Sept 08 - Is it day or night?

[lollyheart]

Hope no one minds me starting a new thread?

Went to walk-in clinic yesterday as I'd only been given 150ug flucanazole by the snotty GP, and A was a nightmare all night, wanting feeding every hour or so and then spitting the nipple out. So figured he had thrush too.

Thankfully, the people at George's walk-in have brains, were happy to treat both of us, and a doc confirmed I blatantly has thrush (nipples looking exactly the same as the day before when crap gp said they looked fine...), and prescribed the 400ug + 7x100ug fluc for me, and nystatin drops for A. Luckily A loves the nystatin which is cherry+cinnamon flavoured!

Very glad i'd got treatment as last night pain was excruciating - would have used ebm or formula only couldn't find a sterile teat. i took codiene and put A in his basket on my bed so i couldn't squash him. amazingly we both slept well.

trying to work to a bit of a schedule today and seeing how A reacts now he's 6 weeks. Worked a dream all morning but he fussed at the 1.30pm feed and is now grouchily dozing. hope to finally bathe him later...

notcitrus - so glad you got the correct meds for the thrush. I have now got the same! Thank you SO MUCH to everyone on this thread who pointed me in the right direction, esp carrieon, dave and ninja. You are all angels and I would probably have given up BF by now if it wasn't for the support I get from all you lovely women. I am still in pain but it is definitely decreasing, and I can keep feeding through it as I feel confident that the thrush is now being properly treated.

It was a nightmare getting the scrip on Friday afternoon though - the local dispensary had no flucanazole, so I had to collect the scrip, bundle dd in the car and drive 30 miles (!!) to the nearest open-late Boots in Friday night half-term traffic. Then they only had stock for half the number needed, and asked if I could come back on Monday to collect the rest... Well they took one look at my face () and said, actually don't worry, we'll post them to you. I think they realised there was about to be an unpleasant scene involving a frazzled new mother suffering excruciating pain, and wisely decided to avoid this!

Potxola Infacol doesn#t cure it by any means, but I think it has improved things slightly, and I'm now too scared to stop using it in case they deteriorate slightly! We've also been using gripe water after the evening feeds, as T was quite often waking up screaming after an hour's sleep and as soon as I picked him up he was doing a massive belch. I then had to go through all the effort of settling him again. The gripe water means he brings up the burp a lot sooner, so we can settle him.

Sass I'm planning on something similar to your sleep plan this week. I'm going to order a lullaby CD, and persevere with the dummy, and use both of those while still allowing T to fall asleep in my arms before transferring to the cot. I'm then going to move him to the cot earlier and earlier while using the dummy and the lullaby and continuing to pat him in the cot, in the hope he'll get the idea of falling asleep in the cot without any tears and drama!

I am feeling v proud, as I have just realised that in 3 days I will have managed 6 weeks exclusively BF (if you ignore the infacol, gripe water, thrush cream etc!). I'm so pleased I got to this point, there were times when it seemed a million years away. And on that note, I want to get back into expressing a bit so DP can do a late feed, but I haven't expressed since he was 3 weeks old, when I got about 2oz from one side in 10 mins. Anyone got any idea how I'm meant to know how much I should express for him to have a full feed? He's a greedy pig, and will drink till he's sick, so waiting for him to tell me he's full is a bit of a non-starter. He weighs something in the region of 10lb 6oz now.

Expressed breast milk - I thought that once you had warmed it or had started feeding from a bottle, then you had to throw away whatever is left if baby doesn't finish the bottle. Is this right? It is a real pain as I hate wasting the precious milk if she doesn't take it.

BUT on the subject... you won't believe what nearly happened last night. We hosted the other mums and babies from our NCT class for a reunion lunch yesterday. I didn't have time to express in the morning, but when I looked in the fridge before going to bed there was a bottle of ebm there. DH and I couldn't remember whether we had used the bottle from Friday night, or maybe I actually did express Sat morning but forgot I had done it? I was just pleased that we had more milk than I thought we did, and told DH he would be able to use it for one of the night feeds. Then just before we went to bed DH said, hold on, didn't N (from the lunch) put some milk in the fridge? A quick phone call, and yes, it was hers! (Weirdly we use identical bottles.) Yes, I was about to feed my baby someone else's milk ! I know that in some cultures this is not at all weird, but ...

Ponymum I'm giggling at your shock because I'm just about to start donating EBM to my local hospital, they collect it for the premies in SCBU!

Elizabeth p*ssed about with her bottle twice today and in the end I caved both times and put her to breast and she had a proper feed. I know I shouldn't have done it but she was crying and we have her crying at night time for about an hour for no reason at all so when I know exactly why she's crying I was loath to not feed her. Anyway, I don't think I'll bother with expressing again if she isn't going to take it.

lollipop yes I know there are some really good things about using others' breast milk which I totally support (and btw, wow, amazing what you are doing) but in this situation it just seemed wrong.. kind of impolite or something .. ?

potxola she is s gorgeous, and looks so much older than 8 weeks old. i think because she has lots of hair. Ds2s hair is starting to fall out, he'll be bald soon I think.

