Feb 08 - Never mind my wrinkly tum, look what's come out of my baby's bum!

[Gill79]

done it

Hello everyone,

First day back at work tomorrow SO NERVOUS! Also I want to pump milk but am worried about this (lack of privacy, grotty communal fridge, etc). Have invested in extensive cleaning equipment as well as the usual sterilising stuff. OMG ... think I have forgotten how to do anything work-wise, as well. DH today asked me in all seriousness if I thought I was safe to drive after having barely driven the car for 8 months - what cheek! And poor LO at nursery all day (although obv I know he will be fine really but it is still sad)

missnat - wish I had known you were down in Wolves, I have a good friend who lives there and was there not long ago meeting up with her and her LO.

It sounds like you are in an awful situation. Don't ever let someone tell you that you are "using PND as an excuse" - that's not the point is it? You feel how you feel. And you shouldn't have to apologise for that. Anyone who cares about Henley should be making sure you get all the support you need at this time.

It's interesting what you say about the MMC, I had one of those in the past and also am definitely on the (over)protective side with my LO. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to have an EP as well.

I reckon you and Henley should go to your mum's for a week. Sounds like you need lots of cuddles and chocolate! Also: if you are away for a whole week you might find your DP learns to appreciate you a bit better when you get back . Yes Henley won't see his daddy for a week but he will see his grandma and that's important too.

good luck sally!!!!

oh gosh rozzy, you are right . just seen a thread APsmum started in preg to keep people updated.

sally good luck! first day will be tough but should get easier... can you secretly MN while you're at work?

GOsh if it is Tinkerbellsmum I hope she is ok. She has a medical condition (cant remember what) that means her babies are born prematurely, I know she lost her first little girl who was born too early (think 22 weeks or similar) .

Have not read all posts but hope everyone ok.

Am grumpy today as have two conjunctivitis ridden babies who are not allowed to attend nursery today. One day a week and they miss it .

Back later.

Sorry rozzy did not see you had already explained that...

Sally good luck today!

Betty - my dad has left an overnight bag here since DTs were born, I was a bit as thought it meant he would be here all the time but he hasn't... just saves him lugging so much stuff on train as he is a bit of a gimmer now!

Good luck sally!

LLjkk- we had pix done at Rusalka swim (in Hampshire), which is local to us. Husband is a commercial underwater photographer and takes pix of families and LOs underwater at weekends for wife who runs swim school. However, nationlly there is an organisation called littledippers who do swimming for babies (this is actually where ds goes for his swimming lessons but their pool for photgraphy is miles away). there may well be one local to you. Rusalka do pix for anyone, i'm not sure if you have to go to littledipper to get pix done there. I expect there are lots of places that do it too, but they're the ones i know about. It's amazing, when i get them i will see if i can out one on line for you to see. Ds loves swimming anyway so it's a nice keepsake for him and will make good chrimbo pressies!

BTW anyone know what's happened to bean?

Ginger I was just thinking about Bean last night and hoping she is ok. She is on my Facebook friends so I will hunt her down.

DS1 had underwater pics done with Aquatots (they do countrywide swimming lessons and pics are taken at end of each of the beginner levels).

I miss swimming lessons .

Betty so how are you feeling now? Hope not too sick.

Ginger are you at work today? I keep meaning to say to you if you ever fancy getting together please let me know as you are not too far from me. You are always welcome to come to us, or I can come to you on a Thursday when DS1 is at nursery.

Sarah hope your pics are lovely. My DCs had theirs done at nursery the other day (except DS2 missed his as he was asleep), they are so lovely. But they cost a shocking amount. DH wont let me get even ONE of DD as it is £16.50 for ONE PICTURE and as we don't have one of DS2 it doesn't seem right somehow. We have ordered the package for DS1 though, one big and four small pics for FORTY TWO POUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bloomi ng ridiculous.

Whingey babies in bed now. Supposed to be cleaning. Can't be a**ed.

