April 2007 ...... as the last stragglers trudge wearily over .......

[CaptainDippy]

That ok!!?

Glad all is better in your household SOKL!

Just got back from church, DD2 sleeping in cot, DD3 sleeping in hallway in car seat and DH out with DD1 who will soon be asleep in her pram in the living room ..... ..... THREE sleeping girls ..... We managed it!

Nutty - I left some info on your coccyx pain on the last thread .....

From Octo on Sun 06-May-07 12.20

Congrats to elkidee and CD Welcome to the sleep deprivation thread!

My coxxyx (sp) is sore too - will take some painkillers - have some diclofenac left.

Ernie woke up just once again last night - at about 4 am - but then was difficult to settle again - thinking maybe he is super hungry and could do both boobs - as waking up in morning with very engorged boobs! Would be an idea to express then but if he is super hungry then aswell will want lots

Pinions - thanks for the fat face link! When I left hosp they gave me a booklet about bf and it had a whole section on thrush and mastitis etc - really helpful. I Think the thing which really does throw lots of mums is reflux - sounds terrible - much worse than colic.

Oooggs - hope things are well with the twins.

Mammyjo - I have made sure that I am eating lots more to keep up my supply - ernie is a milk monster and needs the extra calories. I am also drinking about 15 glasses of water a day and night - and have a snack when I feed in the night!

Hope this isn't too contentious - wouldn't dream of mentioning it off here - but when my health visitor came round the other day and we talked about breastfeeding and how big he was/how much he fed - we agreed it was unlikely he'd get to six months without being weaned - ds1 was weaned at 4 months (that was recommendation then) ds2 was just 13 weeks - but he was huge and starving - so am thinking about doing it in September rather than waiting til November. She said that very few big exclusive bf babies get to six months unless you are happy to feed every half hour. I do agree with her as know how starving the other two were - and ds2 was on hungry baby milk from 2 weeks old. I know its a bit early to be thinking about it! But more thinking about how long I want to bf for and how to combine giving up bf for ff and weaning at same time - I'm thinking it would be better not to do them at the same time.

Octo off to bury head in sand just in case someone gets overexcited

bugger - just wrote huge post on last thread! Here we go .... managed to copy!

Congrats to elkidee and CD Welcome to the sleep deprivation thread!

My coxxyx (sp) is sore too - will take some painkillers - have some diclofenac left.

Ernie woke up just once again last night - at about 4 am - but then was difficult to settle again - thinking maybe he is super hungry and could do both boobs - as waking up in morning with very engorged boobs! Would be an idea to express then but if he is super hungry then aswell will want lots

Pinions - thanks for the fat face link! When I left hosp they gave me a booklet about bf and it had a whole section on thrush and mastitis etc - really helpful. I Think the thing which really does throw lots of mums is reflux - sounds terrible - much worse than colic.

Oooggs - hope things are well with the twins.

Mammyjo - I have made sure that I am eating lots more to keep up my supply - ernie is a milk monster and needs the extra calories. I am also drinking about 15 glasses of water a day and night - and have a snack when I feed in the night!

Hope this isn't too contentious - wouldn't dream of mentioning it off here - but when my health visitor came round the other day and we talked about breastfeeding and how big he was/how much he fed - we agreed it was unlikely he'd get to six months without being weaned - ds1 was weaned at 4 months (that was recommendation then) ds2 was just 13 weeks - but he was huge and starving - so am thinking about doing it in September rather than waiting til November. She said that very few big exclusive bf babies get to six months unless you are happy to feed every half hour. I do agree with her as know how starving the other two were - and ds2 was on hungry baby milk from 2 weeks old. I know its a bit early to be thinking about it! But more thinking about how long I want to bf for and how to combine giving up bf for ff and weaning at same time - I'm thinking it would be better not to do them at the same time.

Octo off to bury head in sand just in case someone gets overexcited

Hi Octo - Hope you don't mind me moving your message to the new thread!!

