July 2008 - Living in the Twilight Zone of never quite enough sleep to be compus mentus

[libralady]

Just thought I'd better set up another thread as the old one is just about to run out.

Thanks minkus! minnie1 - funny, I used to give c water in the summer (all three days of it). I tried giving him water with some watered down apple juice in it, but he just screwed his face up and, pushed the teat out of his mouth and let the water dribble out the side of his mouth!

Goodnight all... hope you all have easy nights (well, as easy as can be expected).
x

Morning all,

Ds - Alex is 9 weeks (in about 4 hours!)
Good head control
Smiles in response to other peoples smiles
Is very noisy, babbling etc
Doesn't turn head when I speak
Yesterday rolled over onto his side!

Also the withdrawal method is NOT safe, you could get pregnant without your DH even having an orgasm as there can be sperm in the pre-come.

Jodie - I used the injection for years and years and thought it was great I had no bad side-effects and didn't get any periods. Took about a year for my periods to come back regularly when I came off it. Thing is it effects each person differently.

Pigley - glad you had a good night out

SK - they are the best type of females

Rumpel - well done on 4lbs weight loss but your new name puts yourself down which you shoudln't do!

Minkus - Alex is a windy baby as well and seems to spend his life decorating our house in sick, won't take a dummy unless I keep it in his mouth! Here are a few things we do to help relieve it
a) Use infacol religiously at each feed
b) put him on his side to sleep (like yours he screams the house down on his back)
c) put him on a routine so I know when he maybe hungry and when it could be wind.
d) stop using the boob as a comforter (this one is quite difficult, to soothe A we put him over our shoulder and walk whilst gently rubbing his back)

Well I finally crumbled and today is the fifth day of Gina Ford, Alex has got the day down to a tee and it's so nice a)having a 2 hour break in the middle of the day and b) having my evenings back. I know there is a lot of criticsim of GF and to be honest not a big fan of getting up at 7am but Alex is so much more cheery the times he is awake and it's nice for me (and probably him) knowing what is happening next. Control freak I know. The only bit he still hasn't cottoned on to is sleeping without a feed between 11 and 7am BUT I think he is waking up with wind rather than hunger. Saying all that it is easy for me as he is the PFB and so I don't need to consider other children, pick up from school times etc.

First solo outing yesterday went to London for a Andrew Lloyd Webber Concert in Hyde Park with a bottle of pink bubbly and my best friends, twas fab and have to admit I didn't miss A which makes me feel slightly guilty!

Ds - Luke is 12 weeks
Good head control
Smiles in response to other peoples smiles and silly baby talk
Is quite often cooing and going with good eye contact.
Does turn head when I speak or come into the room

I'm a happy Mummy this morning, Luke slept through for the fourth night in a row
Bed at 8pm, dream feed at 11pm (although only took 4oz) and then woke up at 7am. Yesterday he went to 7.30 so must also appreciate his Sunday morning lie-ins

Does anyone who's children have just started school find their LOs picking up horrible prases and habits?

DS1 was a horror yesterday (and DH was out again on another jolly day out - this time a golf day) so was left at home with the kids (again).

Took them to the play park around the corner and then visited the in-laws ( who dodn't even bother to ask DS1 about his first week at school - grrrgh)and he was a monster, answering back and coming out with phrases that we'd never used and he must have picked up from somewhere. Trying to explain to him that it is naughty so say such things, all I got in response was 'I'm Tired' which is his normal response when he doesn't want to do something. When I've suggested in the past that if he is tired he should go to bed for a kip, all I get is NO and a massive strop which appears to be getting worse now he is at school.

I am determined that I'm going to dump the kids on DH one weekend and say, right I'm off out for the day, you can look after them and then you'll appreciate what hard work it is.

He's had all summer weekends off playing cricket, quite often both days so i think it's about time he experienced single parenting. What do you think? I feel all I'm about at the moment is washing, ironing,cooking,feeding L tidying the house, washing up, washing, ironing, etc.etc. It's a vicious circle

OK. Rant over. Sorry guys, but I do feel better now.

Oh well better get ready to go to Tesco's. Found out last night I have no washing up liquid!

LL - if you dreamfeed at 11pm when does Luke get a nappy change? We were thinking of giving A a dreamfeed at 11pm instead of waking him up fully (which, understandably makes him very cross) but we don't want him to go 7pm-7am without a nappy change.

