November 2008 - Cooing babies, tired ladies

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now I'm off to catch up.

obv LOL at your 'HUGE mindblowing, body shaking 'O' ' I can't remember when I last had one of those
We tried but it felt too tight Have now lost interest again, but am getting annoyed at DH leering at women. Well, he doesn't really, just appreciates and it never normally bothers me, sometimes I even point them out it bothers me so little.
But today he was cor, ing at a girl I went to school with who was a tart as a teenager and I never really liked her anyway, but it was beginning to make me cross he kept repeating it!
Oops where did that come from.
monkey could she have gone of the teat? I have heard of ladies having to try loads before baby accepted it. But I don't imagine it is that, if she accepted it before
How upsetting for you though

daisy so as long as my nippa stretches is as long as I can use my nappies

coolkat yeah you and your sleeping babe!
Mine was doing not too bad up to 2 nights ago when he started waking every 2-3 hours again

I think it is because we put him in a full babygro, instead of just a vest, then swaddling. I think he was getting too hot.
Fingers crossed for tonight.

What do you guys think of light shows for LOs to help them settle.
I can't decide if DS would appreciate one or not. He settles fine with me, but for that couple of hours of an evening, he is doing not too bad but not totally settled. Should I continue to let him get on with it and not mess with what is going quite well or try it and see if it gets even better?

coolkat, that's so great about your LO sleeping through! It's the holy grail, isn't it?!!! We'll all get there eventually I'm sure, but it would be nice if it happened soon! Fingers crossed for you that it could be a regular occurrence from now on. I have a question for all you clever ladies (this thread has become such a fantastic source of advice for me - who needs all the books!!) P has got well used to his bedtime routine now, so I don't have any bother settling him down to sleep at 7/7.30. But he's so aware that it's bedtime that he falls asleep really early on during his feed, after about 10 mins on the breast, which is nowhere near a full feed (in the daytime he'll feed for an hour on an off). I then have an almighty battle trying to wake him up to take anymore - I tickly his foot, blow on his face, lay him on a not too comfortable surface, but I can rarely get him to suck for more than another couple of minutes. I think that if he took a full feed at 7, then he might go for a longer stretch of sleep. Any advice? Would it be worth giving him some EBM in a bottle at this feed? Or maybe a BF and then some EBM?

My second question tonight is about baths. Being a complete novice on the whole baby thing I'm still a bit unsure about using products in the bath - in the hospital the midwives said that newborns should just be bathed in water, but I guess at nearly 7 weeks he doesn't qualify as a newborn anymore, so should I be using baby bath stuff and shampoo etc.? What does everybody else do? Sorry to be asking so many questions all the time, but I am very grateful for any advice!!

Fingers crossed for lots of sleep for us all tonight!!

hi Juanitad
Well done for sorting the 7pm routine!
Re. the 7pm feed, you could try EBM first and then finish on the breast (less likely to fall asleep whilst taking a bottle as they are upright!) This is what we were doing before mine started refusing bottle .

Re. bath products, I use just water in morning to top and tail, then at bathtime each night I use a little baby soap on her bottom, and then baby shampoo on her head once a week. I think the less products you use, the less likely you will be to get reactions etc. But mine has loads of hair so need to shampoo once a week!

Hope all is going well for you!

Lacks - possibly - but she did take breast after refusing (though not a lot). Hmm.

So- I resume MN after days of neglect, and people giving me jip over favouring Scrabble over MN, and now no-one is around. I will therefore assume, since it is Saturday night, that you are all out at parties .

P.S. I am naughty - I have had lunch out every single day this week!

P.P.S Obs you naughty woman.....goodness me, you are funny. My New year's resolution was to sh*g DH once a week. So far, so Gina Ford!

juanita, I am a member of another forum, tips, and the woman who set it up is a BFing and newborn skin care expert. According to her the crucial time for their skin is up till four weeks. I just used water on DD and bumble for about six weeks, then started using produts, but only a few drops in bathwater and no need for additional shampoo. I stick to organic as much as possible as well. Weleda stuff is good, as is Burt's Bees and Earth Friendly Baby. Johnson's is too drying as is Avent, even though it smells divine.

re P's feeding, they get more efficient as they get older, so maybe he's getting enough in those ten minutes, especially if he is starting to stretch his feeds out. Bumble rarely feeds for longer than 15 minutes at any time now. I don't think there's any need to give him an ebm top up if he is healthy and growing well.

twinkling, it must be annoying if your DH is ogling people you were at school with! I have a huge hang up about my post two babies body so I tend to feel worse if DH comments on slebs etc where before it wouldn't have bothered me.

never bothered with light show things here; no reason other than it just didn't occur to me!

