July 2008 - Living in the Twilight Zone of never quite enough sleep to be compus mentus

[libralady]

Just thought I'd better set up another thread as the old one is just about to run out.

Minkus - I have heard that dark green poo can mean the LO is getting too much foremilk and not enough hindmilk but hopefully one of the more experienced breastfeeders will be along to help!! Glad the party went well.

DS - my routine. 6:30am up and feeding. 9-9:45 nap, 10:30ish feed, 12-2 nap, 2:30ish feed, short nap sometime between 3-5, bath 6pm, feed 6:15pm, bed 7pm. Wake him up at 10:30ishpm for another feed.
After that it all tends to go to pot, I would say I get woken up a minimum twice, one for a feed and once for wind, however some nights it can be up to 4 times and it seems to make no difference what I do during the day. I think it really (as most things) comes down to the indvidual baby, we have one at NCT class which sleeps 8pm-7am age 10 weeks. We are all very of that!!

Jodie - unfort I wasn't able to sleep thru the hangover, after being an angel all day A was up 4 times in the night. Grrr.

Ponto - oh it's so horrible when they are upset and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Minkus started a thread here about wind but it has some good ideas on it that could be used for reflux
www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=5&threadid=606898#12373430

TJuice - not really doing any extra-circular activites for the baby, lots of cake-eating and tea-drinking for me however! Intend to do baby swimming and baby signing at some point.

I think I may go get A weighed today he's turning into a real chubby chops, it's so cute.

Thanks for all the reflux advice. I have been trying to keep Bryony upright during and after feeds, giving infacol when I remember and using gripewater if she seems in pain. I also thought I would avoid feeding her just before bed. So last night I fed her at 6, burped her extensively and she fell asleep on my shoulder at 7.45. I laid her in her cot but she woke 30 mins later, screaming, so I gave her gripewater, but she still screamed, so I fed her and she went off to sleep just after 9 and.... slept through the night till 6.50!!! I am amazed and planning to do exactly the same 'routine' tonight, though I feel the chances of it working again are minimal

Hello Ladies, just been catching up, i've been spending too much time on facebook, which is a bit sad. Everyone seems to be doing well, I don't have a routine for Megan, she gets fed when she wants it goes to sleep when she wants, and for the last two weeks seems to have a feed at 9 -930 and sleeps til at least 8 o'clock, 915 this morning! Oh the joy! She's a bit of porker, although still within the lines, 14lb 4oz. I did have problems with colic with her to begin with when I stopped bf at 7 weeks, but I started using the Dr Brown bottles and it cured it almost instantly. Not sure if this would help anyone else whos babies are struggling a little. Reflux is a bit more serious than just colic I suppose.
Having two makes it difficult to do baby groups, as they don't want a toddler running round, esp next to peoples PFB !!
Gosh longest post ever from me....have a good day!

Hi everyone. Nice to be missed jodie

Sorry to hear about Bryony's reflux ponto. I hope it gets better.

Quick update: Charlie is sleeping through the night . disney, charlie's routine is:
7.30am Wake/Feed
9.30 - 10.30 1 hr nap
10.30 Feed
12.30 - 2.30pm 2 hr nap
2.30pm Feed
4.30pm - Short catnap
5.30pm Feed
6.30pm Bath
7.00 Feed
7.30pm Bed
11.00pm - EBM bottle dream feed

The better he sleeps during the day, the better he sleeps at night.

tjuice - total empathy re the hangover! I drank two bottles of wine on Friday night after Charlie was in bed (had brother and SIL here), stayed up until 2.30am and had the worst hangover I've had in years on Saturday. Ugh.

Bought a bumbo. I must say that Charlie is kinda slumped in in though which I'm surprised about. I think I need to give him some more tummy time.

No teeth here yet but lots of dribbling. Oh, and he rolled for the first time a week ago!

14lb 5oz at 18 weeks (12 weeks corrected age).