It is great to finally be here!!

LOL!!

bugger again - CD much more on the ball!

hello cd

dh upstairs settling ernie - boys outside in road playing with tanks! I'm sat here in pjs playing on mn! But having nice relaxing day

Feel the need to do something productive but can't be arsed

Afternoon! Getting more and more on the ball with catching up, sorry to all of those suffering with thrush/ colic etc - kind of scary knowing there are all these horrible things we might have to go through as Noah is doing pretty well so far..

I think he has a tongue tie though, was reading Eca´s thread and had heard about it but not thought anymore about it until my little sis came over and pointed it out, turns out her bf has it, I would never have noticed . It does explain why latching on can be an ordeal, I thought it was purely inexperience etc (which it probably is aswell) but he tries so hard, is very keen, opens his mouth wide and tries and tries, my milk is pretty free flowing etc etc but sometimes it´s so difficult. Once he´s on it´s fine. It´s sore but never having done this I don´t know if it´s normal sore or not. My nips haven´t actually bled yet which I guess is a good sign although they´ve looked like they were coming close a couple of times. Going through my lansinoh tube like chocolate!

Anyway, we´ve got to get him weighed next week so I´ll ask the doc to take a look then, I don´t know what the policy is here, to snip or not, but if not maybe at least they can give us some advice on how to deal with it.

Not had the baby blues yet but the bf-ing has given me a couple of tears, like at 6am this morning when it took 30mins to latch him on !! He only takes 10mins to feed! [[[sigh]]]

Will be back to catch up later xx

Hi All
Eddas..sorry to take so long to reply.Just got on here today.I would recommend the Aptamil extra..but even so Milo is still feeding quite randomly[nights are awful..and he won't sleep in his cot]however i think it would be worse with the normal aptamil!,Last night i let him cry[for which i feel guilty about]but i was just toooo knackered to hike myselk up the bed..and he fell asleep.I don't think he was hysterical but i really don't know what to do about it.Any advice gratefully receivedCONGRATULATIONS to all who have had babies!
Hope all is well.I stopped taking iron a few days ago and now have shortness of breath.Dp pointed it out to me so have started it again.Here's to constipation..hurrah

Hi all

Sorry I haven't been on here much recently. Have had a really crap week. Think my baby blues decided to revisit Even got to a point where I told ds2 to stop crying, and shouted at ds1 for wanting a cuddle

The night feeds have really been getting me down, esp when dh will give ds2 3oz ff, but then wake up an hour later for a bf. Even considered giving up bf. But I love it too much to really go through with it. Why do things aways seem worse at night

Anyway, I spoke to mw, who was really understanding, and very reassuring, and now I feel like I can see the light at then end of the tunnel. Have also started to express so dh can do more feeds at the weekend, but I'm doing by hand because I don't seem to get on with the pump!

Might see if I can catch up on the other thread. Don't hold out much hope though Thank god for ellies emails

Btw congratulations to all the new arrivals

xx

Maveta - don't really know much about tongue tie - but eca/birdie will be along soon - hope your midiwfe can help you out.

Dooby - I might have missed something - but is it that he wants feeding so much at night? I have found that ernie just wants to suck anything after a feed - so at the moment he sucks our fingers but really needs to be his own or a dummy! Work in progress LOL! He does look like he is rooting but isn;t hungry iyswim

Runny - I'm sure we all have crap days when we shout at the dcs - don't be too hard on yourself - mine have been terrible today and ernie has wanted cuddling all day ... at the moment I am just happy he sleeps at night and just try to cope with them all during the day. Try and get some time to yourself - even if just nice bubble bath and glass of wine

Thanks dooby, i've bought a couple of ready made cartons of aptamil extra to try and might try giving a few normal bottles and some of the extra on the evening feeds. Can't really hlep with the settling but I use a dummy with ds and did with dd too as they seem to just want to suck. They both seem to find it comforting, although dd hasn't had hers since about september!!

