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AprilMeadow · 03/04/2008 12:34

Hi Ladies, it said we needed a new thread

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Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 14:51

I am, I promise.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 14:53

The pictures of M on your profile are so beautiful. She's working that hat!

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 14:59

She has many, many hats that her evil mummy makes her wear. That's one of the more conservative ones. With all due respect, that posh nanny woman couldn't be further from my pov. I won't offer my opinion unless you really want to hear it.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 15:01

I do want it. Give me it now. Does it involve me having to go to bed at 9pm because she won't go to bed without me? Or standing in her room for an hour while she goes to sleep only for her to wake an hour later?

Go on...

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 15:32

PJ, I just typed out a long post and deleted it because I don't think it would help you. You clearly want a solution to the situation and I can't even edge in that direction. I just have strong opinions on babies/children and the sleep relationship. I can't help but feel that I come across as a bit preachy and a lot hippy like when I get started on the subject. We do things very differently to the norm I suppose and it works for us but I have no qualifications for pushing it on others.

I'm just a tree-hugger in librarian's clothing.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 15:32

SOH, come back

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 15:34

x post again!!!!

I know you've got your views and I respect them very much. I do want a solution really. One that enables L to wake up in the morning well rested and where mummy and daddy have at least a little time to themselves.

I just don't want a solution that involves me listening to her breaking her heart crying. And I don't want her to stop crying because she thinks no one is coming.

Maybe I want too much. And as we all know, I want never gets!!!!!!!

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 15:36

And another thing I am not really that bothered about the co-sleeping. In truth, I like having my little munchkin all cuddled up to me. But dh is starting to feel left out, as the gaping creviss between us gets bigger, and L just wakes up earlier and earlier.

I feel guilty now.

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 15:51

How early does she wake? Does she nap during the day and for how long? I can tell you what I think and what works for us but I may just cememnt my token hippy status on the thread.

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 15:52

The extra m in cement was from mathilda. She's gifted and trying to type her name.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 15:53

Oh just tell me SOH - it might help. She's going to bed at around 7.30pm and is awake again screaming by 9pm.

Stops the second I pick her up but literally she is roaring in rage. Unless I take her into bed, at which point she grabs my hand, rolls onto her side and goes to sleep (gulp..)

Lupins71 · 18/04/2008 16:01

SOH go on give us co sleeping mummies your pov, I too am alot like PJ am quite happy to co sleep but would like a choice in the matter - certainly happy to carry on until I get a huge bed lol

I wonder how much cake is left - Oh yes I care not!!

PJ sounds a bugger about your job, hope something comes up soon

The fire is roasting and making me sleepy, dd & ds are in their shorts and tshirts

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 16:03

Lups- those piccies from Easter are hilarious. I laughed so much my administrator thought I wasn't doing any work

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 16:13

I'm leaving work at half four to get back to my proper job, hurry up...

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 16:22

Okay, you asked for it. Please, bear in mind a few things first:

  1. I am a hippy
  1. This is only my opinion
  1. I am not criticising people for doing it a different way
  1. I am not qualified and base all opinions on my experiences of my one small child
  1. You do what you want, what works for you and your happiness and L's happiness come first
  1. I am a hippy
  1. This is only my opinion

Sleep is a developmental thing. That's a fact. A child will have its own relationship with sleep and like any other developmental norms will do things at different times, in different ways and certainly differently to other babies. A child will want its own space, will settle themselves and sleep through regularly as a matter of development and not as a matter of 'learning'. It is not like reading and writing, it's like walking and talking, they do it in their own time. That said, you can of course 'train' or 'teach' your child to sleep on its own, to self-settle, to sleep through etc. That's
a personal decision. For me, I don't wish to teach Mathilda the things that go along with that sort of training. I would not want to teach her that when she cries and asks for my comfort that she cannot have it, or she must wait for it. She will learn when she's older that sometimes you have to wait but atm she is too young to understand anything other than my actions. In fact I would go as far as to say that it is right and proper that she still needs this comfort as she falls asleep.

I am very aware that now is the key time for separation anxiety and I know how important my actions are for reassuring her about my place in her life and hers in mine. A secure
attachment at this time is of most importance to me and I think believing that a child of this age can be labelled as 'manipulative' or 'pushing the boundaries' is negative and counter-productive. Actually, they are manipulative as a matter of survival. How else do they ensure nourishment, safety and comfort at an age when they do not developmentally have the tools to communicate in any other way?

Mathilda likes to feed to sleep, something which is normal at her age imho. You could not hope to put her down and expect her to fall asleep on her own. She'd just stand up again and refuse. I feed her to sleep at about 8.30pm and she sleeps on my knee for a while, she will stay asleep if I pass her to dh and we can put her down on a blanket on the floor so I can pick her up and feed her again if necessary or so that she can see we're here if she wakes up. We take her to bed when we go, she sleeps next to me. She did feed periodically in the night but recently has reached a stage where she can self-settle. Literally in the last couple of weeks she's started to wake at night, will talk to herself, roll onto her belly, sing a bit and then drift off again. I will take my cues from her as to when she's ready to be in her own bed. I put her in the cot to play and I put her down asleep in there for naps and stay nearby. She is happy in her cot, it is not a place of anxiety or constraint. She will play happily in there and sleep in there. Eventually she will always sleep in there but in her own time.

