April 2007 - Every thread of wit has been extrapulated from me i'm afraid... I have a newborn baby!

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OCTO

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Thank you

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Morning all.

Oogs, glad the dt's went off eventually and hope you got some rest.

Hope everyone is doing ok with exploding boobs, trush etc.

Pmsl at the sat nav children. B is the same - complaining if I go a certain way and shouting at cars that push in front of us!! She did have an aversion to the oorway for a while as well, and all hell would break loose if we went on one - no idea why!

All ok here. Dh settled K again as she was doing the usual screaming in pain. He gave her a dummy which I know a couple of you had suggested. She woke up at 3.30 for a bottle and the I woke her at 8.30 for another! So, a good night, although I am shattered. I find myself listening out for her in the night, so was awake on and off from about 1.00 a.m which is sooooo annoying.

Nurse due shortly and am going to really press and see if I can at least try the infant gaviscon as I am getting really stressed about the whole thing. I can't think it is anything else having read the symptoms. I feel like my shoulders are constantly up around my ears!

Right had better get on.

Sorry for the self indulgent post. Hope everyone is ok. x

Thanks octo - might do the same as it only seems to happen on a night - maybe after the long afternoon sleep so I've filled up with milk!
Yes, I've tried variations of the boob bib as well, will try that one. Wherever I seem to place the muslin, he manages to dribble / they squirt in a different direction
Maybe I should feed him in a wetsuit in the shower

SOKL, sorry I haven't kept up, do you think K has reflux? Hope you manage to get it sorted xx

LOl Katy about wetsuit in shower - sounds good!

SOSKL - hope you get some answers from the nurse. I know what you mean about shoulders round your ears - I have come to the conclusion with Orla and the crying that it's not so much that she cries (they all do that), but how it makes me feel - sick, stressed, tense, snappy etc. I think as mothers we are programmed to feel that way (it doesn't effect DH in the same way) and to think we need to 'solve' the crying. My shoulders are currently burrowing into my scalp . . . !

EM - how's your hip today?

Breastfeeders - are any of you giving occasional bottles? We are trying to do 1 a week, and I find it really stresses me out - have to find time to express, time to sterilise the stuff, and then give it to her which can be tricky. Can't decide whether to just leave it, but don't know what would happen if I just present her with a bottle at 4 months and expect her to get on with it so maybe should persevere? On Sunday she refused the bottle for about 20 mins, then finally seemed to get the hang of it and necked 2.5 oz in what felt like about 30 secs, then needed a top-up from me, then seemed to have tummy ache - cue me feeling stressed out and wondering why I'd bothered in the first place. Would be interested to know what anyone else is doing. If you're planning on bottlefeeding or mixed feeding later, are you introducing bottles now? Or am I just being a neurotic stressed-out moo?!

Morning all. Hope everyone has had a reasonable night.

Oooggs, really hope you managed to get some rest overnight. I know the feeling of being so tired it makes me cry sometimes, but you cant go to bed because there are still things to do (and I only have one baby to sort). Hope things are better today.

Bramshott, I have been thinking about starting a bedtime routine too but havent got that far yet. Dd seems to have good and bad evenings. Sometimes very settled and other times will scream her head off. Very screamy yesterday evening due to wind but I do wonder if it is also due to tiredness as she had barely slept for an hour all day (not for the want of me trying)!

Pinions, hope you are doing ok today. It is so horrible when bf becomes a struggle, know where you are coming from.

Octo, I also use the muslin bib technique!! I seem to have a really fast let down but only on the one side. Poor dd gets showered in the face if she pulls away, but it comes out so fast in three jets that she cant manage it. Poor little thing ends up coughing and spluttering so I pull up the muslin to act like a shield!

EM, hope your hip is better today and that you had a good day yesterday.

I did get my miracle blanket in mothercare. They didnt have it in my local small store but had them in the bigger Cardiff store so I went there. It was £14.99. It has worked like a charm for dd who is sleeping consistently well since we started using it. She will go from around 10pm til 3am, then til between 5 and 6am although today it was nearly 7am before she woke again!

