June 07 - hunni hunni's HERE! ;-)

[HellHathNoFury]

unwilling pram chat before I get told to shut up!

OK, I've obviously arrived just as everyone goes away. And it's time for me to go to bed anyway, so good night.

nite jammy.

Think I might retire to sofa with my book.

It's SO quiet again.

sorry! Watching Ladette to Lady -
Then it'll be past my curfew!!

Night x

I watched that too jbm, it's funny. (Though I don't like it when they have to gut rabbits and stuff - surely if you go to finishing school you have staff to do that?

Have just seen on web that Heath Ledger has died of a suspected overdose.

hey ria, are you still around?

I've missed all you lot so much, I feel like I'm out of the loop now!

Anyone like to help with our new found sleep ishoos? Babyboo has decided that she only wants to sleep if cuddled against a shoulder (preferably Daddy's) and screams if we try to lay her horizontally. She has also started waking up every hour and a half and screaming . I think this may be her natural light sleep part of her sleep cycle, but for some reason she isn't settling herself again. Am nearly demented through lack of sleep as it takes half an hour to get her in her cot and then she wakes again an hour later. Have tried leaving her to cry, but she gets so worked up that I end up picking her up.......help!

Does she need a "Blankie" Daisy? Or something that smells of mummy or daddy?

morning all
daisy I would go with the blankie idea my lo has a silky one and he rubs it all over his face and we only give it at sleep time so he associates it
there is a lot of research to show that children who have transitional objects are more secure

morning norty
must dash school run then swimming with lo then meeting fairy for lunch

Morning everyone!

Hey daisy my lovely! How are you? Hope things are slowly getting back to normal. Re. the sleep thing, my ds is the same. He won't go to sleep unless he is held tightly or swaddled or fed and he won't stay asleep unless one of his hands is on my skin or in my hair. He sleeps in bed with his fingers wrapped around my hair, on my face or holding my hand! Have you tried co-sleeping? It might be a short term solution just until you've caught up on enough missed sleep to try and sort the problem out.

I'm really excited about my outing today. I'm going to walk to the nursery shop a couple of miles away and buy lots of things in their sale to sell on ebay! I've made about £100 in the last week by buying ex-display things from Mamas & Papas and selling them on! I love buying baby things, even if they are not for my babies! This shop has loads of lovely prams as well for me to drool over...it's like porn!!

Morning everyone, sorry for AWOL behaviour! Lunches made, DCs all dressed and fed and 5 minutes before we need to get to nursery...

Things have been frantic here and evenings have been flob out and drool (sorry, tmi ).

Daisy, how are you (apart from exhausted)? Is babyboo sickening for something or teething? Sorry, not trying to tell you something you would already have considered, just that DS3 is like this when he's not well. Hope last night was better.

Enjoy your mummy porn today Holly

Morning.

Daisy, sorry for your sleep problems, not sure what to suggest though I'm afraid.

OK, nearly time to take C out to the "make and play" group. She had a whale of time there last week, see what happens today.

Holly - cool that you can make that much money. Have a fun and profitable day today

Andiem/Fairy - enjoy your meet up

Morning all!

Hi daisy, good to have you back! Re the sleeping thing, DD is a very light sleeper too, and has started waking in the evenings, especially if we clatter around the kitchen which is just opposite her room. I have never been able to "feed her to sleep" at night as she wakes up the minute you move her. Also I was getting fed up with her always crying when we put her down, but I have taken to sliding my nipple out of her mouth and sliding a dummy straight in! She then still wakes up between the living room and putting her down in her crib but doesn't cry then goes straight off to sleep.

I am so not broody. I was at bfing group yesterday and there was a new mother trying to look at the books so I offered to hold her 4 week old. Threw up all down my top ! I didn't mind really, but was just shocked at DD never threw up, and rarely ever posseted. DH and I have a bit of a fear about having another baby. This one is so perfect (YKWIM) and nothing went wrong etc. We don't want to push our luck and take another risk. Sounds stupid I know.

Anyway, we are planning for a bigger rather than smaller age gap, 3+ years I think. DH will be 45 or so by then, but it doesn't make as much as a difference for men does it?

morning all!

Daisy/Bumper no help with the sleep problems sadly. We went down the controlled crying route in November-time and now DS will not go to sleep unless we leave him alone and he can have some quiet time. He settles quite quickly then (at home, at nursery is another story altogether!)

Bumper I am surprised you are not broody! I had never considered your reasons though.

Me and DH are both broody but common sense keeps me on the pill!

mornin'

sorry I disappeared last night daisy. had a bugger of a night with baggins though, "stupidly" I started co-sleeping/dream feeding because he had the same issues as your dd and hollys ds, but he's quite taken with it as a permanent thing (I don't mind really, but ds2s bed with 2 bed guards on it is not ideal - ds2 won't sleep unless he sleeps with daddy. at least we haveno fear of an accidental number 4). None of the boys are good sleepers though, there's too much going in in their tiny little minds!

Sorry, that's no help at all is it. It's difficult though (I still blame DH because he has worked on the assumption that sitting with baggins on the sofa is a job he can do while he watches SG1).

FWIW bumper I went through those feelings with ds2&3. Sometimes you also can't believe you could love another etc, but it's fine. I like big ages gaps too!

Must get on DH out playing "kitchen advisor" again and I want to have achieved something before I go to nursery.

Pah! NO-ONE on this thread is PG again.

Come on ladies - I was already a month or two into PG2 by this stage with DC1!

Thanks Ria. what are the age gaps with your DCs?

I've just been to the dr's to see about my thyroid levels and apparently they are normal, so why am I still so tired after 8 hours sleep? She said mums are just tired with a 7 month old baby. I need to go to bed earlier and makes some time for myself . I said that I think I am suffering from anxiety, which isn't helping me sleep. She suggested a counsellor, which I can't afford, but unless I am under 25, or seriously suffering mental illness she can't help. Because once you hit 26 you magically develop coping abilities that the young just don't have, and surely if there was more help for people only suffering mild mental health problems they would be less likely to turn into more serious mental illness. Their only solution is bloody drugs which I don't need.

How's your diet Bumper? and are you exercising enough?

By which I mean being active, not going to the gym! Good news that your thyroid is OK though, isn't it?

Bumper, remember that it's not as if you've had a couple of late nights and one good night's sleep will put you right. You've had MONTHS of nights of interuptted sleep - not just the 7 months since DD was born, but prob through the preg too (if mine was anything to go by). Plus the exhaustion of actually looking after her etc. I wouldn't expect to feel "normal" for a bit yet.

Foxy that would be semi ok, and no. It becomes a vicious cycle, i'm so tired I can't be bothered to exercise, plus I am so bored of traipsing the same streets over and over. It's good that my thyroid is ok, (well, it's no actually ok, just that I am on enough drugs for it) but I kinda hoped that I would get a higher dose and feel more normal again. DH is being really good though, and pledging to give me more time to myself and more lie ins.

I know what you mean about trapsing the same streets Bumper, but it's prob worth it if it "kick starts" your energy levels a bit. Perhaps try a short but brisk walk? I often find the thinking about it is worse than the doing it IYKWIM

Sorry if sounded terribly smug there

Deffo agree with Jammy - a short walk outside every day is pretty essential both mentally and physically.

Any post-natal/baby yoga classes nearby? Or an evening one perhaps for you on your own? Or an Aqua-aerobics class?

Personally I don't do 'me-time'. Its just something else you chase after, it escapes and becomes another disappointment!