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MAY 07 Post natal - This time a year ago it was all just beginning, look at us now...........................

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Mrsjaffabiffa · 24/09/2007 07:43

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ShowOfHands · 24/10/2007 20:36

Gawd Ella is gorgeous and that outfit's beautiful. She's really grown. Does she do M's trick of being all balanced and serene until she sees something exciting and flings herself backwards without warning?

Scoot, do love a jolly little camping trip. What larks. So glad you're back, it's like the sun coming out.

LW, so sorry. Terrible.

Juicylucytoo · 24/10/2007 21:34

Hello, still alive, just barely awake...

Oscar is back to waking 2 hourly or every 1 and a half hours during the night to feed. During the day he still goes 3 hours. This has been going on since Friday night.

I am guessing this is a growth spurt and he's feeding so often to up my production. Some friends have suggested weaning.

Oscar will be 19 weeks old on Monday. I am thinking of getting him weighted on Monday then making a decision about giving him food and / or introducing formula. 4 and a half months seems early to wean...or should I sit it out? Will it pass / improve from alone??

Sorry I'm so rubbish at keeping up to date, but we're in the middle of doing up the house (all of it!) and with so little sleep I'm quite f**ked most the time to be honest.

ShowOfHands · 25/10/2007 09:24

JL, tis absolutely lovely to hear from you. I would say hold off on the weaning. M went through a massive growth spurt at 19 weeks and needed lots and lots of milk. She is the same now but it is teething. There are far more calories in milk than in any baby rice/puree and I think O is telling you that's what he needs for now. Also bear in mind that the need for solids is not linked to weight but to gut maturation and development:

"Developmental signs that baby is ready for solids

Solids readiness depends on both the maturity of baby?s digestive tract and baby?s developmental readiness for solids. Although the maturity of baby?s digestive system is not something that we can readily observe, research indicates that 6 months appears to be ideal for avoiding the allergies and other health risks of too-early solids. After this point, different babies are ready for solids at different times -- developmental readiness for solids cannot be determined using a calendar. Most babies are developmentally ready for solids somewhere between 6 and 8 months.
Signs that indicate baby is developmentally ready for solids include:

  • Baby can sit up well without support.
  • Baby has lost the tongue-thrust reflex and does not automatically push solids out of his mouth with his tongue.
  • Baby is ready and willing to chew.
  • Baby is developing a ?pincer? grasp, where he picks up food or other objects between thumb and forefinger. Using the fingers and scraping the food into the palm of the hand (palmar grasp) does not substitute for pincer grasp development.
  • Baby is eager to participate in mealtime and may try to grab food and put it in his mouth.

We often state that a sign of solids readiness is when baby exhibits a long-term increased demand to nurse (sometime around 6 months or later) that is unrelated to illness, teething pain, a change in routine or a growth spurt. However, it can be hard to judge whether baby?s increased nursing is related to readiness for solids. Many (if not most) 6-month-old babies are teething, growth spurting and experiencing many developmental changes that can lead to increased nursing ? sometimes all at once! Make sure you look at all the signs of solids readiness as a whole, because increased nursing alone is not likely to be an accurate guide to baby?s readiness."

Hope all else is well. How is your sister now after her recent sad times? I often wonder how she is.

ShowOfHands · 25/10/2007 09:26

Meant to add that weight has nowt do do with readiness for solids. M is over 21lb and still exclusively bf.

Obviously if you're tired and need a break mix feeding might be the way to go for a while or expressing and letting dh get up in the night. M is currently feeding hourly at night but as she's in with us, I just open half an eye, check her latch and go back to sleep!

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 10:52

SOH, Oh I'm sooo excited to have you back as SOH!!
That was a very informative post, not sure I agree entirely with all of the ready signs but then I don't agree with alot of stuff written by professionals that often don't even have children.
I do agree how ever that solids at this point in a baby's development should not make a difference to a baby's sleeping routine. Is that advice you've given there written for BLW? Which as I'm sure you know is a fairly new concept and very different to usual weaning techniques. I suppose it really depends on what route you decide to take.

I'm half heartedly giving Jorja a bit of mush here and there, I remember doing the same thing with Maddie between 5-7mths, she was nearly 7 mths before I started to offer her food everyday. I think it's probably because I know they don't "need" it yet and that introducing it very slowly surely can't be a bad thing? (probably more likely that I'm a lazy lard arse and can't be bothered everyday)

Jorja is having 1 ice cube of something pureed some days and other days nothing! Yesterday I sat her in the high chair with a carrot and some bannana, she was very interested in it but tried to get her mouth to the high chair top rather than picking up the items, was very funny to watch. She didn't actually eat anything, but enjoyed playing with it and it kept her amused for about 40mins.

