March 2017 (3)

[purpleviolet1]

Thread three!

purple I wondered that coz that's what DD does. If I give df she wakes at 4. If I don't give df she wakes at 2-3 but will only have 3oz on the wake ups

I always do a df then expect baby to wake up 2/3 or 4/5
When few weeks old and as they get older do 3am then 7 - then 4:7 then 5/7 etc and continue with df till sleep through till 7

Then few weeks later once doing 11/7 then go to 10/7 then reduce amount

Some babies really are hungry and need a night feee tho usually b 6mths as on solids they are full up and sleep 11/7

If continues then it may be habit and I offer water in the night - usually after 2/3mightts of this they stop waking

Obv it depends on what they have daytime in milk and solids

As in I would never stop a df until they sleep through from df till morning

Yes carol.. df worked for me before but not since he had the allergy for the second time. I guess because he hasn't been taking as much milk since it was changed and he prob needs proper solids and a decent milk intake now. As soon as he picked up his milk intake he got ill and refused solids so he's yet to be in a position where he is taking both properly. I imagine he will sleep through then as some nights he wakes at 3 and other nights closer to 5

That's why I still do it coz I know she doesn't have enough during the day. For example today she had 18oz and 7 of that was her bedtime feed. She never seems hungry enough for her feeds

Oh I've slowly been cutting down his oz that I'm offering - he's on 3 at the moment (with the exception of a couple of nights when he was really poorly and hadn't had much daytime milk at all - I then offered full 7 after a night when he woke twice, understandably. I should've realised myself that he needed more).

I m a bit scared to cut down to 2 but will see how things settle after his cold before taking next step

Things have definitely been complicated for us with his whole reflux and CMPA journey, I'm just grateful (or try to be) that he's much better now than he was. Much happier and as I say I can cope with one night feed (which is a really big thing for me , with my own health issues I never thought I would cope)

DD refused her DF last night and slept until just before 5. Gave her 2oz and she's gone back to sleep (just) hopefully she will have at least an hour so she can have her breakfast at 7:30 as usual

Morning all, hope you all had a good night.

Well ds slept through! Few times during the night he made a noise as if crying out , about to wake, but each time I was getting the milk ready he was sound asleep. Usually he awakes with eyes open and then I go in.

purple
That's brilliant! Well done for getting to this point, you have come so far.

Blondes
Thank you
I am breastfeeding and used to express regularly but stopped after DS went through yet another phase of refusing the bottle. We decided to try with formula as it was less depressing to throw formula away if he refused it! He is taking the bottle again - for now, touch wood... So I will start expressing again if and when I can be bothered!
Funny you said that DS might be hungry at midnight, he definitely was last night. It also occurred to me before going to bed that because he still has such a strong "feed to sleep" association at night, feeding makes him so sleepy that he is probably falling asleep before he has taken a full feed, which might then leave him hungry and waking up regularly to snack throughout the night. So I think that rather than feeding him lying down in bed it's probably a good idea to get up and feed him sitting up (as we do throughout the day and before bed) and make sure he gets a proper feed. Either that or DH gives him a bottle.

Last night was awful, mainly because DS woke up around 11.30pm and wouldn't settle with DH, he was really crying and we disagreed on how to deal with it DH insisted on trying to rock him for much longer than I was comfortable with. I find it so hard when DS is REALLY crying (as opposed to protest whinging when he is fighting sleep) and in the end I insisted on taking DS myself and feeding him, but only after lots of crying from DS and some from me Anyway I fed DS sitting up instead of in bed and he had a full feed which was good (and proof that he was hungry!) then put him down awake and he fell asleep himself without crying... which suggests to me that if he is really objecting to sleep then it's probably hunger or pain and not some kind of battle of wills as DH seems to think Anyway the full feed didn't get us much more sleep as he woke up screaming 1h30 later We were pretty sure it was teething pain and gave him some paracetamol. Still had a few more wakings after that so feeling like shit today.
I had written down the plan but didn't stick to it exactly. DH said there is no point having one if we don't stick to it, and I can see his point, but I also think we need to be flexible. As I told him last night, letting DS scream for ages was never part of the plan!
I have been wondering if moving DS to his own room would help and we will probably do it soon, just got to reorganise a couple of things as we have a cot top changer and his cot is full of changing stuff! I'd been hoping to keep him in with us a bit longer so I might give it another week to see if his sleep improves, but if not will move him then.

@NameChange30 sorry to hear you've had a bad night  hopefully this time will pass. How are your ds's teeth coming along? Has the one that popped come up a bit more?

@HughLauriesStubble difficult to say hugh, he refused lunch today so will see what tonight brings. Although I'm tempted to offer water instead if he wakes up?? Any advice??

Your overhang has almost gone so jealous! Mine did seem smaller but I've been living on junk food especially when exhausted I drink too much coke it seems to have gone straight on to the overhang. No advice re infection sorry 😐 I'm having the steroid injections in the scar and it's been quite painful again. The pain never really went completely for me but the injection definitely caused more pain. Got the next one in about a week.