My Philips Avent electric breast pump has died so I have just bought the medela swing on amazon. Cost £90 so it better be good.

Love to you all. Sorry not to be too up to date with what's going on with everyone. xx

wow peanut i cant believe charlie is 18 weeks already was it realy that long ago

also being born early does he do things at the right age or does he do things or reach milestones at his 12 week age ive always wondered that?

was looking through MN last night there is a due in june 2009 now where does the time go?
i guess il feel a little nostalgic when i see the due in july thread go up

ponto samuel has reflux and has gaviscon now i know what you mean its not nice for them
also sam cant swallow properly cos of his cleft palate but i literally do the gripewater drop by drop on the tongue or calpol and he is not chokin crying on it anymore,have you tried gripewater this way

Minkus if bf the advice for green poo is feed from one side only per feed, keep putting them back on that side, and even do a couple of feeds in a row from same side maybe - as Libra says, make sure they get lots of rich hindmilk. F had loads of green poo and one-sided feeding worked eventually - it can indicate over supply or a fast let-down / baby getting 'flooded' with milk. However, all the advice is that no-one really knows what causes green poo and if everything else is ok, don't worry!

We have bizarre poo at the mo - F still saving it up for just once a day or every other day and then it's quite something to behold...

F had jabs this morning and is totally conked out. DD1 has given up naps and was asleep at 6.30pm!Very quiet here - lovely!

Routine??!! Goodness knows..

Hi disney - it's weird, we're meant to go by his 'corrected age' but he does a lot of things before he should, and a few after his chronological age iykwim.

I'm impressed with you guys with 'routines'. We wing it. but Ed seems to be falling into his own routine. sort of.

He wakes at 6-7am ish, has slept through the last 2 nights (!).

feeds every 2hrs through the day. sleeps at 830 on the way to school. and then again on the way to school at 1145. then usually at 2pm ish in his pram in the kitchen, if we're in, then usually wakes and needs feeding on the way to school at 315pm!

But we're not always in between school dropoff/pickup. so he sleeps when he can and gets fed where I can. fed him in the car before pick up at 1145 today. poor little thing!!

But we're good with routine at bedtime. he has a bath, either with his sisters or in the baby bath by himself. then last feed in his room and then bed. Cass.

Morning all,

Feel like crap so I'll keep it short!

Period finally came this week and it's a monster, feel like I;m 38 weeks pregnant again, constant hunger, need to go to loo all the time, constant headache, thirsty, sweaty etc etc it's abit pants really. It's nearly over though, so chin up!

cass we aren't in a 'routine' as such, Sam dictats to us when the day starts, but we've got bedtime down to a fine art!!! Today it was 6am feed, back to bed for him, but now DS1 up....

peanut Nice to hear from you.. Glad everthing is going well.

WW Isn't it DD's birthday this week? What did you get her in the end? Are you doing something fab?

Libralady Is it your birthday tomorrow?

Disney I was thinking about that Due in July 09 thread! It will be so wierd, might have to pop by and wish them luck when it happens, will be soon though won't it! I can't believe it's been nearly a year since we all got our BFP's!

Tjuice We haven't been doing anything 'baby' again, difficult to do stuff with a toddler crashing the party, but did it all with DS1, Yoga, singing, signing, swimming, Tumbletots!!! His calender was busier than mine ever was! There 4 of us at Mother and toddler that had babies in the same week (must have been a black out in our village!) and we've all got boys of about the same age, so we stand about and chat about sleepless nights and things while the boys race round the playground.

Well so much for keeping it short and sweet!

Have a great day.

Aggh. THREE times during 12 and 6am. THREE times. *glares at her adorably cute son who is currently smiling up at her full of beans.
I can cope fine with being up twice but for some reason that third 30minutes absolutely kills me.

Oh Libra I so sympathise - I too can cope with twice but struggle with the third and guess which little "darling" was up 3 times in the minkus household too! Hope you have a relaxing day and nothing taxes your poor tired brain too much.

