Nov 2008 - sleepless nights and exploding poo, dear oh dear now what do we do??

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Sorry that is soooo crap but we needed a new thread!!!!!

Oops sorry Vbab didn't mean to ignore Sorry you're having such a hard time with dh. It's such an emotional time (I think) I am crying loads at the moment - you do need support and I'm not at all suprised you snapped. Dh and I have always had a good relationship but we are sniping at each other and it is so stressful. Sending you lots of hugs xxx
Re; Shopping - have the same clothes dilema - am considering doing shopping on internet - couldn't face a 'real' shop!!

barbs...lying over DHs lap is the only place DS2 will settle at the minute. My lap is no good apparently.

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vbab, can you order something from Next? they usually deliver within a day or two. ikwym about clothes though. I'm still wearing my overbump jeans as they are really comfy.....they need a belt to hold them up though! All my non pg trousers cut into what used to pass for a waist but is now a spare tyre.

enjoy your nights out though, adult conversation.......nope doesn't compute here

Right am going to wake DS up feed him and then get to bed. I had braised red cabbage for dinner today, so I hope it doesn't make the wind situation any worse!

Hi all,

Sorry not to check in, we've had a v family orientated weekend and it seems an age since Fiday night.

Big shout out to everyone with restless babies, I think Fin had a growth spurt on Friday as he had vile and horrible night. Cue a red-eyed DH and me taking it in turns to rock him as he screamed every time we put him down, and needed feeding every two hours until 3.30... He slept most of Saturday, and I had to wake him up to feed him (and then largely because my boobs were overinflating!) and got through to this morning with only 1 night feed. Mad baby.

Also, I am a bit concerned that the baby/winter blues are getting a hold on me - it was a real struggle to get it together enough to get online tonight and even getting out of the house feels like a big challenge...

Will catch up properly in a bit - are people still meeting up tomorrow at Meadowhall? I am going to try desperately to be there from 10 - I will get up early and neck coffee to make sure! - and if no-one else shows up I will go Xmas shopping!

Sorry for me post, will catch up properly and do hellos etc next time. Night night

Hi rUTho et al
I am feeling very fed up, too. Don't know why. Went for a very nice meal for my birthday but still feeling fed up.

Really sorry but I won't be able to come tomorrow as dinky is still very snuffly. Very disappointed, but really I'm not very good company at the mo.

DH is going to try to cheer me up with a day out tomorrow (as he had booked the day off anyway). Wish him luck because he's got an uphill struggle ahead.

hi all, thanks for lovely supportive messages. its mega hard to get on here at the mo for me so apologies.
sophie is much better, she sleeps from 2am - 6am and will go down again til 10am. no-where near where i want to be in terms of routine but its better than it was. only problem is that sophie wont settle for me, she feeds til shes sleepy but if try to put her down she screams. she must smell my milk as dh can cuddle her fine, if i hold her, im just a tit!! its seriously getting me down now.

i know i should look at GF or baby whisperer or something. i can cope until the 10pm-2am slot where she is awake as im exhausted, dh is in bed as has to work, and i can console her without boob. tried the dummy but its just being spat out, i fear i'll never be able to express as nothing but nipple will appease this girl.

pinkali - happy belated b'day. My 3oth is next month and i dont think it will even get acknowledged how we're feeling in this house. cant complain though as sophie bought me tiffany earrings the day she arrived so i guess i had all my treats!

Up doing A early morn feed at mo. Not too bad as DH fed A at 11pm. after i got out of bed and fetched her downstairs (she was in moses basket in our bedroom) to sort her as she was crying. When i got downstairs DH didnt hear us and came into the hallway same time we did but we were in the dark. He nearly s**t himself and nearly got A in head with the door. Unfortunately he then had a rant and go at me saying i was up (shouldnt have been) with A because he couldnt find the baby monitor because it was in a diff position to last time he saw it . I found it straight away in living room rather than utility/office where he had it the night before. We had been sat in the living room with the monitor in earlier! I was so angry, I just handed over A and went back to bed without saying a word (very unlike me).

Ruth - Wasnt sure whether i could meet today or not. But if ok by you i will give it a miss. i need to do lots of xmas organising tomorrow, getting stuff posted and house sorting for friends coming over from Manchester in Tues.