As for your DH, I think you should put your foot down, the weekend should be one day for you as individuals and one day as a family i.e one weekend saturday he plays cricket and therefore sunday is family day and the next weekend saturday you go to a spa and sunday is family day. However I know putting your foot down is easier said than done, especially if things have been a certain way for a while.

eeeek I do go 7 - 7 without nappy change...Raff goes bananas and the collicky crying starts all over... Obviously if it is a poo we change it!
Quick message as have spent too long reading - I have been concerned over the way Raff's belly button protudes and having read thread this morning it makes sense...the crying has probbly pushed it out.

Rumpel still not noticeable change, but at least they ave not causeed side effects...constipation etc.

Must dash!

Well obviously I did tempt the fates too much last night - couldn't wake P for love nor money for a dream feed last night, so predictably she woke at about 3.30! Still not too bad I suppose.

I think we last change her at about 8/8.30 and then don't nappy change until the morning (in disposable not cloth nappy) - the way I see it is that DS goes 7-7 in the same nappy with no ill effects. I know he's not feeding during the night, but still.. will keep an eye in case of any rash though.

We are a poorly household here - no colds but both DH and I feeling generally vague, exhausted and dizzy, to the point where he fell over as soon as he got up this morning!

Libralady definitely let your DH have them for at least one day - I did the sling trick with DH over the weekend, definitely helped with appreciating what it was like for me!

Rory 7 weeks

-pretty good head control
-Smiles - particularly at Daddy , but at most people, and sometimes at nothing at all.
-Doesnt laugh yet
-coos and gurgles - 'talks' with his whole body, moving arms and legs around maddly while cooing

• bats his arms at things within reach and gets excited when he makes them move

-Stares moving things and follows them with his eyes and head -has just started to turn his head at the sound of a voice

wobblingweeble - Rory is just like that - last night slept 8 til 11.30, up again at 2am, and 4am then snuffling, whimpering feeding on and off til 7 (very windy every night from about 3 or 4 onwards) It is driving me spare. No real sleep here at all and after 7 weeks it's really getting me down. - I also have the same misgivings about the coil with regards to mini termination each time a fertilised egg doesn't attach, but am not sure what else to do, as I so do not want any more children! Also, well done on weight loss. Yeah!

Jody - Many happy returns

need advice gals:
my sis in law had chicken pox, its call crusted over an comin to and end

i been invited to my mates house for dinner today, BUT i dunno if i have chicken pox, its been 15 days since she had it... the mate is pregnant...

Morning All,

usual 2am, 4am shuffuffling until 7am then up with DD MINKUS - you too? Bah!

PEANUT - I tried C with water previously and he wouldn't take it but he does now - I con him sometimes during the night when I am too knackered to jump up and ghet milk before he awakens everyone else! I asked the GP about his bellybutton as I had a friend who got an umnilicol hernia when pg - was bleurgh!! But it isn't - it is just really sticky outy.

EEC - how is your DH now? What about the implant? The GP mentioned that to me - it releases progesterone into your bloodstream to stop you becoming pg and keeps the womb lining too thin - I do need to do a bit of research on it though. Apparently they don't recommend the jag as much now and prefer the implant but she said if you were unsure then to try the jag for a while and see how you got on before going for the implant. TBH I am quite happy using condoms for the mo'. Bit worried about weight gain with hormone contraceptive devices too as I do put weight on when on the pill (feel I am too old for that now anyway).

Wobblingweeble is a tongue in cheek name for the diet thread - I know I'll lose the weight eventually although had 1 too many glasses of red last night and sat up chatting with Dh and watching the hilarious Dara O'Brien live - it is just so nice to sit in peace and relax when they are both asleep that sometimes you sit up too late and pay for it the next day

Anyway Mummy/baby club today - first aid and resucitation for babies so it will be busy.

DISNEY - poor wee Samuel - kids are resiliant though but it must be horrible for you both too.

JODIE - Happy 2nd Birthday to your DS1 - hope you enjoyed Thomasland!

Calvin has major snuffles today and can hardly breathe - time for kiddies olbas oil!