AM, finger fine now thanks. how's the new techniques going with Jack, Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

LW, how awfull for your neighbour, I can't begin to imagine.

ShowOfHands · 25/10/2007 12:24

MrsJB that info is from Kellymom so specifically aimed at breastfed babies. Wouldn't dream of using blw theory to offer advice as it's such a new fashion in so many ways and I probably won't be truly blw as I intend to use spoons with pride. Kellymom is the only authority I actually have no problem with quoting but always maintain that your own instincts are the first thing to listen to. Without Kellymom I would not be breastfeeding M, it is a fantastic site. Of course some babies are ready before others and I think it's probably most obvious to that baby's mother that solids are necessary but I'm always keen to stress that solids do not have more calories than milk, solids will not help your baby sleep better and weight gain is not an indication of needing more than milk. There my opinion and advice ends.

Anyway, nipped in to share something with you. Found dh singing the Proclaimers to dd this morning with tears in his eyes. Made me tearful too.

Lyrics:

From birth to five, you're learning
From five to ten, you're playing
By the time you're fifteen
You're never wrong
But then you turn around
And it's all gone, your childhood
Now daddy knows what he's saying
You're in my arms and I'm praying
That I'll be given the strength and time
To make yours just as happy as mine
Your childhood
Every morning
Your crying ends my sleep
I kid on I'm angry
But it's not a feeling I can keep
There's no light outside
I don't care 'cos I know it's true
That in our house
The sun shines out of you
You've got your mother's looks
Your're a beautiful little girl
You'll break boys hearts
All over this world
Then one day you'll walk out the door
And I know you'll break mine
You'll break mine
From birth to five, you're learning
From five to ten, you're playing
By the time you're fifteen you're never wrong
But then you turn around and it's all gone
Your childhood
So you're trying to talk
Any day now you'll walk
You'll be running around
Make me act like a clown
'Cos I live and I breathe
For my little girl
Our little girl
The most important thing is this whole wide world
Now daddy know what he's saying
Your in my arms and I'm praying
That I'll be given the strength an time
To make yours just as happy as mine
Your childhood

I adore the Proclaimers.

[guiltysecret]

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 13:27

SOH, thanks for that sweetie, I will have a look at that site, I haven't seen it before and it sounds quite inspiring. lol at usng a spoon with pride, my problem is the mess with out, Euggghhhhhh I hate it, As I said before, I wholeheartedly agree with you though about the calories bit btw Thats always one of my concerns, if when they are taking solids they are still getting enough milk. I really struggled with Maddie once she was on 3 meals a day to keep her milk up, now however she is the other way round and at 2 will not give up her bottle and eats like a bird, but I am happy with her having 3 bottles a day if she's drinking milk.

The words to thats song are beautiful and so true, made me cry thinking of you and J there with M singing it,

I'm going to start a thread in health, but H has a lump just under his belly button, it appeared a few days ago and is long rather than round, it looks red and sore around it, it is definately not a bite. Does's anyone know what it could be?

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 13:32

SOH, I re-read my post before the last one, it sounded a bit brash, I'm sorry if you thought it was, I assure you it wasn't meant to be.

largeginandbloodpunch · 25/10/2007 15:06

Hello lovely ladies

Im back from my marathon drivathon. Knackered and a little cranky and thats just just me never mind B!

Kids all with ex, house eerily quiet. Of course gurgling B is doing his best to make the noise level equal to his 5 siblings.

I took my friend to her appointment and she got her mole removed, results in 3 weeks. I have everything crossed for her.

I have a smear tomorrow, having avoided them since dd was born (7 years ago ) I hate them and am very nervous. Would rather push a baby's head out then go

SOH, is M any better or still being very grumpy? Only a couple of weeks and you will be able to meet B and we can drink earl grey and beach walk. Im looking forward to it

Clever girl little Ella on sitting up! It does help when they do that, you can plop them on the floor when out without worrying about little heads on nasty surfaces.

Sorry to hear about your neighbour LW, good she has you around to offer her support. Sounds like C is being very demanding.

Finally HELLLLLOOOOO SCOOOOOOOOT, so very nice to hear from you. I have been thinking of you. How is the house? Is it palatial compared to your compact and bejou cottage? House party soon????

Sure i have forgotten to mention others, brain still drive frazzled. Will endeavour to keep up.

I love the little hats, excellent job TECH

twelveyeargap · 25/10/2007 16:07

Hello

Julie - I'm sorry for your troubles. I'm afraid I don't have any sage advice. I think you're probably feeling "worse" than if you'd had a straightforward relationship, because you have so many feelings other than grief to deal with. My thoughts are with you and your mum.