Sending you lots of virtual hugs, coffee and cake .

Fancy meeting next week? Mon or Tues AM?

Also shall we sort our NORTH/MIDDLE get together ... www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=2290&threadid=601783&o=1220868847693#12266730 to discuss . Could even maybe have 2 meetings ... one daytime with kids and one night time maybe?

ruth - Just realised I've suggested us meeting the week before x-mas at meadowhell! Sure it will be fine . EEK. Bye for now. Should really sleep now as up at 7am to get showered and organised before getting DS ready to get to nursery for 8am.

Morning.
Think tiredness is catching up with me. Feel weepy.
Dh thinks I should be back to my 'old self' by now.
Oh does he mean, non weepy, spotless house, dinner on the table, Christmas cards written and thank you cards sent (neither done , Blow jobbing, Hows ya father, WIFEY ?
Is that what he means ?
I can't seem to manage any of that at the moment. Must be.... now, whats the reason.... oh yes, those 4/5 sleepless hours, during the night. Oh yes, that must be it

obs I am with you on the lack of sleep at the moment - its a killer and I am impressed at how you are managing to keep your sense of humour when I know how tough things have been for you. M has had a bad few nights and I am struggling to keep a brave face today - anyone fancy a 4 week old baby for 12 hours??

I think I have been failing on the feeding front - at least I hope thats it because for the past 3/4 nights (I lose track of time now!) M has gone from going down at 11pm and waking once at 3.30am to waking 2/3 times at either 1am, 4am, 6am or 2am, 5am, 6.30am - and the only thing I can attribute it to is that he's not getting enough food in the day. So my challenge today is to feed him as much as possible. I have just done that for his 7am feed and a mountain of sick has just come out of him , however I just realised he hasn't been so sick the last couple of days and he was before - coincidence??

Right - best be off, my little man has been gurgling in his rocker for the past 30 mins and I don't want to push my luck until he starts crying!

Have a good day all. x

Dozy, GF is not working for me.
Infact F**k ALL is working for me.
Even when Max naturally wakes at , say 6am, we do the routine. But by,say, post lunchtime, or even mid morning, the routine has turned to mush, becasue he is so tired, he is asleep all the time. I seem unable to keep him awake. Thus the 5-7 wake, is an impossibility.
And other days, it goes to pot, before we have even started. and even when it works nicely. AndI had ds1 and ds2 in the bath, fed at 6.15, and in bed by 7. Even then, Shit evenings and nights.
I giive up. Really I do.

And for those that say, go with baby. Sleep during day. Yesh right. Like that is the biggest load of SHT EVER*. Anyone who recommends this, must have forgotten how bad it is. AND, by the time ds1 goes to school, and inbetween, going to pick him up, there are only a few hours in the day, possibly10am - 2pm = 4. Of which 2 hours will be used for feeding, 2 feeds. and one hour for keeping them awake, cuddling. which leaves you with maybe ONE HOUR SPARE. Foe sleep.
Right, so you may be losing 4 or 5 hrs at night. And you might regain ONE hours sleep during the day.
Yes, like that is going to work then !!!!

Sorry everyone, just having a mad rant.

Someone cheer me up.
Where's rutho ?
I am going to kings tomorow. Looking forward ot meeting autumnlady.
but very under pressure to get ds1 ready for school and me and max up and ready and to kings for 9.30. after no sleep during the night. not looking forward to that.

Yes its the sleepless phase here as well . Everybody keeps saying how well I look . SO thats it only 2 or 3 hrs sleep a night for me for now on and I will turn into wonderwoman with beautiful skin no bags under eyes etc etc.
My breast pump broke yesterday so we had to ff dd for the bottle feed and she only slept 2 hrs afterwards so boll**ks to the theory they sleep longer after ff. Mind you she did do 2 am - 5.30 am after bf so thats a plus .
Off out as its a beautiful cold but sunny day here. So its an hour stroll before next bf - I think but dd could have other ideas. Happy Mondy to you all !!!
Drs wife - DD has only just started holding on to her dummy and we tried 4 different types. She also prefers to settle with dh rather than me as well as she just squirms to find the boob.