I fully admit that it's hard this way and consuming but I know for me that dd is still so little. She will sleep happily on her own, in her room and in her own time. Of course, dh has felt pushed out and we struggled a bit but found other ways. We have 'our time' during the day or in the middle of the night as she's completely zonko and we can sneak out. Grandparents take dd some days or in an evening for a couple of hours and we do all the things we want to do. Our marital bed is the family bed now and we have to be a bit creative in order to have a physical relationship but it's better in the middle of the day with the curtains open. Norty. I take dh into consideration along with dd. If he was truly unhappy this way I'd find a way to change it. She is tiny for such a short amount of time and we can work round her.

Mathilda is learning about the world and learning her place in it. Atm, her place is often with me and I know it would feel wrong to stick her in a room, shut the door and listen to the sobs. I also know that the way this would make me feel is indicative of how wrong it is. I try to follow my instincts with Mathilda and if my gut is telling me it's wrong, if I'm sobbing then not only am I not happy but Mathilda will pick up on this and bedtime will be more about anxiety and force than cuddles and bonding. She will not be in by bed when she's 18.

I don't see co-sleeping, needing me and not sleeping 7-7 as a problem, I just try to accept it as the way things are and find ways that work for us.

But I'm a hippy. You know that. I wear a straw hat.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 16:25

SOH - that's beautiful. Will need time to process. Now I feel like I'm being mean.

Which I know wasn't your intention.

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 16:30

Gordon Bennett, knew you'd feel mean. Absolutely don't. You're such a lovely, good, considerate mummy and your happiness and dp's happiness are also very important. You find a way but I do think that stopping seeing things as a 'problem' per se and just seeing things as 'different' is a start.

Meant to add in. I love, love, love co-sleeping. Waking in the night and seeing dd snoring gently beside me is wonderful, right and beautiful. Damn those Victorians for inventing cots. Co-sleeping is the norm in so many cultures and was the norm here once too. I was born in the wrong century.

Pinkjenny · 18/04/2008 16:32

I feel like that too. Love her little face all snuggled into me. But I also want a little bit of time to myself in the evening, which I don't think is unreasonable, but I appreciate that it may be for others.

You could definitely teach many parents a thing or too. Maybe you should give Gina a quick ring.

cameroonmama · 18/04/2008 16:39

God 'elp us, the hippy is back - and with a vengeance

You ladies have far too much time on your hands. Wait til you have 26 more kids like LG&T and see what your sleep theories will be like then

Seriously though, I like your sentiments SOH, you are an incredibly patient person and M is lucky to have such a caring mum. I (like AM and Mrs JB) am a hard hearted, leave 'em to cry type, but admittedly would find it incredibly difficult to do this at this age now when they are sooooo aware and anxious about being separated from you. I tried to get J to sleep with me the other morning when he woke at 5am but he wouldn't have any of it and only settled when back in his own bed!

Must go and put the poppets into their bath.

Please don't tell me you are all having fun in Portsmouth, I am not listening....

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 16:43

Best not start on what I'd give to Gina hey?

Of course you want time to yourself in the evening. That's normal and reasonable and I'm sure possible. Like I say, I have no qualifications and do things in my own special way.

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 16:53

Must add that I don't have a problem with leaving them in bed when they're older and being tough. When Mathilda's in the 'one more cuddle', 'I need waaaattteeer' phase, I think it will be perfectly reasonable to expect her to understand. She will have a bed time and everything. Children like boundaries I'm sure. I mean in the here and now, I can't and won't do it. She's a baby still. Who is putting raisins in her dad's police helmet and mushing them in as I type.

And Cam doesn't know what sleep problems are. She's married to Mr Bond, one look at him and everything else melts into insignificance. Oh the beautiful, exotic people are so lucky.

They're all pretending to enjoy Portsmouth, what their hearts truly desire is to be here listening to the rantings of the resident hippy.

cameroonmama · 18/04/2008 17:08

They will be so annoyed to have missed you SOH

Pink, this is probably too late to reach you before leaving for home, but I wanted to say that I agree with SOH re boundaries and being manipulated. These beings are so teensy tiny, they have just realised that you and they are two separate beings and that makes them sad. They have yet to learn what boundaries are and they certainly haven't learnt the fine art of manipulation (unlike my 6 yo dd, who has it down to a fine art ). What they do need is lots of love and reassurance and consistency, routine is key, whatever method you choose to follow you need to be consistent. I think by putting Mathilda in her bed in the day and/or letting her play there has stopped it being regarded as a potential battle ground and an area of anxiety and rather an association with play and reassurance. If Mathilda can self settle it seems to me she could easily drift off to sleep in her bed at night time if she and SOH chose to do that. Does Lexie self settle at all? I think this needs to be your starting point... How many day naps does she take and where does she take them?

I've never been called exotic before

TheProdigalShow · 18/04/2008 17:31

I take it back you harridan, sniggering at me.

[hurt]

cameroonmama · 18/04/2008 18:03

Don't you start throwing your fancy words around, just because you are an author now.

Now tell me about my daughter-in- law..walking, talking, obviously reading by now...

Lupins71 · 18/04/2008 18:10

SOH that is lovely, M is sooo lucky to have you as a mummy you wonderful hippy, I have to say I agree with you 100% that is probably why i cant get any of the bed to myself which i would love occasionally

PJ good luck remember your mate lups when L is nicely settled in her cot and your huge bed is way to big - I will be following your progress with interest

DD took till she was 3 to sleep through the nite - bit like AM'S ds, A was sleeping through 7-7 until we moved it has obviously unsettled him on some level, hopefully when he is more settled he will go back to old ways

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