Byeee!

hi Minkus:
I second the advice to put him back on same boob - early on, I was putting f on opposite ('full') side every time she wanted milk, and she was getting flooded with foremilk so never being really satisfied and wanting more straight away, and also getting wind as she was choking and spluttering. When I made sure to put her back on same side for a while, so she got the richer hindmilk, she settled down.
If she has a 'proper' feed then I'll put her back on that side for up to an hour and a half or so after, if she wants more. IYSWIM.
If he is putting on weight fine, you really don't need to give formula.
HTH and makes sense!

rumpel - congrats on the weight loss!

I never nappy change at night - Poppy goes 7 - 7 (cloth nappy)

I know withdrawal is not a good contraceptive, but I am pretty confident my fertility is on hold at the mo with the bf.

re poos - my 2 ds would often go 10 days without a poo (my god it was a big one though!) but Poppy seems to have 2 days doing lots of poo then 2 or 3 days with none.

Still on the poo subject I hope potty training is going well SK...

Hi everyone, been catching up with the thread, I also have a dh which believes that as he works all week the weekend is his to do with as he pleases. Always Sunday without fail, and sometimes sat if I'll let him get away with it, and weds eve if there are a group of them who go up to the field to partake in the hobby at least I think thats what they do! . Also money is quite tight for us at the minute, and dh wants me to go out to work for at least 3 evenings a week, and maybe Sat, but def not Sunday as thats his Hobby day.
Kinda peed off with him at the minute, he thinks I sit on my arse all day! He thinks the house cleaning fairy comes in to do all the chores ( he also very very rarely helps with any cleaning/cooking etc) and I can get up at 230am to feed Megan then I get up at around 630am at the minute and am still sorting things out at 9pm! and do a job? Actually writing this down makes me realise what a tosser rubbish dh he's being at the momment.
Sorry bout ranting post....

M2L the only experience i have had with chicken pox is all my dc had it when i was pregnant and the HV said that may have contributed to sams deafness as i rang the MW at the time ans the stupid woman said i was ok and didnt need any jabs which wasnt true i was not immune
my advise is dont go as it can take up to 3 weeks for spots to come out and v infectious beforehand as well

I am a no nappy changing mummy at night, and leah is doing 8-9pm till 7am. Blessed i know, only problem is DD1 and 2 can wake... If Leah was dirty or really wet i would change. No need now as she is going all night.. Wooohooo

Sorry to hear some hubby are being arses.. DP did try a few times to do as he pleases at the wkend, but he relised that coming home to a wicked DP and 3 wild kids is no fun either.. I think 3 under 3 he really has no choice god love him..

Day 10 of my periods and no let up at all..

Hello everyone,

Peanut- Have you tried cooled boiled water with a little bit of fresh orange juice in it? That helped Abigail.

Libra1975- Glad you had a good time
I try not to change nappies during the night as i find it wakes Abigail up too much then wont go back off for a good hour! Obviously if shes poo'd then ill change it but i then put an old towel over the changing mat so the cold mat doesnt wake her too much. Shes goes from about 10/11 till 5 ish.

Libralady- at 4 nights in a row!
Although Abigail is only 7 weeks against Lukes 12 weeks so theres hope yet!

puddingchef- Sorry to hear your having a rough time with DH.

All those with colds and snuffles- Hope you feel beter soon.. Seems to be alot about at the mo. Friend has just cancelled our meet tomorow as her little girl is poorly.

Abigail is sooo smiley at the mo. Its just the sweetest thing! Ive added a few new pics to my facebook page.

Isaidno which cloth nappies do you use?? We use cloth during the day but for both use disposables at night. I guess DS was quite a heavy wetter and for me I ended up thinking life was too short to be woken up by needing to change him + his nightwear as well as for feeding!

Puddingchef I feel quite angry with your DH just reading that!!

Oooh I am being brave tomorrow and going to a mumsnet meet at a local cafe. Don't know any of them (even through chat) but at the worst there will be cake...!

good for you minniemummy. The local Taunton group doesn't seem to be very active. I really must go to a local group - still haven't really met anyone here yet.

Just back from first jabs my poor baby was funny seeing all the babies there one wee boy was over 15lbs and looked about 6 months and he was 8 weeks. B is now 11lb 11ozs half a pound a week Mummy's milk must be extra creamy (it's the chocolate)

potty training - argh it's tough, we are having about a 50% success rate with pees, poos still none in the potty. She was completely dry at nursery today though. Was strange though as there were 3 of us at the health centre today for first jabs and we all had 2 year olds with birthdays in January and we had all delayed potty training.