LOL @ wetsuit in the shower!!

Hi Bramshott, x posted with you. I have given dd only a couple of bottles but have not expressed, just used formula. My mum had her on Saturday morning for me to go with ds to his party. I left her a bottle of formula and she just took it (3.5oz) with no bother whatsoever. There is no pattern to it though. I do feel that my supply is not very good in the evenings and so have made a bottle up but then tend not to need it. Maybe I have more milk than I think I do. I plan to gradually introduce more bottles and wean her off the breast but not sure when I plan to do that as the BF seems to be ok just now. I too have the shoulders under the jaw syndrome! Dd has a bit of a cold at the mo. Is sniffly and has a cough and has done a bit of mucousy sick a few times. I am a childrens nurse and would tell anyone else not to worry as it will just clear up on its own. Because its me and my baby though I turn into a paranoid wreck despite my rational mind trying to win over.

Bramshott - I've been giving P a bottle of EBM, about 1 in every 24 hrs (recommended til their a month-ish - to get BF properly established etc etc) She glugs it down; but still love boobie too - A real change from DD2 who basically didn't eat for the 1st year of her life!!

Morning All,

Finally have a few minutes (seconds) to log on. I hope those that are suffering with pain & thrush are feeling better.

As for those with babies with irregular sleeping patterns at night - I am with you in that boat. S can go anything between 2 hours and 4 with no rhyme or reason behind it - my problem is like yours Sexonkl - I find myself only 1/2 sleeping waiting for her to wake up - so annoying!

Bramshott - I am BF and not expressing. One because I am pants at it - and two because I am OK feeding her all the time and not too good dealing with the faff of bottles. Having said that I did express with my DS when I went back to work part time and he took a bottle no problem at 4 months as did my DD at 8 months. So I am just expecting this one to do the same

Ooogs - I hope you had a better night and are coping OK today - really feel for you when I am only trying to soothe one baby to sleep.

Well I had to go to a meeting yesterday for work and so took the baby with me and DP (we work together). The clients know us well thank goodness as I had to BF during the meeting! Was quite chuffed I pulled it off as she can be a bit of a PITA latching on - constantly pulls off during a feed. I guess you just have to do what you have to do sometimes

A question for real nappie users - please tell me it gets easier as the baby gets bigger? I am using sized ones and they are still massive - down to her knees and I seem to have leakage nearly always within the hour. As they fit them better does it stay more contained?

Also sling question.... I have a hugabub which I love but how are you to put it on when you are out and it is raining? All the materials drags on the ground... I have only used it straight from the house but would like to drive somewhere and use it? Or am I just been dim?

OK finally got baby to sleep - have a list as long as my arm to tackle - need to remove my self from mumsnet!

Thanks guys - it's interesting to hear what others are doing. I still feel really confused about what's best - what I would really like it just to forget about bottles for now, and then when I'm ready, just start introducing bottles of formula to replace feeds so we are only doing morning and eve, but we had such a nightmare ever getting DD1 to take a bottle that I am dreading that happening again. I guess it would also be quite nice to be able to leave her every once in a while. God, I'm going round in circles - it's just that I find the whole bottle-giving process so stressful, worry it messes up her latch, worry it messes up my supply, worry it will give her wind etc etc.

CD - when on earth do you find the time to express for 1 bottle every day?!

Hello zazas!! Great to "see" you hon - glady ou are getting ok - and yey to you for BF in the meeting!! RE: Hugabub - I would put it on before you go out if it is crappy weather - That way you can just pop bubs into it once you get to wherever you are going ....and yes, cloth nappying get a lot easier once they are bigger & "fit" into the nappies better - persevere, it is worth it!!