Runny, just want to second what octo said and i too find i'm shouting at dd for no apparant reason. I'm sure with me it's just tiredness I truely am a shitty tired person Always have been according to my dad

Sorry, can't remember anything else and dd is 'creating trouble' in the front room and ds is starting to whinge so better be off to see what's ocurring

CD - thanks for the link...it sounds just like the pain I've got. Will have to make do with paracetamol at the mo tho cos anything else upsets my stomach (can anything else go wrong with my body - my mum says I should donate it to medical research). I'll try and find something to sit on tomorrow.

Dooby - Are you using Spatone? My doc prescribed iron tablets and I've suffered terribly with constipation (and dihorrea from the laxitives) and the other day gave up on them all and got a box of Spatone from Boots instead. I haven't gone back to feeling anaemic and I have no constipation (my poo isn't black anymore either). It doesn't taste bad either...I add it to a bit of squash.

I've done nothing today. Am really tired. Some stupid woman rang at 5am demanding to know who I am and accusing me of making crank calls to her (think she must have 1471'd it and wrote the number down wrong or misdialed). I was so and told her I hadn't made any calls and I was asleep with my newborn baby in the cot. She then had the cheek to ask if my mum lived with me...don't know whether she thought i was making it all up or that I might be living with a senile woman ringing people, so I shouted at her and hung up. DH is gonna ring bt and get her number blocked in case she rings us everytime she gets a crank call.

Have decided to try Erin on Aptimil once this tin of formula is finished.

Octo - I'm gonna try to wait til 6 months to wean but am not too fussed if she seems to want weaned before then. I take all the 'official advice' with a pinch of salt!!! Have to laugh at my mum, everytime I tell her the advice is wait til 6 months she says "That baby will never last til 6 months on formula only" and then goes on to tell me (yet again!) the story of how my gran put baby rice in my bottle from about 2 weeks old and that when the HV told her she could start weaning me I'd already been on solids for 2 months!!!

My sentence about Aptimil looks a bit random...I think I was going to say something else but I've forgotten

hi all.

well, my prediction of a rough night in here was spot on! Poor T's been up most of it struggling to feed and I've been sobbing over him in pain from my nipples. Dh was a love and eventually took T downstairs for a while so I could sleep. Thankfully by mid morning the creams were starting to work and he's been loads better today.

Thanks for the reply Pinions. That really helped. It's a nightmare isn't? And, forgot to say, thanks for mentioning it earlier on the thread too, it was good to be reminded of what to be looking out for and I think I spotted it earlier rather than later because of it. The bf helpline I rung yesterday (can't remember which, dialed about 4 to get through, thank goodness they're there!) recommended getting Daktarin regular cream (rather than the oral one) for my nipples, They said it had to be wiped/washed off before feeding though. Have been slapping in on after each feed. Thank God my nipples have been less painful today and feeding not such a nightmare. T has stopped throwing his head back so much, so I'm thinking the pains getting less for him too. What with this and the tongue tie I am SO looking forward to experiencing bf that isn't painful!

WCL sorry to hear you've been poorly. Hope that you're feeing better soon. The sickness was meant to end after the pregnancy eh??!

mammyjo good to hear the bf is going a bit better. Keep swigging that squash

octo haven't a clue about weaning! sorry! Only just sorting bf'ing!

maveta - aw, hon, sorry to hear you think Noah might have tt. Does he have a heart-shaped tongue when he tries to stick it out. Hope that the doc's help you out and are sympathetic. If he has it, it probably is the reason he's taking so long to latch on. at 30mins! My milk is pretty free-flowing too, which I think has helped me keep feeding. Re: nipples being sore and whether it's "normal sore" or not - I was like that, but I when I got to 10days/2wks I was beginning to think that it should be pain-free by now. I'm getting through by slapping on the Lansinoh (like you ) and getting my boobs out as much as possible and letting them dry and heal in the air. Also, if one gets v sore, I try and feed on the other side more, but still try and hand express a bit on the sore side to try to keep my milk supply even. This is clearly not working as one boob is about double the size of the other . I am seriously hoping this is not permanent!!!!!!!!!!!!!

runny - sorry to hear you've been feeling low. Glad to hear you have an understanding mw and are feeling you can get through. Well done for hand-expressing. I haven't tried the pump yet, but hand-expressing I seem to get hardly any! Don't know how I'd fill a bottle by hand!!

nutty at random phonecall!!! HOW AWFUL!!! Hope they don't keep calling.