SOH - How is M doing today?

I'm seriously de-motivated and quite depressed tbh. I think it's probably hormone changes or something. Need some focus.

Went to see SIL yesterday. She's due her baby in a couple of weeks. She has a 5yo and a 3yo. It's put me right off having another baby soon. Ha. They're lovely boys but very demanding on her time. LG&T, don't know how you cope with so many younguns. She's only just finished work and not been able to do much preparation so, I cooked Tuesday and brought her fish pies, shepherds pies, bolognaise, beef stew, chicken casserole and a cake. She was thrilled, so I felt useful. Didn't finish til after midnight, but I enjoyed being busy. Am miserable today and can't get off my arse to do anything. I need some sort of schedule. I definitely should not start a business. It would go under due to lack of work by the management.

How come the sad smiley doesn't have a hat? Is the sad smiley sad because it doesn't have a hat?

AbbyLou · 25/10/2007 16:38

TYG what a lovely sil you are. What a nice, thoughtful thing to do. No wonder you're knacekered, all that cooking. Takes me all my time just to cook one meal for us every night.
Dh has taken both kids to the supermarket so I can get some planning done as I have loads to do before school starts back on Monday. I feel a bit guilty being on here as it was so nice of him to offer so I won't be long.
Just need a bit of advice re Ruby's cough really. She is ok in herself but seems a bit more off-colour today that yesterday. She is not taking her milk brilliantly but I think she may have a sore throat. She has slept a lot today which I am taking as a good thing. My worry is that it might be turning into croup but I don't know enough about it. She sounds very hoarse when she cries and her cough is like a barking seal. Does that sound like croup? I'm torn as to whether to take her to the drs, don't want to waste their time but would never forgive myself if I missed something. Any advice? It doesn't seem to get any worse at night which was steering me away from the croup thing but I'm not sure.

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 16:49

lg&t, glad you made the trip safe and sound. I bet it's quiet at home, you won't know what to do with yourself, have you got to make the trip back to collect them?

TYG, You are so lovely, cooking all those meals for your SIL, My sister also has a baby due in 3 weeks, I'm so excited for her, she's 41 and he is her first and very much wanted and waited for. At times like this I wish I was closer to be of more use to her.

Abby, I don't know very much about croup, it's not something any of mine have ever had. I'm sure SOH knows the in's and out's though. She had a tough time with M a few weeks ago with it. Love to you though. xx

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 16:50

where are you finding the hats?

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 17:05

Feel like I'm talking to myself here. I'm very good at it though, lol

Have you all seen the MN holoween name change competition, it's under the competition topic.

AbbyLou · 25/10/2007 17:07

Mrs JB I don't get the hat thing either..Thought I was being really thick, glad it's not just me. Talking to yourself is often the best way, at least there are no arguments!

anneme · 25/10/2007 18:34

S had croup - sounded like a barking seal - however it can sound worse than it is. The thing to look out for is if they are struggling to breathe - ie if you can hear them breathing (iyswim) when they are at rest. Also have a look at her chest - if she is pulling in a lot (it is quite obvious) causing a sort of hollow below the rib cage then that is probably croup and worth following up. In the meantime boiling kettles in the bed room helps a lot. Having said all htat S is still barking but seems ok otherwise. Must go - DH has both kids in the bath and I am meant to be helping!

anneme · 25/10/2007 18:35

oh - and you can give calpol to help sooth cough

AbbyLou · 25/10/2007 19:09

Thanks Anneme. She doesn't seem to be struggling to breathe at the moment. She had a bath with very little coughing, perhaps because I let the bathroom get really steamy. She's managed a full bottle but had to keep stopping to cough. In between the coughs it sounds as though she is really gasping but as I said, she doesn't seem to be struggling. She's gone down to sleep no bother but I'll be checking her like a mad woman tonight.

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 19:20

Wooo Hooo I've found them, if you are on a PC, Nt a mac try pushing F5. Haloween emotions should appear.

TYG, the is not because he has no hat on but because he feels he may be inapropriate to wear a hat, apparently.

Juicylucytoo · 25/10/2007 19:21

Thanks SOH. I think I am sticking with bm as long as I can. All the MNers have said so and O did go 2 and a half hours between most feeds last night, so maybe the worst is over??

Thanks for asking about my sis. She is O's Godmother and we had the chistening last week. I think he really is a source of joy in her pain IYSWIM. Sept was a sad month for us all, but she is bearing up well.