Re: DHs/DPs I agree you have to get tough with them, it's a partnership 50/50, they wouldn't want to be left with the DC all weekend and neither should you. Great to have hobbies and outside interests but you need family time too. In saying that my DP was doing my head in all weekend he had no patience with the DDs who were in fairness a nightmare at times but hey I have that all the time!

I don't change nappies at night either, takes me all my time to remember to switch sides and pull up my top and latch her on (lazy Mummy)

Chicken pox - my DDs had it in November, I checked online and it said you were only at risk if you weren't immune, I know I am immune as have the marks to prove it. Seems like everyones DC has had it this year.

Poos - B is very active in that department you can hear her going and it's quite loud, most nappies are dirty even just a little bit. I remember DD2 got v constipated around being weaned I one HV said oh it will be fine gove her orange juice then anotehr said "oh you should never have left her over a week get to the doctors )conflicting advice!

Right best be off again WW3 is in full progress upstairs

Hello all. So busy with this wee guy...very cranky as of late, in the evenings. He's been getting up for his middle of the night feed and not going back to bed. Last night was the worst..screaming and going beet red in the face for what seemed like no reason at all.

He's better now and not so moody at the moment. What I have to do now is get him to take naps..in his bassinet. Chickened out of first day at toddlers today out of sheer exhaustion and went back to bed with the baby just to get some kip. So good for you minniemum for getting out.

Disney - IKWYM about being home and coming back. Although I'm getting used to living here. I had forgotten about the groceries thing and could not figure why the baggers were so insistant on taking my things to the car. I hope you get some answers at the doctors. xxhugsxx

Also, I am in awe of you ladies who are getting so much done around the house. I find at the end of the day getting a sandwich down my throat is about all I can ask for. Where does the baby go while you do all this stuff? I can't put mine down for more than 30 min at a time without him fussing and being lifted. Am I missing something?

Hi All
Just a quick note to say that the Mirena is not a coil in the traditional sense - it is actually an IUS (intra-uterine system) rather than an IUD (intra-uterine device). It delivers hormone directly in the womb, causing thickening of the cervical mucus and thinning of the uterine wall. In a large nunber of women, it stops ovulation altogether. So it is more like the contraceptive implant than the IUD. HTH all those trying to decide on their contraceptive of choice (including me!).

Hi Everyone...

I am having same dilema over contraception as still unsuccessful at persuading dh to have snip

Abbie went to bed at 8.30pm last night and got up for dream feed at 10pm and didn't wake again till 7am......then fed all morning Good baby!!!

mcchesers - I get nothing done either!!
minniemum - I use hemp nappies at night either ella's house bumhugger or baby beehinds with a motherease wrap. Never had any leakage so far!

mcchesers - once I get B down asleep I whizz around the house like a mad woman, she usually has a good 2 hours in the morning, this morning I dropped the other DDs off at nursery came back B was asleep so whizzed about doing the housework and had a quick shower too she woke as I was drying my hair fed her she went back down so I did some more housework and had a quick something to eat then it was time to pick them up again. Theres also times during the day when she's happy to sit in her swing or under the baby gym for 20 mins and I can get things done then. My biggest thing is keeping the other two away from her, they adore he but are always up at her kissing her, rocking her, she even had a pretend star chart today.

Contraception - in our house having a baby is enough contraception it's 100% full proof too

Sorry Disney, I didn't include P's progress (if you want more, not sure if you have enough already):

almost 7 weeks she can

• hold head up really well
• smiles intermittently, still seems a bit random
• doesn't laugh yet
• the odd random noise but I wouldn't really call it cooing
• stares at light and faces but also sometimes right through you (it seems)
• often responds to my voice by turning her head but not always

Not relevant to what you asked but she is also turning into a right little chubster!! I'm sure DS didn't have this much of a double chin

mcchesers
Leah was like that in the evenings, very cross. I started using a bottle of water in between the morning feeds and found it helped in the evening.. I think she was getting pains in her yummy poor thing.

Off to bed
Night night all hope the night goes smoothly..