Phew, that was a huge post!! Right, need to go and find some foooooooooood!!

Hi all,

Many congrats to those who are suffering with bf and still going . It can be so difficult to start with, and that's without mastisis / tongue tie / thrush etc. Thank goodness for lansinoh . I'm almost pain free on the bf front now. Am a bit nervous I may have something going on with right nipple but not sure - it stings for a while after feeding (but not at latch or during). Don't think it's thrush as Ruby is feeding without any apparent pain and her mouth doesn't have any white bits. I had a staphlococcus infection in my milk with DD1 so am a bit wary it might be that. Will see if it settles down over the next couple of days.

We've had a lovely weekend. Wine festival here (though sadly just a glass for me). And we went to the botanical gardens today. Glorious weather too.

Nights are still OK here but Ruby is doing that on/off the boob all evening thing. I remember it with the others. Hope it doesn't last too long.

Love to all. Hope the last few April babies are arriving now

Hi all.

Runny I was thinking about you earlier today as you hadn't been on for a while. I am sorry you are feeling low, and glad that you have a mw who sounds v supportive. It is v difficult to juggle 2 dc's, and I think from memory, your ds1 is still quite young. Hang on in there.

Maveta/CB, lovely to hear from our Spanish contingency! Hope you can get some answers Maveta re the tongue tie possibiity, and CB, hope your nipple pain goes.

All I can say is all credit to you ladies battling with b/f with thrush etc etc.

Hello to everyone else - have read the posts twice and can't remember things still!

We have had a mega busy day. Inlaws called in at 9.30 for a couple of hours, and then we had some friends and bil and his girlfriend over from 3.00 for a BBQ. They all left at 6.30, and it was so nice just to be the 4 of us again. K has been a star today- happily being passed around, drinking her milk and then going to sleep. Keep wondering if this is the calm before a storm!

Anyway, really hope all you lovely mummies are well, and that your lo's are thriving.
Take care of yourselves and catch up later on. xx

Nutty, my coccyx were really painful after having DD, I felt like an old ladym especially when getting up from sitting down. It is nearly 3 years later and obviously i;ve had DS2 since but they are still painful Not all the time but if I have to sit down for long periods then they are really achey and it is painful to get up from sitting on hard chairs.

Maveta, DS1 had tongue tie. His tie was tight and his tongue was flat, it did not affect his feeding but we decided to have it done. DS never babbled and I am not sure if it was because of the TT or because he had glue ear but after having the op he did start to babble, DS was 12 months before he had the op and had to have a general, I am not sure whether if they are younger they need this so worth getting looked at sooner rather than later.

I must have had 24 hour bug as am fine now

Just saying hello before bed (notice I do NOT say before sleep ).

runny - I said to DS2 last night, 'Oh, ffs, PLEASE shut up' so you are certainly not alone. I bet all mums have said similar in the night; the babes don't know, and probably find it as interesting as anything else.

My bladder has improved a hell of a lot, so hooray! No longer smell like an old lady, nor leave wet patches on seats But I know my UTI is still there, so will have to get some more treatment, which is a pain

Gabe is great, but another one who feeds all evening and half the night before deciding he'll sleep at all. DS1 being terrific except for when the baby cries, which is still pretty much a really difficult situation, one I don't always manage well at all.

Can't remember a thing I was going to say to anyone else now, but I send love and hope all sufferers a better night!
xx

Hi all, though I have to say goodnight and go upstairs to either sleep or feed or attempt a bit of both - I will have to start playing with my photos tomorrow! I'm so happy at finally being on postnatal.