Does anyone else have a baby with hairy ears? Mine does but I thought it would have gone away by now. he's 8 weeks old tomorrow and they are still hairy. Hope it goes before he starts school, imagine the teasing!

Also potxola ds2 seems to do the opposite to Lorea with his sleeping. He sleeps fine in his crib at night but only on me during the day unless he's fallen asleep in the carrycot in the buggy while we've been out. He sometimes sleeps in his crib but it seems to be getting less frequent and is starting to get me down. In theory I should get an hour to myself during the day when ds1 and 2 coincide their sleeps but as for the past week or so ds2 has been waking everytime I've tried to put him down I've not got anything done and its starting to get boring just sitting in front of the telly. I'm not a big housework fan but sometimes it needs done and I can't get it done.
But I know I don't really have a right to complain when he is sleeping so well during the night so sorry for that moan.

Any of you get messed up with the clocks going back? We didn't change them until after we were all up this morning so it didn't seem so bad. And thankfully both dss slept till 8am old time which was about a half hour lie in so that helped a lot.

Gave ds2 a bottle of formula this evening. He normally feeds about 6.30 then has a wash or bath at 7.15ish then has a bit more milk straight after that. So today I gave him some formula before his bath then he fed from me after the bath. He took the bottle fine and then took it from me fine too. I'm not planning on giving him lots of formula but just 1 bottle a week maybe so that I know I can give him a bottle if I need to and when I go back to work it shouldn't be a trauma to get him to have bottles.

good evening ladies,
i dont have much more than a couple minutes to post ((will have to find the time to catch up in the next day or so...))

time? to do much else besides feed/swaddle/carry around/hold/and feed again ds2? i'm feeling like i'm at the end of my tether and if i dont make a change very soon, the resentment that is growing will become permanent. and thats the last thing i want!!!!
ds2 is ...demanding is an understatement. i REALLY REALLY want nothing more than to enjoy him as a baby right now. but because he only feeds and cries when he's not feeding (bottle or boob, makes very little difference to him) i'm emotionally exhausted . maybe i'm just being a big wuss.

ds2 sleeps like a dream at night! so for that i'm grateful!!! but during the day, its a non stop feeding frenzy. i'm going coo coo!
and its at this point in time that i feel like if i don't turn to ff, full time, i'm going to scream the house down.

he's a beautiful boy, and i really savour the far & few between moments when he is just staring at the wall or at me or dh...

i feel so sad at the thought of "giving in", like i'm failing or something...but would it be so bad ((for the sake of my own sanity & relationship with the baby)) to move to ffing?

:::sigh:::: i think i'm going to make him a night bottle so i know he's going to get a full meal (on top of him only just feeding from both boobs less than an hour ago )...and then have a bit of sleep for myself.

i will catch up on the last few days (hopefully ) tomorrow.

hope everyone is well.
nite!

oh, and he cried nearly all the way through me posting that bit.

coo coo
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((thats me))

Managed to put Robyn down awake for the last 2 nights and she has dropped off to sleep herself. The first time was only for an hour but the 2nd night she did it both times. Hurray, really chuffed but prob won't last. Put her down 10 mins ago and all is quiet (for now). Don't usually put her down till 10ish but as the clocks went back and have stuffed up my feeding for the day thought i'd try it.

On the grobags I have a have Robyn in a 0-3 month as she drowns in the 0-6 size. Mothercare only do them in 1 tog so have been putting a sheet over the top. If it is real cold should I put a blanket on top or add another layer of clothing?

Pacita put up a pic of these great boots then if I feel really bad I can look for a pair. not bought new shoes this year. Have however gone out in pj's, without brushing my hair and with 1 side of my nursing bra undone.

MuwahahahaMom

I promise you you are not the only one that feels like this at times! Your lo is a little bit behind some of ours I think so don't be discouraged by stories of vaguely more-together mummies. Life with a 3 week old certainly can be grim.

As I'm sure you know, this won't last forever and as he gets older he'll be able to be distracted for longer and his bigger stomach will mean bigger feeds less frequently.

'...but would it be so bad ((for the sake of my own sanity & relationship with the baby)) to move to ffing?'

No, - course not, but you might regret it later when your lo becomes less demanding, and ff is no guarantee of improving what is normal behaviour. If you ARE seriously considering moving to ff, then keep trying 'just one more day' and you may well ride through this tricky patch.

How is he when you go out and about? Do you get peace from him then?

Thought this might help those with younger DCs realise some of us have much much older LO's relatively speaking!

