "it takes a whole village to raise a child" - I think we're not very good here at looking out for a everyone else's welfare - we're so obsessed with ourselves and our rights. Don't know what I'm waffling on about now! Sorry

We never had terrible 2s with Lu. A friend of mine said that girls usually miss terrible 2s and instead have git-like 3s!

Kayz - poor you with the smelly hot house . Hope you manage to get out today - at least it looks like it might turn out nice.

Am going to try expressing again and go for another attempt at the bottle so DH could do a few feeds in the Easter Hols. HV reckons we've missed the boat with getting her to take a bottle though so I don't hold out much hope.

Right.
Best attack my ironing pile. Not quite as high as jam's but looming large...I seem to be constantly washing!

Trace, Effie and Verso - You are not alone with the bad nights. Really you are not. After her great start to sleeping DD2 is trying her best to kill me through sleep deprivation. We get a good 4ish hour stretch from 7pm and then she usually wakes every 2.5 hours (or in the case of last night even more). I am feeding her each time as otherwise she is inconsolable. Also she has only put on one pound in the last 6 weeks so I can believe she is hungry. God it is hard. Really hard. Really, really, really hard.

I am off to the gym and DD2 to the creche. I am too tired for exercise though and I have been told to avoid tiring myself because of the recurrent mastitis (yeah right, I'll just rest then shall I doctor ). Anyway I am going to use my hour off to do a few slow laps of the pool and then read Brideshead in the hot tub. Its doctor's orders after all .

Oh my painted arse >

Am so ill. My friend from Scotland came down and we drank silly, silly amounts. Had a disco til 4am, dancing round with m like a loon. He's now asleep, poor child. Must be drinking neat white wine.

I am NEVER drinking again.

Hope you are all well.

I agree Trace it should be like that and I think if it was there would also be more understanding of childrens place in our community. More and more these days I feel like children are seen as annoying disturbance in an adults world. Ds1 was actually a great 2 year old and is a fun 3 year old but I'm sure some people would see his fun playful attitude as load and annoying. I hate having to make him quiet just because a couple of people find his normal behaviour annoying.

Effie I think our boys are very similar, ds1 cries straight away when he is hit and I let him cry because it's upsetting to be hit and I think he gets hurt that his friend wants to do that to him. We have been encouraging him to tell his friend that he doesn't like it but I don't think the other boy is really that bothered. It difficult because he doesn't have as many little friends up here as he did in London but we are seeing more kids who don't hit now and I think be is seeing that it is very much the wrong thing to do. He did try a couple of times to hit his friend back and because his friend cried and got upset he has stopped doing that now. He doesn't cry at bossy girls though I think instead he finds them quite enchanting, one girl who is quite bossy (she's brilliant she is going to be CEO of some big company one day) he follows her around like a sad puppy.

PMK and Verso sorry about your bad nights, ds2 woke twice I think for feeds for the 2nd one I blearily looked at my watch and it was 5.30 (I usually don't check what time he wakes) I was thinking of Turnips advice not to feed at 5am so I put dummy but he screamed at me so popped on boob smartly. He normally doesn't really wake up fully when feeding he just has a grizzle I put him on he feeds off both sides while seemingly asleep then is asleep by the time I lay him in his cot. I think that's ok I've never thought to do anything different. I have to change his nappy once overnight as otherwise he will wet through.

Sybil !!

am watching the Wright Stuff and they're discussing whether it's better for ladies to be fat or look old!!!

Oh dear Syb shall I put a coffee on for you then or hair of the dog.

Enjoy hot tub Arti I think a swim would do you good.

I'm feeling sooooooo tired I did a big lower body muscle building session and I am completely shattered this morning. I think someone needs to develop an exercise system that good for breastfeeding women I find it really hard to work out a balance of enough strength training and exercise to lose weight but that leaves me with enough energy to feed.

Any laughing Buddha is awake now and being cute so better go.

Oh Kayz how is your knee?

Oh and ZJ I have put some seeds in the ground but have some seedlings as well, I don't have a greenhouse but I have some old drawer and Perspex so was going to make 'cold boxes' I think that's what they are called. Get me PMK I'm Don Burke.

Strewth Veggie ahh the memories of my parents watching his show... every one! [skips off singing and reminiscing] "Gimmee-a-home-amongst-the-gumtree's-with-lots-of-plum-tree's"..........

Veggie It is still pretty bad. I'm seeing the physio on april 14th. I'm hoping that she will be able to do something as I don't think weight loss will happen if I don't exercise. I'm hoping to go swimming soon, meant to be going with mum.

Oh Kayz you poor thing, I think it is appalling how long you have had to wait for the physio, your gonna end up hurting another part your body because you are compensating for the knee.

PMK we used to all jump in to my parents bed on a Sunday morning to listen to the Radio show he had on 2UE before he started the TV show. He used the same theme song. My brother rang in to find out how to successfully plant a fern he had bought for my mum and spoke to the Man himself. It was a proud moment. I have to say it has taken me a long time to get into gardening but it is in my blood somewhere as we all have gotten into it at some stage. Hopefully my dad will be my gardens guardian angel, he was quite a farmer at heart, (in a Boiler Makers body)and I think my garden is gonna need his help.

Noooooo I've just been pooed on again, you think I would learn!!!!