I will be looking when I can get time for tips on how to overcome a total lack of hand/eye coordination and being very easily distracted to hold and support him when he finally gets latched on to the breast - I'm having to feed with nipple shields and my first visit from the community midwife actually included her saying she was wrong and I was right about him getting milk through the shield just fine - very reassuring and I was terribly impressed that she was prepared to say that to this hopeless novice - but I'm finding it almost impossible to remember how to hold him and keep him on the breast for next time - positions etc. Any tips on good threads on mumsnet will be appreciated. Goodnight again

Hello all. Having a mad weekend with the 5 kids and DP and I desperately trying to finish a big job at work! Luckily the kids have been understanding....

Have had a quick read but can't process any info just yet - will make a better effort tomorrow.

Also off to bed - and not to sleep - baby zazas likes to have a boob every 2 hours it seems at night although I am so tired I really don't know what times she is feeding!

take care all

Runny - I am so with you on the ´why are nights so hard?´.. it all seems so much harder at 4am, doesn´t it??

Octo, thanks babe and as far as weaning goes I reckon you know your baby and would only be doing what you think is best for him so bugger what anyone else says.

I´ve not taken any iron since the birth, I´ve been really bad actually and should try and finish off what I´ve got, I just keep forgetting.

As always much admiration for those of you doing all of this AND looking after older dcs.. I cannot imagine...

Eca - thanks - his tongue isn´t heart shaped but only because he can´t stick it out at all, he can´t get it past his lower lip, in fact probably not past his lower gum. My poor baby. My nipples are getting better, they don´t look quite as scabby and sore but are still very tender.. I´m also keeping them out as much as poss. which is a lovely look I can tell you Feeding on the whole is more or less painless and I´m starting to think that what was painful latching on is actually my let-down? I´m not sure what that is though and why it would be painful? Except some of you have said it is so it got me thinking..

CB - hope your boob feels better soon and doesn´t develop into anything more..

WCL - thanks re. tt again.. I wouldn´t want anyone to do the procedure on him if it isn´t necessary so hopefully they will have a look, maybe watch me feeding, and let me know. Might be too much to ask??

Hello to everyone else I´ve not managed to mention, off to upload a new photo of me and Noah to my profile

Morning all, hope everyone is well, albeit tired.

Zaza's, do not know how you cope - your life sounds manic!

WCL, glad you are feeling better - nothing worse than feeling crap and looking after dc's.

Bugmum, glad things are under control with your bladder, and the uti soon leaves you in peace.

We had a good night last night. K fed at 9.00 pm then at 2.00 am and then at 6.30 a.m. So, a great night, although dh is whinging that he is tired and is incredibly short tempered with B. K is in our room at night in her moses basket at the end of the bed, and he is finding it disturbing as like most babies, she is quite noisy when asleep - lots of grunting and shuffling about.

Can I ask -

Has anyone moved their babies in to their own room yet?

Also, another question for bottle feeding mums - what is your babies poo like?? K's is yellow but quite runny. B, who was also bottle fed had poo that was much better formed. So, I am wondering if K still has a slight gastric infection (I think this was why she had green poo last week) or something else.

Hope everyone else is well. No idea wat we are going to do today, as the weather here is pants.

Lots of love

SOSKL, green poo is also an indication for colic but i'd imagine you'd know if you had a colicky baby!

Maveta, we had to see ENT Consultant and I can remember her saying you need to have a fairly mobile tongue or words to that effect for dental hygiene reasons, to move food around etc. Obviously only going to be an issue if the tie is tight.

WCL, hopefully we don't seem to have developed colic, although I know it can strike at any time! I think K had a mild bug, as I had a poorly tummy on Friday night/Saturday a.m. and K had had green poo from Wednesday until Saturday, and now it has gone back to yellow, but just a bit runnier than I expected from a bottle fed baby. x