@HughLauriesStubble funnily enough I've just been looking up Pilates classes but can't find anything nearby and in the evening are you going to a weekly class? I know a lot of people follow YouTube videos but I'm not disciplined enough to stick it on and actually do it.

The scar should eventually hopefully stop being painful and stop growing. It's a thick line now bulging on the surface as the scar tissue keeps on growing. My body is trying too hard to heal it basically and overreacting

That sounds great. How long until you noticed a difference? (Or when did you start?)

Ds had a grumpy day. Refused lunch and dinner and sounded more blocked today. Rosy cheeks and really gnawing as well. Settled ok for bed thankfully. Gave him some nurofen.

So total oz today was 21 plus breakfast. Yesterday he had 23oz plus breakfast lunch and dinner.

Will try the water ...

Have just caught up!

@NameChange30 I hope you have a better night tonight. It is hard when they cry, I'm the same; DH will let DS cry for a lot longer than me.

We went out for a meal last night as it was DH's cousins birthday. DS wouldn't go to sleep the entire time we were out even though he was incredibly tired, we didn't get back til nearly 10 so did df then straight to bed. Luckily he settled quite quick.

Today he wouldn't have his 11am nap as we weren't at home and instead slept for 1.5hrs at 2:30. He took ever such a long time to settle this evening.

I don't know how to get him to sleep when we're out, does anyone have any ideas? Sometimes he's in his pushchair but mostly in his car seat, pushing it back and forth doesn't work.

Thanks everyone. DH and I talked about it today and I'm feeling a bit better, I think we are more on the same page now about how to deal with it.

Hugh
Yes, breastfeeding is great but it does make things unequal, doesn't it. Shame men don't lactate!
About your scar - I wonder if you could take fluconazole when breastfeeding... I think it's ok but you would need to check... it's very effective against thrush.

purple
I think his bottom teeth are sticking out a bit more, they're cute! No sign of any more yet although it does look as if he might get one or two top teeth soon. He's definitely been in pain - rubbing his ears and not feeding much in the day (I think that's why he was hungry last night... doh!)
Sounds like your DS is teething as well, hope the nurofen does the trick and he has another good night.

coupester
DS is the same, it's a real battle to get him to sleep when we're out, as he's far too interested in everything! I recently discovered (sort of by accident) that the easiest way to get him to sleep is to put him in the Ergobaby, tummy to tummy position. I think being snuggled up helps him to feel secure and sleepy, and he can't see much either. Once he's asleep I can gently transfer him to the pushchair, but it takes a lot of fast walking to get him to sleep from scratch in the pushchair.

Last night good 7-8

Tonight will be different. Dd teething and has cold. Refused her bedtime bottle. Unheard of :( and bed 615 in my arms bless her

Woke 7 crying. Didn't want milk and had to cuddle her asleep. Again very rare

Is restless. Sure will have wakings. Will offer dd before I go to bed

@name. Can dh feed 11/12 and see what happens

Yes there are plans etc but Agree when upset no point letting them
Cry. You know the diff - same as I rocked dd back to sleep earlier - wouldn't normally do it but was so unsettled

Maybe try own room for a night ......

@carol. That's good. Hope dd took breakfast ok

@purple. Yah. I always have a pre made bottle and bottle in bedrooom when dd was waking up so could feed and bed

Dd will usually have 8 breakie - prob 6/7 and remainder in with porridge

Keeps refusing 11am feed so stopped giving it to her and isn't bothered but again have spare ready made and bottle in baby bag incase out and wants it

3pm 6/7

Bedtime 6/7

So 20/22oz a day roughly and 3 meals

@coup. Does dd have a comforter

Dd has bunny and literally as give to her she puts thumb in mouth and will sleep. If in buggy then a gentle jiggle /rock works better there pushing buggy up and down

DD has been her happy self today but hasn't had much formula or solids. She's had flushed cheeks all day no temp and it's not affected her mood. She's had different naps today due to her sleeping til 7:30 this morning she didn't settle as well as she has done when she's woken earlier in the morning she still had the same amount of time over 2 naps

Sorry blondes didn't understand your message. Do you mean yes give water?

@NameChange30 we also have the problem of going to sleep when out. Seems to be a new thing. He has been nearing hysterical. As soon as we got into the car he nodded off, even though we tried putting him to sleep in buggy, out of buggy, rocking, on shoulder, everything.

Sorry I'm posting message after message. @NameChange30 meant to say it's a problem when out in shopping centre or something. But if at a friends house , even if unfamiliar, I can put him in a bed and after a bit of whinging he will settle. So seems to be that he just can't settle in busy environments. TBH I just avoid at nap times for a quieter life

Hi. Yes if you think it's habit and not waking up due to hunger offer water. May settle. May not

But if is eating and feeding well daytime then worth a try. Unless you think he is really hungry