Obs & Vbab hugs to you and to everyone else who is having issues or feeling down at the moment.
Pinkali glad you had a good birthday your daughter hasgreat taste - I love Mchael Macintyre.

We braved a night out on Saturday for our first Wedding anniversary and left DCs with SIL J was fine but DS1 wouldn't sleep because he missed us - bless him he has stayed there so many times before.
I was very very drunk and boy did I suffer on Sunday.

J has slept through 3 times now which is fantastic but he doesn't go down until around midnight and cries most of the evening - not a pained cry just a whinge - hes fine if he gets a cuddle .

Hi to everyone else x

What is your definition of 'sleeping through' ?
Becasue to me that means 7pm-7am.
Or thereabouts.
Ds did this at 13 weeks and has never stopped. No problems through teething, weaning, nothing.
Will ds2 be similar. Looks unlikey.

I don't think they are 'supposed' to sleep through, yet, are they ?

But we all eagerly await this, for sure !!!!

Obs sorry I do not know what to say, I do agree I have never been able to sleep during the day, there is always something that needs doing. Keep coming on here though to vent as bottling it up will not help. X

I should imagine Rutho will be necking coffee in preparation for Meadowhall - Good luck Rutho. X

Drswife, glad things have improved am of Sophies style and your Tiffany earings.

Vbab, ou seem to be having a really bad time at the minute, beleive me I do understand after DD1 me and DH had a really hard time, we split up a few times to however now I would like to thnk we are solid, yes we still have arguments but I can honestly say I want to be with him forever, back in the dark days I would never have said that. Tell me to piss off if you like but I think you both need to sit down together and talk about how you are feeling and identify that you want to be together, we went to relate and it was the best money we have ever spent. I appreciate hormones lack of sleep etc but don't let it go as far as I did as I was not in a pretty state. [hugs] to you. X

Daisy you are doing so well with persevering with feeding and I have had it so easy in comparison to you so whenever I get my sore nips I remind myself how bad some others have had and it encourages me to continue.

Welcome Londonboots X

Chocorange sounds like a good night, I am going out in february and am already nervous about expressing and giving R a bottle, I know I need to practise this soon but keep putting it off

dozy could you enlighten me more on the GF feeding times etc, I know you are busy but if you would sooner email me my address is katie lois @ yahoo dot com . I would like to give it a try but have someone to turn to for advice if you like! - You could be my mentor!!!

merry you sound well, glad the twin are improving. X

Right need to do some jobs and then off to take my nan out after the next nipple bashing feed!

Sorry about spellings and crossed posts. X

Obs by sleeping through I mean not waking for a night feed last night he went from 11pm until 7am not actually sleeping through for a full night!
I also class 7pm until 7am a full nights sleep DS1 was around 8 weeks I think, J isn't consistent though he was up 3 times for a feed on Friday so i'm just grateful when I do get a longer stretch.

lol coolkat, glad I can be of help

Bumba had a better night last night...I think. I took him to bed with me at 11.30 and he slept in his cot (even settling himself as he was awake when I put him down) until 2ish. then unfortunately it all gets a bit hazy as I kept falling asleep and we spent the night with me sleeping sitting up and him lying across the V pillow...hardly safe , but everytime I came round I thought "must get out of bed" and then nodded off again. He slept from 4 till 7 though (i think)

obs.....sorry things aren't getting any better for you at night. and what does your DH mean "back to normal"? very difficult to do when you are fighting a baby all the time and utterly exhausted. Take it easy on yourself xx.

DW, my DH is the baby whisperer in this house too. Bumba will only settle for him in the evenings. Daytime and nights not too bad, just that fussy evening period.

we are trying some sort of routine today...and so far so bad! I was up and feeding by seven, but it tok over an hour. No use when as of next Monday I'll have the other two to get ready as well as DH will be leaving the house by 7.30 at the latest. We'll need to be up at the crack of dawn.

Booked an appointment to register Bumba's birth as we had forgotten all about it and our six weeks runs out on Saturday!!! We were tempted to test our theory that if you don't register within the six week period they take them back! Yes please

We are off out later once DH and DD back from swimming and then DS and I are going to cuddle under a duvet on the sofa for the afternoon.

vbab I am sorry you are having such a bad time of it.

