June 07...You put your left leg in, left leg out, left leg in and you shake it all about......and hopefully dislodge your clingy toddler ;0)

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For norty....and pinguthepenguin if she is lurking

DH thought the knitted breasts were bottle covers to eliminate nipple confusion .....like feeding baby vultures wearing vulture lookeylike gloves so they don't bond with humans.

Holly, not sure they will have anything that you might need, but it's worth writing to the likes of Asd a, t esco etc head offices as they get samples of things that just lie around their offices gathering dust until a member of staff takes it home (I know because I have seen it with my own eyes when DH worked for one of the big retailers; the homewares section was piled high in samples; and when he redid the baby range he got my sis lots of stuff when she was pregnant with her DS1)

survived the PILs, although DS in disgrace as he and grandad were wrestling and he took exception to losing and punched his grandad in his crown jewels (and it was a calculated and well aimed punch as I saw it all ). He has been a little shite all day and moaned about absolutely everything. I also had to sit through the "I had so much bisodol when pregnant with our S that he came out covered from head to foot in white chalk" speech for the umpteenth time, whilst smiling sweetly, but inwardly screaming, "IT WAS VERNIX YOU STUPID WOMAN". Also the blank denial and refusal to believe that Braxton Hicks contractions exist..."we never had them in my day"....WTF???????

I also hit my parenting low point by letting out a stream of obscenities at DS for whinging about and picking at his tea....again. something along the lines of Oh FFS, will you just shut the F up and eat your Fing tea .....No excuses there, other than I had had enough

so, that's me me me covered....sorry

will catch up properly now!

for Chloe and Trace

for Holly

at WordTwist on facebook, I have scored over 10,000 twice now and it doesn't seem to want to register my score

oh god, mammoth and inappropriate cross post

thanks for letting us know Pheonix; fingers crossed they get it sorted quickly. Poor Chloe

Oh poor Chloe, please pass on my best wishes Phoenix.

Hi all

Haven't caught up at all (except to say Happy Birthday for yesterday fury!).

But I just wanted to ask a bit of a personal question I hope some of you don't mind me asking. I've just had a phone call from a friend, she just had her 20wk scan and has lost her baby. No amniotic fluid, no kidneys, she is going in for a termination on saturday . What, if anything, can I say or do to support her? Would appreciate any advice from anyone who has been through it. This is her 1st pg. She is quite a shy girl, not someone likely to talk about how she feels. She was brave enough to call me and ask me to let our mutual friends know, but broke down and had to put her DH on the phone. I want to make a gesture but what is appropriate?

poor poor Chloe

for you too daisy. visiting my ILs always brings out the worst in me and the boys. IMO silly Grandpa for wrestling (and winning) anyway. Why do they - as adults FGS - not understand the concept of "it will end in tears". Hope you feel better tomorrow. Our training day last week was bloody awful too so know how you feel.

Not a bad days work for you Holly.

Hi everyone else.

Aw, Phoenix, if you speak/text to Trace, please do send her our love and tell her we are thinking about her. Thanks for the update.

for your friend bumper. No advice from me, sorry.

oh bumper, that is awful for your friend . I have never been through it, so I don't know what it is like, but I would imagine she would need some help around the house or something like that? Maybe you could make her a couple of nice casseroles and take them over with a bunch of flowers? I don't know if that is appropriate or not, so take no notice of me, but I know that is probably what I would appreciate.

for your friend Bumper. I don't know what to suggest other than being there if she wants to talk

oh, bumper how awful for your friend

Just letting her know that you are there if she needs to talk will be good, maybe a gesture of remembrance if they are having any sort of service. Also don't "forget" about it; lots of people either don't mention things like this, or never ask about it again after the initial period has passed. you could also point her in the direction of MN as there is lots of support on here.

Oh Bumper, how sad I think the idea of cooking for her is a good one. The last thing she will want to worry about is food, its a nice gesture, and she still needs to look after herself. Let her know you are there, and maybe, when she is ready, let her know of the support on the MN threads?

Yes, it would be good if you could talk to her about it maybe? Natty said last week that no one talks about it Maybe cook for her and let her talk?

Natty if you are there - how are you honey?

How sad Bumper
Maybe as others have said pop round with some food on sunday, and let her know you are ready to talk if she likes.

Thanks guys. It's so sad

I hope Chloe and Trace are ok.

Holly your letter was great. Have you contacted Lansinoh? They were great when I emailed complaining about their milk bags and sounded like a really nice company and sent me lots of freebies in apology. What about this ebay store? Sounds great anyway. I wish I could be doing something "worthy".

FYI Holly, this is our local bfing support network. It is set up as it's own charity which must have it's benefits.

I'd second Lansinoh being good at customer service, although I too had to complain about their milk bags (which split in the freezer) so I'm not 100% on the quality of their products.

Thanks bumper, I have contacted Lansinoh, just waiting for their response, I know they do little sample sized packs of their cream, so hopefully they'll send some of those. You are doing something worthy, you are supporting your family and looking after your beautiful dd. There can be nothing more worthy than that x

Aww thanks Holly

Lansinoh sent me a nice email explaining that the bags may have split as they don't use plasticisers. The sent me two boxes to double bag what I had. I wouldn't use the freezer bags again (I would use the avent cups) but I have been more than happy with their breast pads and the nipple cream

I also had a leaking episode with the bags, they are far too scary to put precious EBM in! I love their breastpads, them and the Tommee Tippee ones are the only ones that don't show through clothes, IMO anyway!

Evening all.

for things happening for Holly
for Chloe and Trace
for Bumper's friend. Years ago a friend lost her baby at near-as-damn-it term. That's the only experience I have of these things, other than via people here. With hindsight we did very little for her, for which I am very , but she says she took lots of comfort from internet friends offering support and arranging for a tree to be planted in her DS's memory. Perhaps you can get in touch with all your mutual friends and arrange something similar? Otherwise, I think the idea of taking her some home cooking is a good one.
OK, I am overly tired. I was welling up thinking about my friend . And my throat has gone all croaky and sore, and my breathing is terrible. So I am going to bed. Night all.

Bless you jammy, take it easy. Good night xxx

I know what you mean jammy. Another friend of mine had a m/c a couple of years ago and I completely didn't understand. I still don't really but I can appreciate a bit more how devastating it must be since having DD.

hope you are feeling better tomorrow jammy

bumper, hugs for your friend; clubbing together and getting a tree or shrub or something and a wee plaque sounds like a great idea

the things you find online !

Clarkes have launched their new website and you can now order online. Website better than before, which isn't difficult, but it seems to me to be very s.....l.....o.....w.

Anyhoo, I have a sneaky wee discount code......33% off and free delivery

Once you have registered click on apply voucher code and type in AWFF33. not sure if it works on bags, but it defo does on boots and shoes.

Happy shopping.

I'm awake with a very clicky bump. I think it's amniotic fluid sloshing around as virgil moves, but it sounds like a creaky gate . Mucho BH and pain/backache this evening......I can see this one just running and running!

sorry you were up talking toyourself last night daisy. Any other night I would have been here. Hope you got some sleep in the end.

Feeling crap here. As soon as I got to bed I started with the throbbing throat, fuzzy feeling skin thing of a panic attack. Feel sick and wobbly now.

And I think my bank card has been cloned

Have to go and clear a path through the toys in the garden - DF is coming to cut the hedge today.