Thanks all for words of wisdom about green poo- I do know that I have quite a fast letdown initially so maybe he just gets too much. Plus he's been feeding like anything the last few days so guess each time he feeds he's been getting the foremilk. Greedy little piggsy!

Peanut you seem to have your routine down pat, I must admit that things are a bit too unpredictable here for me but think that's just because I haven't had the time to take note properly of Louis' habits. The last three months have gone past so quickly in a blur of sick that I can really feel my last baby days slipping away from me Really need to focus more attention on him I think.

On Sat morning my mum looked after the boys before the party for a few hours so I could get final prep done- I called to check how things were going and that he'd taken his ebm bottle ok- which he had then she announces that he'd just gone to sleep, she left him to cry She know that we've never done that with either of our boys (esp at such a young age)- made me cry for about an hour and so so disappointed in her. My poor wee man was saying "I need you to go to sleep happily" and he thinks that nobody cared enough to come . She said "oh it only took 12 minutes (!) I was only in the kitchen" but for all he knew she could have been on the moon. The very first time I let anyone else look after him without me and she goes and does that. Really don;t want to come across as judgey here because I know letting your baby cry works brilliantly for some families (my sisters lo's both did and they are perfectly happy healthy and lovely) but for me it just doesn't feel right. so cross and upset with her.

oooh big post lots to say sorry!

Libra, I know, it's a killer - I saw 2am, 3am and 4am on the clock last night - tho 4am was courtesy of dh who had been up working/fallen asleep on sofa! Then everyone up at 6.45...

We still haven't really had any rain here, even tho keeps being forecast - I've had to water the pots of geraniums!

Morning all. So much to read and just catching up. My little Aidan is 11 weeks today and looks like a right little boy sitting in his bouncy chair. He smiles and giggles and squeals heaps. He drools so much, I ended up tucking a muslin around his neck..but then he looked like a tiny "Lawrence of Arabia" so maybe not. No rolling over yet..but it's still early days. Since he dropped his night feed...I was giving him too much milk and he was projectile vomiting it everywhere in the morning. Started expressing it off and putting it in the freezer..better now.

Disney - I would like to send you a wee parcel of american stuff. Will you email me at [email protected] ? thanks.

We're gearing up for Thanksgiving around here. My nephew (he's 27) will be visiting with his girlfriend..yay! The first family on my side to see the baby so very excited

Tjuice - I started coffee morning hopping around the southside. I'll just have to see. Some of the girls in the NCT group are hosting a baby massage class. Also met a couple of mums my age from netmums and am meeting one for coffee today at noon. (thanks for the tip pigleychez) I'd like to do waterbabes but it's all I can do to just get out of the flat and go for a walk somedays.

routine? up at 7am most mornings..feed, again at 9..catnap..plays from then to 12pm when I either go out or try to put him down from 12-2pm..feed again then plays till 4pm..45 min nap till dad gets home..feed. bathe at 8 and then down for 9:30 back up at 7 am.

We've been trying to inch bedtime forward to 8 but he's not too interested and DH loves his time with the baby. Off to get a load of washing on and get out of the flat before I chicken out.

Hello all,

Tjuice- We occasionally go to the local NCT group if we are free and regularly meet up with friends with LO's but no classes as such.
I did look into a sing and sign class but it was quite expensive and had to pay up front. At the mo Abigail sometimes sleeps mid morning when the class would be on so dont want to waste the money if she going to sleep through the class.- Cue me signing along on my own

Disney- We dont have a set routine, however Abigail seems to be finding her own.

Wakes around 5/6 am
Feed
Dozes off again till 8/9 then up and dressed
Feed
Play then nap
Feed around 12
Either play then nap or straight to sleep
Feed about 4
small Play then nap
feed 7
Play time with daddy.
feed 9ish Bath(not everyday)
Bed around 10
Sleep through till 5/6am

All very rough times.