Had a very bad night here. Dinky waking a lot with her cold- managed to get some large snots out this morning which seems to helped.

DS came in last nigth and kept me awake most of the night- sound assleep himself but flailing like a mad thing. Put him back once or twice but he just came back.

Then I coughed the rest of the wee hours.
Got children up dressed, removed said snot from dinky, went back to bed whilst DH took ds (with dd1 in tow) to nursery.

DH came upstairs, woke me up and started ranting at me that he couldn't find DS's gloves and he expects things to be in their proper place..

obs not sure if that's what your DH means, but mine onviously expects me to be running around after everyone putting their winter accessories away in my spare time

Feeling very depressed at the mo. It's most likely lack of sleep.

LadyBuzz, my last post re sleeping through, was quite aggressive. Very sorry about that. I didn't mean it quite so, against you. It was meant to be a bit jokey. you know, who will be the first baby to sleep through. But it came across as x posting re your post. sorry about that.

Love to pinky and vbab.
I know I do not have PND as such. But I do feel really miserable.
All of us being so, up for alot of the nightime.
Please god, this has to change soon, right ?

Ok, can I just ask how long you let your babies cry when you put them down??? I have now got to the point where I don't WANT to hold Z all the time, I have things I NEED to do, like spend time with the older boys (they are homeschooled), basic housework, like wiping down the counter tops, filling/unloading the dishwasher, laundry ect. Plus, I NEED to write xmas cards, wrap presents and so far, have managed almost none of it for 4 weeks. I am getting well and truely fed up that I have a baby who can't/won't settle himself and even if he is in a deep sleep, the second I try and put him down during the day, he screams the place down like he is being murdered. He's finally shut up, but still awake after screaming for a good 20 minutes while I tried to inore him and put on a load of washing and folded some pants/socks from a week ago.

Oh, scratch that, he just let out a screamed yelp that sounds like he is in terrible pain....should I feel bad that I don't care? I want to try and get him onto more of a routine with his feeding/sleeping during the day without following a supposed "guru" (sorry for those that like them, I think they are abhorent and certainly not for my family.) I just want Z to settle into his own routine, which both my other boys had done by now, but Z is all over the place still.

Oh, and while we are on about nighttimes, Z wasn't too bad last night in terms of actually waking and needing to be fed/changed, but he wriggled, grunted, snuffled, flailed, kicked and scratched all night, so I STILL didn't manage any sleep even though Z appeared to be sleeping.

I think I just need to let out a great big scream....ARGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Hmmm, didn't really help.

I think I need a new mantra because "this too shall pass" has become "will this ever pass?"

Oooooohhhh, I think Z is finally asleep, has worn himself out. Annoyingly, he is due his next feed at 1ish.

hm2j Z sounds refluxish to me, is that what the problem is? DD1 was just like that. Can you do a back carry with the sling you have? Or boingy seat set a bit higher than newborn??
Much sympathy- it is very exhausting.

obs no I don't think I have pnd either- I'm getting too much pleasure from my children, but I do feel a bit detached. I am quite sure it is tiredness.

Shall we have a group howl??

Morning All...

Oh no i think i've missed the meet up? I will check on the link.

OK.. big decision day today. Have seen breast feeding expert person and we have come to the conclusion that Esme is not going to breast feed and my milk supply has decreased somewhat. It makes me very sad to say we are moving onto formula s of today. Kay (the BF lady) allowed me to see that I have done very well toget to 5 weeks worth of expressing but that it would be better for me mentally to think i have doen my best and to make the decision or choice to move her over to Aptamil rather than wait for milk supply to totally disappear. I have decided today is the day! I am very sad but have realised that i have doen my best for her and that every little bit of breast milk i have given her has done her some good. I am getting too stressed at having to express and then feed and possibly not having enough etc...

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Pinkali your post has made me a bit weepy. I understand some of how you must feel.

You have done so so well and should feel very proud that you have done your best for Esme- and this next decision you have made is also doing what is best for her- breastmilk is great, but it is also important that feeding does not become the biggest thing between you and your daughter, there is so much else to enjoy!

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