Egg

hope you find bean, say hello for me, hope we didn't scare her too much when we met up!

Am in work today but would love to cach up sometime so we will have to sort something out.

We have nursery pix next week, hope the're not too much as will probably spent a fortune on underwater pix as it is!

Have to go am supposed to be preping stuff for later

Beany is alive and well just v busy and back to work soon so making the most of her boys!

Hi all,

Egg just looked at your pics and the one of you and you two beautiful babies is gorge, you must be so proud to have such a lovely family xxx

Glad to hear beany is well.

Good luck back at work Sally,

hhope u r ok missnat

Collected my pics today, and they are fab, really am pleased with how they turned out, cant get them off disk and onto computer though, will have another go later when i have a little more time, (its a DVD so i guess its to stoip people from just printing their own pics off,

Really tired today, cant be bothered to go to work, nut i will, !!!!Lol it will be fine once i get there i will get a new lease of energy- hopefully!!!

Hi to anyone else i have missed xxx

Hi all,

Thanks for your good wishes - I survived!!! yay. Unfort cannot even slightly secretly MN while at work as we are a bit open plan in the office and my supervisor has a habit of sneaking up behind me while I'm (suposed to be) working...

The "private" room allocated for me to express milk has almost as many windows as is possible without technically being a greenhouse luckily I am inured to such things after extensive training at baby cafe etc.

Gotta go, he's awake again......

missnat i hope you are ok. you have alot to cope with. i agree that your fil is a nob and should never have to be seen again.
egg love the new pictures. ds1 does look like eoeoeggghhh from xfactor. what a bum you missed your 1 day of freedom.
sally hope work went well. i did my first day in over a year today. a one off as not going to start work til feb. went really well although was dreading it and spent journey in moaning on the phone to best friend. i loved it. one of the students i taught last year was there and he said being taught by me was his epiphany during his masters in paediatric osteopathy -very proud and so new to be non baby related proud. mil looked after both kids and only bit her head off once.
ds is still doing his commando crawling, still getting faster at it. maybe in 2 years he'll just be a blur as he hauls himself across the floorboards? dh is convinced he has said 'hello' 3x and dadda. annoyingly, he did try or [probably coincidence] say 'na' when i said 'say nana' -what was i thinking of now i am green with envy. i know he does have 1 word for definite-he says 'eeeeeee' when he wants food and it isn't in his fist that's my boy.

we crossed posts sally. glad you survived. i contemplated having a quick look on mn but also v open plan area.
for whoever it was that was wanting to know the progress of the coil a while back- total f*ing disaster. have now got most of the symptoms had when had pcd about 5 years ago. including -what a joke-pain when having sex so has only happened 3x since was fitted nightmare. having it taken out on thursday and don't know what we'll do then. am terrified of getting pg again but we both feel too soon for ds to have snip.

Hello all! Back from travels. Malcolm started crawling properly today! We're so proud. It's scary though - he is chasing me around the house but it's still full of building stuff, dust, plastic sheeting, power tools etc. We're living out of two rooms at the moment as well.

Had a lovely time in Sardinia.

Have caught up with everything although can't begin to reply to everyone! MissNat I really hope that you can make your relationship with DP work in spite of everything. I moved to a new place to be with DP and it took me a long time (years really) to feel properly happy there. It's all down to having friends around I think. And as for his dad! Yikes. Don't think you are being "over-protective" - sometimes I feel like I can't trust anyone with Malcolm but just let him go occasionally and hopefully you will become more relaxed. Obviously not to the PILs though!

Helloooo Gill, glad you are back safe and sound and no dramas this hols!

DS2 is crawling, cruising and stair climbing occasionally. DD is.... sitting.

Sally and Princess, glad both your days at work went well. I cannot imagine my brain ever being able to cope with normal life again .

I love the idea of the new thread title lljkk, the octopus thing is very true! DS2 is much worse to dress than DD as he can escape within seconds whereas poor DD is stuck and can only try to flip rather than zoom off.