I have a massive milk supply, Bramshott, so only takes me 20 mins to express a feed in the morning (do it 1st thing, with P hanging off the side I'm not expressing from! )

Hi CD! You are right I could just put the thing on from the start and wear it driving! Didn't think of that! I am pretty crap at putting it on for some reason - seem to miss putting one of the baby legs through now and then Was easier practising on DD baby dolls!

By the way CD - I am knackered just reading what you have on each day Please tell me you have moments when all you want to do is just chill out on the sofa??!!!

Will perserve with the nappies - trying a few sorts out at the moment but can't really see anyone being better than the other yet! The fleece one is pretty good though and a snug fit but have some tots bamboozels (sp?) coming today I hope!

Bramshott - don't let it stress you out at these early days - just enjoying feeding your baby. Then as you get more comfortable with everything decide what you want to do as I said mine took bottles no problem down the line.

I am sure I said I need to stay off here and do my 'jobs'!!!!

Yes, I do try & chill out in the evenings, once sprogletts are safely installed in the Land of Nod. I like keeping busy ..... Keep me sane (ish)!!

Can recommend Easy Peasy nappies for newborns if you are having probs getting a "snug" enough fit ......

Morning!

Tired today. G slept better but like SOKL and Zazas I was half listening for him to wake up at the usual times.

He's screamy this morning with wind, we seem to have one big session per day of him being like this. Thankfully it's usually daytime not 3am!

Stuck inside today until the police come round. Some little shits used our windows as stone-throwing target practice last night. The outer panes(they're double glazed) of two of our living room windows are now smashed. Got an awful fright as I was feeding George in chair by window when it happened. i thought they'd just give us a crime number for insurance when we phoned it in, but they're coming round.

ZAZAS - YOU BFed at a meeting - I bfed the other day doing the Okey Cokey at Mother & Toddler!! How cool am I? But DS1 wanted me to do the Okey Cokey, so what could I do? Altogether now:
You put your right boob in...

Hope everyone is okay, especially Pesha.

Re dummies - I notice someone said they used one and then put 'cringe' - I say be BOLD in your choices! Not saying everyone should rush to like or use dummies but if you do (as I do, and with DS1 it made all the difference - less so this time so far), then be out and proud I think that anyone making horrible bigoted judgements about these kinds of things (dummies ffs! Hardly a war crime!) is plain weird. Sure, choose not to do something yourself, but why stress about others' choices? We don't do that on this lovely thread but we are clearly affected by those who do. Pinions, I hope you see this. Don't beat yourself up over your bf choices! Although I'm a bit of a touchy-feely bfing vege type, I would never think my way is the only way. In fact, I can think of only one issue that I believe to be absolutely wrong (outside of the obvious cruelty/abuse stuff of course). And even then, I'd be careful how I phrased my objection. So let's not allow others to bully us with their choices!
[Bugmum climbs off soap box]

Oh blimey, must be hormones

Still struggling here with DS1's reactions to Gabe's crying. I know I could cope with two if I didn't have this to contend with (not saying cope well, but I'd cope), but this just makes some parts of the day hardly tolerable Oh well. Maybe time will do a lot? I mean, they won't still be like this at 18, I assume...?

Must dash. Excuse mega-post, am feeling a touch hyper today
xx

Great post Bugmum! Abso"bloody" lutely!! Be Bold!!* ladies! Nice one!

You BF while doing the Okey Cokey!!!!? I gaze at you in awe & wonderment - Wow - You are v.cool indeed! I BF round the Zoo yesterday ... not as impressive ...... Loving the shortening "Gabe" btw ..... very sweet ....

He Lesley sweetie!

Currently expressing feed with pump balanced on my lap ......

Hello CD

Agree with Bugmum about being bold. No one on here judges, we're all in the same boat and understand how hard life with new babies and older dcs can be. Your health, sanity and safety and that of your children should be your priority.

Been lurking in active convos but am finding the tone of a lot them annoying. Tired and irritable I think.

LOL @ BF okey cokey!Respect! Sounds potentially painful though.