ARRIVALS
28-May - Johnworf ? Katherine, 1lb 8oz
30-June ? KashaSarrasin ? Felix, 1.39kg (3lbs 1oz)
26-July - Jenbot - Clara, 3lb 6oz
11-Aug - Crabby - Lilah 2.34kg (5lb 3oz)
13-Aug - Sassafrass - Katie Rose, 7lb 2oz
20-Aug - Sunshinemummy - Effy Marilyn, 6lb 3oz
22-Aug - Talia1 - Anna, 6lb 2oz
26-Aug - Jenpet - Samuel, 3.166 kilos (6lb 15oz)
28-Aug - Potxola - Lorea, 7lb 6oz
31-Aug - Digitalgirl - Alfredo, 7lbs
1-Sept - Debithescot - Andrew, 8lb 10oz
2-Sept - Barnpot - Elliot James, 4lb 7oz
3-Sept - Milkbeard - Jack, 5lb 1oz
4-Sept - Lollyheart - Fraser Liam, 6lb 6oz
4-Sept - Meglet - Meredith, 7lb 4oz
5-Sept - Sunflower78 - Maia, 2.8kg (6lbs 3oz)
5-Sept - Expatmom2be - Sophie, 6lbs 13oz
6-Sept - EandZ - Noah - 4.5kg (9lbs 15oz)
7-Sept - Bogie - Phoebe - 8lb 2oz
7-Sept - BikeRunSki - Samuel Peter Paul,7lb 10 oz
8-Sept - ILikeToMoveItMoveIt - Mac, 9lbs 11oz
9-Sept - Ponymum - Sarah, 3.67kg (8lb 1oz)
9-Sept - Mustsleep - William, 7lbs 11oz
9-Sept - Starlight MacKenzie - Katrina Louise, 3.33kg (7lb 3oz) Due Date Baby
10 Sept - Gracie14 - Lewis 8lbs 15oz
11 Sept - Gothicmama - ds2 9lb 13oz
11 Sept - Happymumathome - Ben 7lbs 6oz
12-Sept - Mumiyumi - Jessica - 7lb 5 1/2oz
12-Sept ? Notcitrus ? Adam ? 7lb 8oz
14-Sept - Jearund - Douglas - 7lb 11.5oz
15-Sept ? Lollipopmother ? Elizabeth ? 8lb 2oz
17-Sept - Minkersmum - daughter - 9lbs 9oz
17-Sept - Hopefully - Theodore - 9lb 8oz
17-Sept - charitygirl - Frank Michael - 7lb 6 oz
17-Sept - imoscarsmum - Charlotte Anne - 7lb 15oz
18-Sept - nellyonthetelly - Romilly May - 7lb 6oz
18-Sept - lilypink - Eva Rose - 7lb 10oz
18-Sept - Kagey - Erin Marie - 7lb 10oz
18-Sept - kel78 - Oliver -7lb 7oz
19-Sept - Debs75 - girl - 7ib 15oz
19-Sept - Mellabella - James - 6lb 14oz
19-Sept - Slinkie - Arun James - 7lb 1oz
19-Sept- Ellideb - Oliver - 9lb 11 1/2 oz
20-Sept - Ipanemagirl - Miranda - 7lb 2oz
21-Sept - biglips - Kiah Helen - 9lb 3.5oz
21-Sept - Izzybiz - George - 10lb 10oz
21-Sept - Mamamufin - Euen - 8lb 2oz
21-Sept - Notsoslimnow - Oscar William - 7lb 1oz due date baby!!!
21-Sept - FeelingPositive - Matilda Jane - 8lb 7.5oz
22-Sept - LittleConnie - Anya Rachel -7lb 9oz
22-Sept - Blimey - baby boy - 11lbs 8oz
22-Sept - MummyToOneForNow - boy - 9lbs 15oz
23-Sept - Ninja - Maebh Dana - 7lb 2oz
24-Sept - SplishSplosh - baby girl - 7lb 12oz
24-Sept - MelT76 - Callum - 8lb 7oz
25-Sept - Mum2bagain - Zachariah William
25-Sept - Carrieon - Finlay Joel 7lb 1.5oz
25-Sept - Becaroo - Toby George - 8lbs 4oz
26-Sept - LeonieD - Bethany Rose - 9lb 8oz
27-Sept - Foxytocin - Alice Thomasina - 8lb 6oz
29-Sept - TreadmillMom - Baby Girl - 6lb 9oz
01-Oct - WombFor1More - Harvey James - 8lb 13oz
01-Oct - MissusH - Esme Rose - 8lbs
02-Oct - Pitufina - Sofia Mair Hannah - 9lbs
02-Oct - Munkimom - baby boy - 11lbs 4oz
05-Oct - Plusonemore - Alfie Thomas - 8lbs
05-Oct - jennylindinha - baby girl - 7lbs 1oz
07-Oct - Sagecat - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 8oz
09-Oct - Pidge - Arthur - 8lb 14oz

Debi Thanks. Her brother's hair stayed till he was almost 3 months and now it is completely different, sort of blond and curly. I can't wait to see what hers would be like. Andrew is doing great sleeping so well during the night, well done! Try the sling during the day, you won't be able to sleep while wearing Andrew on it, but you won't have to be on the sofa with him while he sleeps,that was my problem with my son.