Ooh where is the York meet up? Is there a separate thread? Please point me in the right direction..

I don't have the time to check my hattyyellow e-mail, in fact even my normal e-mail at the moment!

Syb, laughing hysterically at the monoboob look.

My highly attractive look is at about 5.30am if DD3 has been asleep for ages. Whichever boob I didn't feed on last is about twice the size of the other - I look like I have a party ballooon shoved under one side of my t-shirt - nice!

Hatty There isn't a thread. We're meeting on the 9th April and going for some lunch. But we're not sure where or what time yet.

Cheers Kayz. Will it be in York? Might be a bit tricky for me as I'll have all three that day and that tends to be chaos! Keep us posted.

Yes it's in York. I hope you can come. I will keep you posted.

Gosh PMK hope I didn't knacker your night. Could have been wind. L does wake up so ours isn't a dream feed per se - just that its at that time. Hope it works better (I know it just doesn't work for everyone ...holds head in shame)...

trace I agree with you about everyone pitching in to help (and "discipline") kids as a community.

Sybil - sometimes This Too Will Pass has to apply to hangovers!! Get well soon...

DH and I learnt a lesson on sunday we were jaded after a 40th birthday party night before and let the kids watch disney whilst we slobbed and watched The Wire (with baby L!!) - during that time unbeknownst to us, DS (3) got DH's coat off the bannister and hid it in the playhouse. So monday am at 7am DH couldn't find it anywhere!! (you wouldn't look for your own coat in a wendy house..) and froze his ar*e off at the train station that morning as he has only one coat...

verso see you prove my theory - DD1 and DS were easy babies but damned tricky 2 and 3 (and 4 for DD!!) year olds. I think you maybe get tricker babies but easier toddlers!!!

Kayz hope you get some rest!

Hi folks, just checking in, Sybs hope the hangover better, am impressed at your staying power (went to pub last night but came home at 10.30 pissed on half a bottle of wine ).
Your poor DH, Turnip, was the lesson to always check the wendy house or to buy another coat?
To add to the sleep chat, T has taken to sleeping much more lightly and randomly waking up - what I don't get is that when he eats a little at 10.30 he sometimes goes through til 5am, yet when he finishes his bottle, he wakes again at 3. Can any of the sleep gurus explain that?!
Better go, back later.

Turnip you didn't knacker my night! I'm really hoping it was just wind - he's napping now - well looking at the roof but quiet at least! And he's in the cot.... I'm going to try it again tonight but winding him properly at 10pm... I am so tired today and it's such a lovely day so I should nap while he is so I can go out thisarvy - poor DH was woken by B too and admitted we have been spoilt for 2 months now with him sleeping through - now it's really shaken us up just one waking, so I really feel for those of you that have these [whispers quietly so B doesn't hear] 2 hourly one's DH couldn't get up - then he was so late and all I saw was a streak of blue lycra running through the flat out to the bike muttering something about ds1 and coffee I shall let you know how it goes.... other thing was, I was out of Dentinox so it more than likely was wind.... Must get some of that too....
Veggie too funny your brother ringing up Don!! I remember the radio show too!

Cat only thing I can come up with is wind (more because larger amount of milk consumption?) But I'm no sleep Guru - quite the opposite really....

Poor sybil >hands over ice pack for sore brow< (am thinking you should change your name to syllybilly)

Am v today. Can anyone offer any comfort? Just v low about DD2's lack of sleep. She's just so tired and irritable today because she didn't sleep last night and I feel such a failure because the rest of you all have miracle babies who sleep properly .

Hello chums. Mad week here. Good. But mad. Verso it is luck of the draw with sleeping babies. Am convinced of it. DS terrible sleeper, DD miracle by comparison. Have done nothing different (apart from maybe neglected poor bean a bit more). Sybil good for you. Although obviously not good having hangover.

Wg here is the London meet up thread.

no - Verso not true - let me paint the picture.... it's 317pm, I'm still in my pj's... admitedly I've been sick, but there's no excuse for me today. B hasn't stopped all freakin day.... I just put the kettle on, and then poured a glass of wine instead - nice, drinking on my own indoors on a lovely sunny day with an inconsolable baby and a neurotic under exercised dog who is currently barking loudly at me... my miracle baby did a 180 last night and today hasn't been much better..... has napped a total of 2 hours today - and that's a stretch as at least 15-20 of that was crying in his cot... and and another 15 at least looking at the skylight.
now he's started screaming if I put him down.... will only stop if I put him in his Bumbo and only then if it's up on the table so I pretty much have to stand here (laptop on table too) He won't feed properly -again!!
I think he has my cold.... he's sniffly and coughing... trip to get baby calpol stuff I think... so don't feel bad, and don't feel like a failure, especially at the moment I don't think everyone has miracle perfect babies, not by a long shot... Here we go again - dog has settled and B has kicked off - big time.... things will be better for you and hopefully me tomorrow....

pmk: if B is snotty, cd you run a bath/have a shower with him in the bathroom in his bumbo? Might clear his nose a bit. Sorry you're having a bad day

DS2 is a bit tetchy today, but went to get him weighed at baby clinic (first time inn 6 weeks ) and saw the local BFC there. She saw me feeding him and pointed out that he wasn't latching all that well and helped me adjust his position - seems to be wrking so far. Although he keeps stopping to grin at me! Was v helpful indeed.