Hello again

zazas - re nappies - they do grow into them pretty quickly and then out of them before you know it and you're onto the next size! I have some tiny nappies (well they're not tiny - ernie just grown out of them - happy to send you one to try). He is also about to grow out of his small rikki wraps - can't decide whether to sell them or keep them

I'm with the others on being bold - if you don;t say how you feel - half of us would be sitting here worrying about stuff and too anxious to post on other threads and all the time others feel the same if you see what I mean!

CD - does you shop sell easypeasy nappies? If so - do you have any bumpers in stock?

Hello to everyone else

Octo - might take you up on the offer - will get back later as I have to go and feed baby and send a work email and visit friend with new baby and pick kids up from school and take one to birthday party / one to judo and then to swimming / cook dinner for 7 of us / feed / change nappies / chase payment from clients who is overdue by 3 months oh and eat something if I want milk in boobs to stay! Phew and get off Mumsnet so I can do all of this! See you later

Hi gang. Zaza's good to see you, you busy woman!

Lesley, really peed off for you re the broken windows. What a frightening experience for you.

Bramshott, glad I am not alone in the shoulders round ears. I need a massage!
Also, glad it isn't just me who isn't managing to bath them at the same time. I have to keep reminding myself tho that K is only 3 1/2 weeks.

Saw the nurse who was quite a sweetie, but not much use really. Although saying that she did just phone up to confirm that the symptoms Katie has do suggest mild reflux. Also suggested another type of formula - Omnio Comfort I think, so am going to investigate it. The good news is K is now 8 pounds 3 oz's which is fab news, as she still seems so little. Have a GP appt later on today and am going to beg for Gaviscon as I can't bear the cying in pain noise - it is definitely different from the crying in hunger noise.

Anyway, just grabbing some lunch whilst quiet.

Again, apologies for not mentioning everyone, but am thinking of you all. xx

zazas - email me on vicki finn at tiscali dot co dot uk

Morning everyone.. just a quick one, dh about to get home for lunch and N is finally sleeping after a restless morning so should try and get the laundry hung up or there´ll be no clean nappies.

I´ve not tried expressing yet but might give it a whirl tomorrow morning, especially with this thrush I´ve got it might be nice to have a bottle ready made to give him for when I just don´t feel I can do it. Can I just ask though.. when you go to give the bottle at whatever feed then surely your boobs will get confused because they´ll be expecting to be emptied and then won´t be?? Will it affect my supply?

Nappies.. Zazas, what nappies are you using? I´ve not had a single leak with ours and we´re using a whole range.. what wraps are you using? The bamboozles are really nice and so far seem to stay softer than wambamboos BUT they are a bit bulkier, I would say wbbs are probably what I will end up buying more of. If she´s a teeny little thing then easy peasy QD nappies are really small but I can´t see them lasting as long as they are supposed to, size wise.

Dummies... We´re using one and I defy anyone to criticize!!! I do hate the things but they help settle N so much and obviously comfort him so for me it´s a no-brainer. Besides, loads of people who say they are against them use their fingers or their boobs to do the same job so it´s just a personal choice really.

That´s as far as I´ve got, back to see if I can catch up any more!!

Bugmum, I have to ask, what is the issue you feel strongly about?
Dummies - I haven't used one yet and the reason is pure laziness cos I can't be bothered with all the sterilising, and don't find I have the time. But I want to start expressing, so if I'm going to have to sterilise anyway, I'll probably have a couple of dummies handy - I use my finger, and as maveta says, how is that different?
I also would like to know the best way to handle the express / confused boobs thing. I seem to have plenty of milk,. DH is dying to feed him and I'd like to do ... anything... knowing that I won't have to drop it and feed him any second. Even cleaning the toilet seems incredibly liberating.
Can't remember who said about the crying (SOKL??) but you're so right, when T cries DH takes it in his stride, comforts him but doesn't get stressed if he doesn't stop, whereas I get really upset and would do anything to make him stop!
Well, he's happily kicking and squeaking in his basket at the moment, how long will this last?