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 19:23

oh, and I forgot, SOH, I had a look at the kellymom site, geee I wish I'd known about it whilst I was feeding Maddie, it seems quite sensible and not too finger wagging. Would have helped me back then.

Juicylucytoo · 25/10/2007 20:11

Mrs JB - have discovered something I want from France - at last!! Will email you xx

Hubblebubbletoilandjaffacakes · 25/10/2007 20:58

Ohhh it's all changed, how scary!!!

ShowOfHands · 25/10/2007 21:13

Glad to hear your sis is getting some comfort and joy from O JL. Won't help her in the slightest as I'm a complete stranger but I do think about you and her and hope she's finding each day a little easier. I miss having you on our thread. [hatlesssademoticon]

MrsJB don't worry about thinking you were being brash. You will always be that sweet lady whatever you post (in character and candy-giving terms). I'm always reluctant to offer advice about anything baby-related being qualified in precisely no way at all but I've read enough about gut maturation and weaning to earn a PhD. In fact maybe I'll do a PhD on that instead of the psychoanalytic representation of the child in the modern gothic novel (what I actually have funding for). Anyway, I digress...

AbbyLou- croup. Bloody farking croup. It's usually nothing at all to worry about and as it is viral you can't cure it, only treat the symptoms. The barky, seal-like cough you describe is called stridor and is the main symptom of croup, along with the hoarse voice when crying. The stridor should only last a couple of days. Unfortunately, croup is only part of a virus so that may disappear but you may still find that Ruby has the main virus for a while afterwards. If she has a coughing attack there are two ways to help. Firstly, steam as you already know is fantastic so in the bathroom with as many hot taps on as possible. More effective in our case was cold air. Wrap Ruby up warmly and take her outside. Many babies who seem to have very bad croup attacks at night are fine on reaching the hospital with worried parents and it's down to the cold air. Tis a bugger but the attacks are usually at night too as the baby is laying down. Raise the head of the bed or cot a wee bit to help her breathe. You can also try putting a wet towel over a radiator in the room she is asleep in or putting a tiny bit of decongestant on a rag near her bed (not too near though)- or a couple of drops in a bowl of water in her room. Croup usually isn't serious (it is infectious though and is laryngitis in adults so if you get it like I did you may well lose your voice completely). The main problem we seemed to have was how sore her throat was which made her reluctant to feed. The best remedy for this I found was dreamfeeding as she didn't notice the pain. Trying to feed her when awake was a nightmare. You can also try cooling her milk down, offering cooled water or cold watery fruit and veg (cucumber/melon) to keep her hydration up and soothe her throat. I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine, it's just one of those things and their throats are so tiny that the inflammation just makes it so much harder for them to breathe. Look out for any difficult breathing. If she struggles and starts to 'suck' in breath instead of breathing naturally (underneath her ribs might pull in or her throat might pull in instead), she is breathing fast, she refuses to make eye contact or doesn't seem to 'know' you then you must get her checked out. It is extremely unlikely that she will suffer this badly from it though. M was in a small minority of babies who needed help and some nebulisers and steroids were all that were needed to get her over it. Lots of cuddles and love. It is extremely common and should be over before you can say 'is there a seal in the room?'.

TYG was going to say you sound like a lovely sil but that's a given, you're just plain lovely anyway. Special magic Irish lady we call you in our house.

LG&T/SuperMum, try to enjoy the peace. I know you won't, you'll miss the noisebag brood like mad but I bet those quiet moments with B will be absolutely lovely. Will let you know exactly what day we will be descending upon your good person. DH's work being buggers about some corporate summat and he has to be there or the world will implode and sod the first day of our holiday.

M still a grumpy beggar but very good today. Took her Xmas shopping and she grinned at all of Norfolk, charmed a sheep out of a field and stole some cucumber and devoured it. Christmas shopping nearly finished now. M was ratty and sore by 7pm and resorted to Medised to help settle her. She was clawing at her cheek and gums and screaming and after the blessed drugs was asleep within 10 minutes. Still feel like a crap mother drugging her though. Teething gels don't work, she eats them and powders calm her but don't stop the pain. Calpol not too effective. Oh when will it end?

Started a treasure basket today for M after realising that none of her toys were as interesting as a crocodile clip, an envelope and a chamois. As a floaty, hippy type the idea of heuristic play is very appealing anyway so we have a basket with such delights as a rubber duck, emery board, pumice, egg timer, measuring cups, wash mits, curtain rings etc etc. Or in other words- Bits Of Crap Out Of The Kitchen Drawer. M loves it. I fully recommend. Going for a seasonal effect too. Added a pine cone, red ribbon and some conkers. Going to make a Christmas stocking for M tomorrow with Other Bits Of Crap From The Material Drawer.