Ponto- Is the reflux any better now?

Libra- With you on the night feeds. Abigail has been sleeping 10/11 ish till about 5/6 but the other day she woke for a feed at 2.30! It was a killer!!

Minkus- Sorry to hear about your mum. My mums abit like that too. I havent left her alone with Abigail yet and am trying to make the way I want things handled clear before I do.
Think Weaning is going to be the main thing with my mum.. My sis is weaning her 4mth old and gives her biscuits and chips ect. I dont want to start till 6mths and no way will it be chips and biscuits! Mum will try though saying well your sister did it! Sympathy to you

Mcchesers- Glad you found Netmums good and that you are meeting other mummies.

Having a lazy day today... just boring old housework and such!
Abigails being a pickle today!- One minute shes tired so pop her in her rocker for a nap and she doesnt go off just sits smiling at you so get her out for a play and she gets grumpy again and tired... been like this all morning. Only had about 40 minutes sleep since waking up this morning at 8.30am
which is unlike her. Have an awake day!

awww poor u minkus

ive never left samuel with anyone yet and TBH i just cant i have a separation issue going on here and im so afraid that will happen if i let someone mind him for a while.
sure brought tears to my eyes when u said that

trouble other generations did things different to us and a good old cry never hurt no baby i was told my someone

samuel always knows il come if he cries im there to cuddle him if hes in pain and ive been told im what was the saying "makin a rod for my own back " now i dont understand the meaning there anyone know?

mchesers mailed you honey!!!!
gettin ready for thanksgiving here too the boys are gonna invite there friends round as well
have fun with the relatives also you say your going home to see your mom for christmas or have i got the wrong person
pigley ive looked at net mums but im a chicken and still not been out an met no one yet its like il do it next week but it never comes

Poor baby Minkus but I am sure he won't hold a grudge against you. I am always very protective of my baby, hate leaving them.

Hi All,

Yep JODIE - DD is 2 on Saturday - we are off to my parents' in the Highlands for 2 whole weeks!! DH is staying for 4 then coming home to an 'empty' for a few days as he never gets any time on his own and it means he can fanny about with cables and watch DVDs at ear bursting volume and leave everything lying about at his arse with no one getting on to him

We bought her a dance mat, a cuddly Po, some books [she is a real book worm] and some clothes and a pair of shoes. She has a toy kitchen/cooker thing for her Xmas. Enjoy your hols!

I have been reading posts but can't remember what has been happening with you all now! Have had as helluva week with DD, Calvin and Dh all being poorly - so lup with the 2 Dc in the night and running after all of them - consequently my throat was killing me last night and even though DD finally slept through the night and Calvin slept quite well I couldn't sleep due to my throat Am so of you all getting a semi-decent nights sleep. I am up 3 times minimum with Calvin and that is if DD doesn't waken. hence the reason I ams o glad to be visitng my Mum and Dad - a bit of respite -we are goping to take C swimming for the first time too. he is such a wee smiley boy now - he chuckles and gurgles and squeals like a wee piggy he is real chubber too! DD will love it at my parents too as she adores animals and we have a croft with Highland cows, chickens, ducks, guinea fowl, sheep and dogs.

It will be the first time my dad has met Calvin.

DISNEY and MCHEESERS - enjoy Thanksgiving when it come - when is it? try not to get too homesick.

NOTANOTTER - is DS's name Astrid then (that is my first bet followed by Alice)? Are you going to tell us now and also his name now that you have switched and why did you switch (nosy emoticon).

MINKUS - my Mum was getting on at me for the fact that DD isn't potty trained yet - I was rather sharp with her though She is abossy mare but so am I (no idea where I get it from ). We all do the best we can I suppose and feel that our way is the 'best/right' way - wonder what we'll all be like as Grandparents?