Yay bumble is now asleep...hopefully for a good stretch of the night. I have graciously offered DH the bed tonight, but who knows we may all get a good sleep

TF we have a light show for Henry but all it does is stimulate him however we have the option of turning off the light show and just have nature sounds which has been brilliant. If I put him in his cot and his eyes open the nature sounds will help settle him. Might give the light show a go when hes older and can focus on it abit more.

Juanitad Henry is FF and we have the same problem. I start feeding at 6:30pm and ten minutes later hes asleep before taking a proper feed. This evening I staggered the feed abit from 5:30pm and that seemed to work and he had the last OZ at ten to seven so was asleep at 7pm.

I use johnsons in the bath - its more for his hair really as it can get greasy.

Evening ladies - no parties for me I'm afraid! I'm very envious of those of you whose babies settle at 7pm, I seem to have a nocturnal one like Daisy She's currently on DH's lap wide-awake and has no intention of going to sleep!
I'm also slightly concerned that feeds shouldn't be taking as long as they are - E can feed for a good 40 minutes and then be hungry again 1h later. The past few evenings we've had marathon feeding sessions and ended up topping her up with EBM as she still seems hungry but she doesn't end up going down until 11-11.30pm. She then sleeps until 8-ish with a quick feed at 4am or so. I guess she'll drop that one first. However, it would be nice to have our evenings back! Although given that she still won't sleep on her own that's difficult anyway. Oh well...
Juanitad I also use Johnson's in the bath but only wash E's hair once or twice a week as she gets a dry scalp. I then massage her with olive oil after the hv suggested it for her dry skin in the early days. She has lovely skin now
Obs You do make me laugh!DH and I got back in the saddle for the first time last week during one of E's rare sleeps on her own Your coat sounds gorgeous btw.
Monkey Good to have you back Glad the CO didn't find anything wrong with Plumsky. What about trying a different teat on the bottle and see if she likes it better?
Daisy Hope Bumble allows you some much-needed rest!

no parties for me either!!!
lets hope everyone gets some sleep tonight, i am just away to wake up my bundle for his last feed.

very impressed with all you ladies "getting back in the saddle" i still think im going to burst my stitches!!! impossible since they are completely healed but might wait a few weeks yet

night night all

Well, she is post 4 babies and still he liked her. Mind you I don't think his eyes left the chest area!
Ach, I am not bothered really, it was just her cos I don't personally like her.
I am pretty confident really, he looks and then says how much he wants me. but the pressure is....there. Ach he doesn't mean it, he is a good guy, just needs his wife, who just doesn't really want him ( in that way) yet
ah, poor DH

Oh yikes, no soap until 4 weeks. I can't remember if I stuck to that with DD and now she has excema, just found out on Monday past Only wee patches yet, just hope that it doesn't get worse or that I could have prevented it.

twinkling, DD has bad eczema inspite of me not using soap with her, so don't worry about it too much.

I think bumble is having another growth spurt or is making up for a few days not feeding very much; he is a milk monster tonight.

He has found his fists as well and sits there slurping noisily on them.

men.....let them have the babies and they'd never want sex ever again

Just got back from A&E.
Had very very bad hypo this morning. Was sat with ds1 eating my rice crispies and just fell to the floor fitting. Ds1 was screaminh. I assaulted the ambulance men and the police were called.
I was up all night. From 8pm- 6am. Ds2 was ONLY asleep from 3.45 to 4.3o am.
Screaminh inconsollably.
My blood sugars were very high so I gave extra insulin, but must have over-corrected. This just seems to get better and better, doesn't it ?!!!!

Oh Obs Really sorry to hear this. How are you feeling now? Is there any way SIL or somebody else can look after DS2 for a night just so you can get some much needed rest? Lack of sleep must be sending your blood sugar levels haywire. (((Hugs))) to you
Hope everybody else is having a nice Sunday - we just took E out in the pram which was lovely in the sunshine. She slept in the pram but awoke the instant we got home and DH is currently trying to get her to go to sleep because she's fighting it. She's not only nocturnal, she just refuses to go to sleep full stop except at night or in the sling!