Prat in town today said my precious baby wasn't 'late for dinner, was she, har de farkin ha'. I clawed his eyes out with my bare hands. Was I wrong?

ShowOfHands · 25/10/2007 21:14

Glad to hear your sis is getting some comfort and joy from O JL. Won't help her in the slightest as I'm a complete stranger but I do think about you and her and hope she's finding each day a little easier. I miss having you on our thread. [hatlesssademoticon]

MrsJB don't worry about thinking you were being brash. You will always be that sweet lady whatever you post (in character and candy-giving terms). I'm always reluctant to offer advice about anything baby-related being qualified in precisely no way at all but I've read enough about gut maturation and weaning to earn a PhD. In fact maybe I'll do a PhD on that instead of the psychoanalytic representation of the child in the modern gothic novel (what I actually have funding for). Anyway, I digress...

AbbyLou- croup. Bloody farking croup. It's usually nothing at all to worry about and as it is viral you can't cure it, only treat the symptoms. The barky, seal-like cough you describe is called stridor and is the main symptom of croup, along with the hoarse voice when crying. The stridor should only last a couple of days. Unfortunately, croup is only part of a virus so that may disappear but you may still find that Ruby has the main virus for a while afterwards. If she has a coughing attack there are two ways to help. Firstly, steam as you already know is fantastic so in the bathroom with as many hot taps on as possible. More effective in our case was cold air. Wrap Ruby up warmly and take her outside. Many babies who seem to have very bad croup attacks at night are fine on reaching the hospital with worried parents and it's down to the cold air. Tis a bugger but the attacks are usually at night too as the baby is laying down. Raise the head of the bed or cot a wee bit to help her breathe. You can also try putting a wet towel over a radiator in the room she is asleep in or putting a tiny bit of decongestant on a rag near her bed (not too near though)- or a couple of drops in a bowl of water in her room. Croup usually isn't serious (it is infectious though and is laryngitis in adults so if you get it like I did you may well lose your voice completely). The main problem we seemed to have was how sore her throat was which made her reluctant to feed. The best remedy for this I found was dreamfeeding as she didn't notice the pain. Trying to feed her when awake was a nightmare. You can also try cooling her milk down, offering cooled water or cold watery fruit and veg (cucumber/melon) to keep her hydration up and soothe her throat. I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine, it's just one of those things and their throats are so tiny that the inflammation just makes it so much harder for them to breathe. Look out for any difficult breathing. If she struggles and starts to 'suck' in breath instead of breathing naturally (underneath her ribs might pull in or her throat might pull in instead), she is breathing fast, she refuses to make eye contact or doesn't seem to 'know' you then you must get her checked out. It is extremely unlikely that she will suffer this badly from it though. M was in a small minority of babies who needed help and some nebulisers and steroids were all that were needed to get her over it. Lots of cuddles and love. It is extremely common and should be over before you can say 'is there a seal in the room?'.

TYG was going to say you sound like a lovely sil but that's a given, you're just plain lovely anyway. Special magic Irish lady we call you in our house.

LG&T/SuperMum, try to enjoy the peace. I know you won't, you'll miss the noisebag brood like mad but I bet those quiet moments with B will be absolutely lovely. Will let you know exactly what day we will be descending upon your good person. DH's work being buggers about some corporate summat and he has to be there or the world will implode and sod the first day of our holiday.

M still a grumpy beggar but very good today. Took her Xmas shopping and she grinned at all of Norfolk, charmed a sheep out of a field and stole some cucumber and devoured it. Christmas shopping nearly finished now. M was ratty and sore by 7pm and resorted to Medised to help settle her. She was clawing at her cheek and gums and screaming and after the blessed drugs was asleep within 10 minutes. Still feel like a crap mother drugging her though. Teething gels don't work, she eats them and powders calm her but don't stop the pain. Calpol not too effective. Oh when will it end?

Started a treasure basket today for M after realising that none of her toys were as interesting as a crocodile clip, an envelope and a chamois. As a floaty, hippy type the idea of heuristic play is very appealing anyway so we have a basket with such delights as a rubber duck, emery board, pumice, egg timer, measuring cups, wash mits, curtain rings etc etc. Or in other words- Bits Of Crap Out Of The Kitchen Drawer. M loves it. I fully recommend. Going for a seasonal effect too. Added a pine cone, red ribbon and some conkers. Going to make a Christmas stocking for M tomorrow with Other Bits Of Crap From The Material Drawer.

Prat in town today said my precious baby wasn't 'late for dinner, was she, har de farkin ha'. I clawed his eyes out with my bare hands. Was I wrong?