DS1 still in bed . DS2 been up for an hour tho...

Hi gill gald you had good hols.

Ds trying to crawl and almost did last night but wouldn't repeat his efforts. He wont say dada, mama or anything similar but he does say gack (which is cat i think?) to our cats and my mums dogs...great. Had him weighed today, 23lb 14oz!

am off to get some luch while he's asleep but he'll probably wake just as i sit down (thats what usually happens ).

princess, i know its known of my business, but FWIW i think your ds is far too young for the snip

how about "lessons in how to dress an angry octopus (that really bloody hates being dressed)" ... i swear sometimes you'd think i was sticking pins in her one by one rather than putting her arms in sleeves.

feel so bloody awful its untrue. headachey that wont shift and a bit shakey and so bloody sick. but hurrah - dh has just finished working 17 days in a row, 6 of them til 11pm and two passed 9pm but now i have him for a week and a half! no more trying to feed dd while going off to retch.

Ugh Betty so sorry you feel shite. But it's good of course as well. Are you about 7 weeks now? Or am I entirely wrong?

I keep forgetting to tell you, Squonk said you can mail her if you want to chat at all about 14 month gaps etc and managing not to commit infanticide, and so I will mail you her email address when I get round to it. She is lovely.

DD is being a PITA. She has now over the last week more or less given up her evening bottle. But then she always wakes in the night wanting it, and we refuse to feed her, so she cries for a while. Tonight I tried from 6pm til after 7pm to get her take even a tiny bit of milk but she refused point blank.

I fed the babies at just after 4pm (solids), and then they also shared a yoghurt at 5:30, and her last bottle of milk she had only had 3oz and that was before 2pm. No idea why she is not drinking. She still likes a big bottle first thing, and has about 4 or 5oz at 10:30am.

DS1 still has about a pint of milk before bed, and DS2 has an average of 8oz, so I am not used to non milk drinkers. She is driving me mad.

Hello everyone
LOL at octopus thread title. this is so true. To the extent that DH recently told me that getting DS dressed in the morning is "the part of the day he dreads the most" what a sad thing to say about your baby.

However, he has to do it anyway, Haha! because that is when I am having my lovely long shower, my one luxury of the day. If I could cope with the nightmare that was triplefeeding in the early days, I'm sure DH can cope with trying to dress an angry octopus while I have a well-deserved break.

Betty your sickness sounds AWFUL! I hope it is a bit better now. I had forgotten how yucky it is being pg. All worth it in the end of course

princess - how cool for you to be the inspiration for an epiphany! you must be a really good teacher. sorry to hear about your troubles with the coil.

I still haven't decided what to do about contraception. The only thing I know is that I do NOT want anything hormonal. I've had enough hormones over the past year to last me a lifetime.

oooh, this is a protest post, we could have had a silent day! ladies! anyone'd think we'd started to rethink our priorities and out work/family/cleaning above the ever important MNing.

ugh egg - bring back the nightnanny! i find it very hard to get all the milk i need to into esther. since she's started on solids she's really lost interest. i now only do the morning and evening bottle (240mil each time) and have tea at half three so that when she has her bottle at 6.30pm before bed she is sufficiently hungry to drink it all. bizarrley i find it easier to get the requisite milk into her now that i have dropped that extra bottle. before with three meals and three bottle it felt like she was never really hungry enough for anything.....

pssssttt.... sally contraception is for the weak!!

hello gill and glad you had a nice holiday.

ginger -- at how big toby is... we are starting to grow out of 6-9 clothes now and it seemed only yesterday that i was putting dd into 3-6 stuff even tho they were far too big for her.

Hi everyone - hope you're all well!!!

Princess - I was the one wanting progress reports on your experiences with the coil. I had thought I didn't want to go back on the pill so was considering the coil as an alternative - however, I've just had my 2nd period since ds was born and it lasted TWELVE days and I had the worst hormonal skin breakout ever so I think I will go back on the pill as I never had any problems with that. The only problem with that is I'll have to wait until I've finished bf to start with that.