SK - how are you getting on? Any new ideas about you time and did you enjoy the wedding?
Did your BF get the house yet? We are going to take a trip down to sunny Saltcoats by the sea before Xmas to catch up with ILs and see friends in Largs. Hope all your girls are behaving themselves and not driving you too potty (like my DD is just now).

TJUICE - has your moustache gone yet? My pigmentation is still there

No routine here at all apart from anytime between 5 -6pm then bottle then he sleeps usually. I feed him when he wants and he sleep when he wants - the only thing I have done is move him from my bed into the Moses basket to try to get him used to being on his own a bit. I would like to put him in his own room at Xmas.

Anway am off to dry my hair and watch Silent Witness with DH.

Did anyone watch Jodie Kidd Who do you think you are? Just love that programme - so fascinating. When I am at Ps I am going to spend a day with my Grandma (82) and get her to go thourhg the family history and pop it into the laptop - love family history and my Mum's side were really interesting - I am quite unusual in that I actually remember both my Great Grandmas.

Nite all
xxx

Hi all,

Yes it is my birthday tomorrow and our wedding anniversary.

Goto go Luke os calling................

hiya all...

long time..no routine yet, jus feed and sleep went she wants, in the day every 2 hours ..arghhhh! night time goes down between 7-8 and gets up between 1-2 and 4-5/5-6..and wake sup wen she wants, normally 7.30!

got thrush, so dealin with that..

she got a blocked noses..and a cough..what cn i doooooo?

miss u all!

oh yes it was eid, and leah got lots of presents, and spoilt..hehe!

Mama2leah Get some Saline Solution from the chemist and drip some down her nose before each feed. Also put her matress on a tilt, some blankets underneath the matress or some blocks or something under the feet. (unless your still co-sleeping?)

Libralady HAPPY BIRTHDAY have a great day

WW have a great weekend with the folks, enjoy letting someone else take over for a while.

Minkus Sorry to hear about what your mum did Why do mum's always think they know best?

We had a breakhrough last night, first Sam went in his cot for the first time and slept reallly well (not brill, but well) and DS1 slept without his dummy!!! (he did wake up about 3 times, but quickly settled) Ive packed him off to nursery without ine today too, going cold turkey ahhhhh (it's a bit scary, but it's gotta be done!)

aw minkus at your mum. abbie is never left to cry and neither were the other 5.

once my mum had ds2 then aged 18months and he fell and had to be taken to hospital and my mum never phoned me cause she said she didn't want to spoil my day out
he was fine but i was soooooooooo upset and just wanted to hold him for ages after - i can still cry thinking about it

having a nightmare with new kitchen - details later......

abbie doing great and soooooooo good but has a little cold just now - bless her, wee lamb xx

so her legs highed then her head? no no no co-sleepin, my back hurt to much!

oh yes...sumtign shocking, which really pissed me off and made me cry, we were cleanin and under leahs mattress and under the drib there was loads of mould, my baby was sleepin on mould...!!!!!!!!

mama2leah No Head higher than feet, sorry.

oh k, will do!

i use saline drops and a baby aspirator for samuels nose hes got a cold on top of his cleft
which means he dribbles and sicks from his nose not his mouth anyway
plus now hes got a runny nose on top and hes teething his fist is stuck in his moth chewing 24/7
got weighed yesterday hes 11lb 13oz
gettin a bit nervous now as his op is in 13 days time
i saw that ad for great ormond street hospital and the mum waiting outside for her child
my eyes teared up at that and i hugged samuel so close to me
had a HV yesterday asking how im coping with sams illness and how do i feel about these ops ive never met her before so i said fine how does she think i feel?
she suggested we do video,s of him quite pissed me of really as if to say if it all goes wrong as he has a bad heart you have memories
i cant even go there so theres no videos hes not going no where i never expected it to be this hard emotionally
i was upset last night and scared my dh as i said if we lose samuel im going with him i cant leave him he needs me
this is how i feel so its best i remain positive one day at a time i guess