Obs sorry to hear that hope you are feeling a little better now. hugs to you.

gee obs sorry to hear about your horrendous day. hope you are feeling a bit better now

obs that sounds terrible hope your feeling better now

Poor Oblomov I hope you are feeling ok now.

RE-washing. water and cloths here. I use minky wipes- thhey are terry on one side and fleece on the other and work really well. Iused aqueous a lot for the other two as they had very dry skin, but Imi seems fine, I only needed to do it once.

Cradle cap- my friend actually shaved her DS's head then rubbed it down with olive oil and it god rid of all the cradle cap and it never came back. Don't know if I'd have the courage to do that!

Obs, hope you're feeling better now and that DS1 isn't too traumatised.

I know the breast feeding is really important to you, but woul stopping mean that things would settle down re the diabetes? or is it purely the erratic sleeping patterns and fatigue that's is throwing thing off balance?

bumble finally settled for the night last night.....at 12.30am, having been awake (apart from a few small naps) since lunchtime yesterday. then he slept until 6.30am ....go bumble, go bumble, go bumble...woo.

No hula jeans for me as they don't do short arse leg length in the store I went to, but I have managed to fit into a couple of pairs of my pre-preg jeans, although my muffin top is a sight to behold. I enjoyed a few hours solo shopping though so it was worth the trip out for that alone.

evening all

Obs got your text and replied, didn't hear back so was v.worried. Glad to see you are posting. Are oyu ok? I second what daisy says, if your blood sugar levels are causing your hypos, then surely you should consider stopping for the good of you, your health and the family??? How is DS1? Must have been very, very scary for him to witness. I presume you are not coming to mine int he morning now?????

Who was it that had CP in teh family? Did the Lo get it?

Dozy twas me with the pox Jay is still OK at the mo but it would probably be this week if he does get it - Could be anytime up until Jan 28th so my fingers are still crossed Altough i'm hopin it comes and is out of the way before the 23rd so I can go to the Trfford Centre meet up!

Oblomov, how scary for you, hope you are feeling much better now.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on bath products. I have another bath-related question and am hoping for more great advice!! P is now getting very long for his baby bath. Do I move him straight into the big bath? Should I use one of those bath support thingys? Are they any good? Is there any other magic trick anyone has for bathing a little baby who is too big for the baby bath?

Wishing you all lots of sleep tonight!!

xx

Thanks for all nice messages.
Dh actaully asked me to give up bf, as Daisy suggested, so will give that some thought.
I have put M in his cot tonight. He is crying at th mo, and will ahve to go to him in a sec. For the last few nights, I have had him in a more upright position in a chair, in he lounge. He seems to hate cot. Maybe because so flat. Have tried to get reflux pillow - so up at 30 degrees, but they are out of stock.

Evening all

Obs what an awful thing for you (and your poor DS1) Hope you are feeling better and that DS2 sleeps well for you tonight.

Re washing - as Sam has baths with DS1, he has whatever bubbles DS1 wants - so sometimes Johnsons lavender baby bath or some cheap bubbles that he got for Xmas

Juanitad I had one of these bath support things for DS1 and also use it for Sam now - there is no way I could bath a new baby without one - they are like slippery eels aren't they?

Coolkat if kitten is sleeping through I definitely wouldn't wake them - DS1 slept through (as in 7pm-7am) from about 4 weeks and it did him no harm - make the most of it with early nights and uninterrupted sleep!!

Sam is over 7 weeks now and still no smiles - should I be worried? He coos at me and wiggles when he is happy but doesn't smile

obs, try propping up the legs at the head of the cot with some books, or a folded towel underneath the mattress. Much cheaper than a wedge of foam!

I bought a bath seat thing..this, but you either need to fill the bath up full so they are in the water, or just have them sitting above the water and sponge them down. Much easier to just hold them in a shallow bath ime. It gets easier as they get more muscle control and can hold their heads up.

ceebee, bumble only started smiling regularly at about 8.5 weeks, now he is always smiling and giggling. Before that we would get all excited about his "first" smile.....then he'd possett all over us so they were just wind!

10 weeks old already where does the time go?!!!