SB - sorry you're feeling so rough. I had the headachy/shakey horribleness with ds3 - I think it's something to do with changes in blood pressure. It didn't last that long though so I hope it's the same for you. Must be horrible to feel so sick too though.

Egg - your dd doesn't like to make things easy for you does she! Does she have as much solids as your ds2?

Ginger - Toby is a big boy isn't he. We had Andrew weighed this week and he is 18lbs 2oz. He went through a period of 6 weeks where he didn't gain any weight but has gained just under a lb in the last 5 weeks so is moving along the 25th centile line. He is just above average height though so is growing well.

Well done to those of you going back into work this week - your positiveness is making me feel better about my return in December! After almost 2 weeks of school and nursery holidays work 3 days a week is actually quite an attractive prospect

I don't have too many problems dressing ds but changing nappies is becoming a problem. He seems to like lifting his bum up.

Anyway this has turned into a far too long post..... sorryxx

Yes Toby is huge, no one can believe he's only 9 months (and a month early to boot!). For height he's actually off the graph completely, no where near the centile lines at all. His daddy is 6'4'' and lots of my family are tall so i guess he was destined to be big!

Wouldn't recommend the coil at all rozzy, had terrible trouble with one of mine, admittedly though second one i had was ok.

Ds has just started to take exception to dressing and nappy changing. At nursery they don't bother to change him 'cos he makes such a fuss (his clothes, not his nappy!). I don't know why they get like it, perhaps it's interupting their plans for world (or living room) domination!

Poor you swotty, hope it passes soon.

Am so tired at the mo, ds has good nights and bad and it's been busy at work, am glad it's halfterm next week. Unfortunately dd2 has commited herself to some voluntary work with a charity (shouldn't complain) but it means i will have to be organised and out the house every day of my week off by 8 am. So much for slobbing about for a few days. didnt have the heart to tell her it was a bad idea. Will just have to slob about later in the day i guess.

Am going to try for an early(ish) night so night all!

Ginger I keep forgetting Toby was so early! I just think he is big because he is the oldest in our "gang" and that although mine are almost the same age, they were twins so thus a bit smaller.

He doesn't sound abnormally large mind you! Just a good size. I think DS2 is 20lbs or so now and people constantly comment that he looks about 12 months old. It is getting more and more frequent that I have to explain that they are twins and I did not conceive DD on the day after DS2 was born or something equally scary!

And Grrr at your DD2 selfishly doing voluntary work on your week off! As you say, really good on her for doing it though. Can't she get the bus .

Betty it's nice to hear how Esther's meals work out in the day. I am now feeding the DTs at 4pm in an effort to ensure they take enough milk, but still sometimes DD wont have any. She had 2oz though last night and slept through without a squeak for 12 hours -hurrah! In fact both babies slept til 7 which has only happened once or twice before. DS1 was the first up today shouting that he wanted Balamory now.

Rozzy DD does kind of have as much solid food as DS2! She has as many spoonfuls, and sometimes more, but tbh her mouthfuls are smaller so if i actually fed them from two separate bowls I think she would have more left. Their fave food by far is sausage and mash with veg, which is also DS1's fave.

And yes, ROzzy, DS2 does exactly the same as your DS3, lifts up his bum when I am getting the nappy on so it comes too far down his legs, and basically shuffles away from me. DD has learnt the trick now too, and she grins manically while doing it, which makes it hard for me not to grin back at her, so then she thinks she is being very clever.

Sally the part of the day I dread the most is usually when I hear the first DC make a noise in the morning, signally it's time for me to get up! It's not that I don't want to see them but my bed is soooo comfy and I hate getting out of it in the morning! Once we are up and the babies are having their milk and not yelling it is fine though. I don't mind getting them dressed too much, unless it is a nursery day and I am in a real rush and everyone is playing up. DS1 hates me changing his tops at the mo for some reason.

waling in and waving to you all