I have a hairy eared baby Debi! They are a little silly, but I'm hoping the hair will come off them eventually... T's hair is falling out at the moment anyway, so I'm hoping the ear beards will follow.

morning all

does anyone else think the cbeebies presenters go to way too much trouble for the between programme links? did anyone see the take off of weakest link they did this morning? or am i just watching way too much cbeebies??!!

am so annoyed i ordered a new nursing bra 20 days ago on a website (foolishly thought the ones from last time would still fit but they only hold about half of me!) and their delivery says 5 days, 10 days if they have to order it in- still nothing!!! have phoned them several times. whats more annoying is john lewis have them in stock grrrrr gonna cancel the order i think, my boobs cant take much more squeezing!

You're watching too! Does anyone else have a worrying 'thing' for Justin?

pidge Forgot to say well done and congratulations on Arthur's weight gain!

justin??!! aka mr tumble??!! definately not- are you feeling quite well?

starlight Justin

What about Captain DJ, now there's a real Cbeebies hunk, sort of.

Why does DD poo or fart whenever I am on here, she is making some rather large popping noises!

DP is having his vasectomy in an hour. He thought it was at 10, but didn't double check (like I suggested )so got to the doctors and had to walk back again. He has been twiddling his thumbs nervously since he got back.

awww! am i the only one that likes justin? its shows like tweenies & shiny show that i cant handle! ((maybe its a puppet thing, perhaps??)) i think my all time fav is pocoyo...sadly not on cbveebies. oh dear, im a cbeebies saddo to have all these opinions! hehehe

starl1ghtX thanks for the reply. when i give ds2 a bottle, whether its been expressed or formula, he stays settled for 3 hours roughly. when i have him on the boob, he cries about 30 minutes after i take him off, roots around like crazy...and thats after him feeding for 30mins. i know the bottle is an instant-fast flow feed for him so perhaps he's not taking much from the boob, being a slower flow? having a 2yr old at home, i cant afford to have hour long feeds like i did when it was just ds1.

when we go out, which is very rare, ds2 will usually stay asleep with the movement of the car and the snuginess of the car seat/carrier. but when he does wake, like yesterday, i gave him sma (wasnt in a bfing friendly place) and he stayed asleep or content/awake for 4 hours.

i'll do my best to hang in there with what i do now, both ff/bfing.

ty again, starL.

Justin is so annoying! But i rather like Tamba...

Yesterday A was a dream from midnight to 2pm - and has been grouching ever since, except when we gave him a bottle of ebm at 9pm and he then slept 5 hours. He's getting stroppy at the breast as if it's empty - i treied expressing yesterday and got no milk (usually 60-100ml). This morning I expressed 100ml fine, but that was after he'd been chomping at the other breast nearly hourly.

I'm thinking of trying to express as much as possible to boost my supply a bit, but introducing a ff or ebm feed last thing at night so we know he's definitely got food in him and is likely to go to sleep. Keep trying to tell myself that formula isn't intrisically bad, it's just the second best thing for your baby, but my brain is just going 'failure' at me.

This morning A is just grouching and pooing non-stop...

1sd day of half term and areADY i'm gettin 'mum i'm bored' grrrrrrr off out to play place - dh has escaped to psysio appt, i'm sure he's made up the injury.

Debi - My DD went through a phase of waking up every time I put her down in the day, it lasted about a week and a half and came directly after a massive 2-day feeding frenzy at 4 weeks. I think the growth spurt shook her up a little but she's back to normal now. I just put her on my chest and watched a lot of telly! Thankfully like you mentioned, she was always fine at night.

Muwahmum - Don't feel sad that you're starting to get p*ssed off with the endless cycle of feeding/crying/swaddling, even Mother Theresa would go round the bend after a while, I know that it certainly got my goat on numerous occasions, but I just kept reminding myself that DD is only tiny, but she's growing up so fast that this phase will be gone in the blink of an eye and then I'll be shedding my own tears at the fact that she's growing up too fast!

If you're unable to put your DS down how about trying a sling? I've cooked dinner, ironed, tidied and carved a pumpkin all with DD strapped in.

Debi, Katie has hairy ears too! When she was born her face was hairy as well and she still has hairy shoulders too at 11 weeks.

I'm going to try to get a good photo of her grinning to post here, I just never seem to have the camera handy.