February 2007 Post Natal Club

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Hello

I know it's not even February yet, but here is the new thread. Even though Jacob was born in January, I feel he is an honorary Febster!!!

Looking forward to more new bubs coming this way!!!

oh rubyandoscarsmummy i am so sorry to hear that but am pleased that he is now better.. all my love and best wishes.
xxx

Oh you must have been terrified, so glad he's ok now and hope he stays that way!

Well done R+O mummy for getting to the hospital in time. My worst fear is that I won't think its serious enough to trouble anyone. Hope Oscar is fine - I would think that if there were any serious doubts they would have kept you in so being home is a very positive sign I'd have thought.

Maaza I think suzi2 is right - you might end up sacrificing your 'sleeping through the night' if you try to cut feeds in the evening too. BF babies rarely sleep through the night before about 6mths so you are lucky at the moment to get this. If I recall correctly, my son (who was an evening muncher too) just started to go longer and longer in the evening between feeds and eventually I put him upstairs with the monitor and started waking him at 11pm. You could always try it and see sometimes the dark room helps them to sleep a bit deeper, but be prepared to be up and down the stairs all evening! I remember too going shopping for clothes for the first time and becoming totally dperessed about my figure. It took me ages to shift the last stone of baby weight - I think that I might need that fat for bf - that's my excuse anyway and this time I'm trying not to worry too much about it.

Everything here ok except I had a wobbly lip moment with DH today when he rang up for advice with a problem. I just have become very selfish and don't want to have to think about his probs esp the work ones. To top it all I had run about all morning to get his lunch together (had to shop for it first) and then he tells me he's bought a andwich! Men!

Suis we've had the same snacker problem here as well, which has lead to a milk imbalance and subsequent grouchy hungrier baby. I think I've sorted it by feeding from one side until he comes off, then burping him, then trying him again with the same side. If he doesn't seem interested I change his nappy stripping him off, this wakes him up a bit more, give him 5 mins and then put his nappy on and try to feed again. So far he gone on to empty the breast and is now sleeping more soundly and generally happier.
Does anyone know if b/feeding makes you keep a bit more weight on you? Someone mentioned this today when I said I still had 1/2 stone to lose, just wondered what everyone else knew. I've started running again so hopefully it'll come off, but if it doesn't until I stop b/f as people are suggesting then I could be like this for over a year, which frankly is a more hideous thought than trying for another baby at this point!

When I went ot the BF clinic I was told to do a 3 part feed,
1 let baby feed until they seem to have a break, then sit them up to help it go down / wind come up etc
2 put back on the same breast until they seems finished then sit up again
3 try the other breast ( it doesn't mean they need / want it but always offer.

This is similar to what you describe sorky, It seems to work for us

With DD1 I used to feed until she came off, wind her, feed again until she stopped, change her nappy, feed again.

Sorky I have spoken to people at toddler group about this, from what people say it seems that you either lose it quickly because you bf, or you hang on to it until you stop, depending on your metabolism . The naturally thin people seem to lose it quickly, the larger ladies seem to hang on to it until they stop.

well I'm naturally (normally) thin and lost it quickly with first, slower with second (but was lazy tbh) and actually do seem to be holding onto it this time...soooo make of that what you will. Course eating mini donuts won't help! Aah stuff it, it'll come off eventually...

(before child needs to be fed AGAIN!)

R&Omummy - sorry to hear about your hospital trip - hope everything is ok now.

We have managed our second night of only one feed with 5 hours beween them - long may it last! He only had 30 - 40 ml of milk - hardly worth the effort! Hopefully we will lose this feed soon!

I still have half a stone to shift of baby weight - will have to try cutting down next week when we get to 6 weeks post natal (seems a good time to start!!)

Hi everyone, Can't believe anyone's worried about half a stone before six weeks! Please ladies, we've just had babies -a little podge is definitely allowed! I for one am not making any attempt to lose weight yet and don't expect to be before Ruth is at least 3 months old and 'easier'. Probably will go for the odd brisk walk around the park - but will make up for this with a lively cappuchino and stody cake or biscuit in the cafe afterwards!

Anyone else having a bit of strife with the inlaws or parents? My MIL is distinctly off at the moment. I'm suprised she hasn't even mentioned coming to see her new gd yet, despite my DH inviting her a few times. Its hurtful for DH,who's already feeling hard done by, having to go to work (with a cold) while I'm at home. Of course he hasn't got a clue what looking after 2 is really like!

FFT, I have the opposite problem here, MIL came round the day after DD was born and seemed offended when I wasn't very talkative and surprised when I was very slow and uncomfortable. Then she turned up unannounced one lunch time, then came a few days later and was most put out that I didn't wake DD up so she could see her

Hello

So sorry to hear about Oscar, Rubyandoscarsmummy - how's he doing now? What a shock. I hope you are all ok.

Congratulations to those of you who are perservering with the BF. I think you're ace and so wish mine had lasted.

Jacob had his jabs yesterday - one of which was the menigitis one, I think. He didn't cry for the first one but roared briefly on the second stab!! He didn't have his usual monster evening feed, just slept. He didn't have a fever, but it was a bit disconcerting. Anyone else had a similar experience? He was weighed yesterday and is 10 pounds and 4 ounces! So he's doubled his birthweight, which is great and is travelling up the middle line in his red book. Such a relief for us. He'll come off his special formula when he's 11 pounds, so we'll have to get used to paying for it! Thinking of going for SMA Gold. Any recommendations from those not bf-ing?

Finally, on topic of MILs, mine has suggested our ds might like to suck on a bit of chocolate on Easter Day. He'll be 3 months (2 of which were premature). Am I wrong to be at the suggestion?!

HI all, A terrible night for us last night I am still in my jamas now!!
rubyandoscarsmummy I hope things are settling down for you now.
Mazaa I was warned off SMA in the hospital and told to go for Aptimil. The breast feeeding lady said it was the best due to the probiotics.
At the moment I have mixed feelinga about breast feeding. Maya often seem to have lots of snacky feeds and I am concerned that she is not geting the hind milk. I know some of this paranoia stems from the baby clinic on tues where they said that although she was gaining weight, she was moving between two centiles. Everyone elses baby seem huge in comparison to her too.

What are other people doing about routine? I haven't been setting one or even trying to just going with the flow (which is advice I took from mumsnet - get through the first 6 weeks and then see what happens)but at a postnatal group I went to on wednesday everyone seemed very keen on them. One woman was doing SWMNBN with a 16 week old.

The house saga continues. We do now have a new buyer and the mortgage has been increased to match the new offer we put on the new house. But we were rung today with the bank saying they want another valuation. Everytime we answer the phone it is just so depressing.

hi everyone.

hope all is well

mazaa i use cow and gate have done with both my babies and was told that all formula is fundamentally the same with the exceptions of lactose free and soya etc.most baby milks have probiotics in them now too.
its just personal choice my mum used cow and gate and so did everyone else i know except my sister who uses sma gold and she has no problems with that 1 either hth

on another note i have had the worst 2 days in a long time.

went shopping yesterday and went to get in the car and the door fell off!!! yes the door fell off! so i was rescued by my dad and he managed to fix it.

i got home and ds2 was running a fever. i took him to the out of hours surgery and was kept there for a while til he cooled down and was feeling better. finally got home around 11.

then this morning i go to the car and it had been broken into. my stereo stolen but the most annoyin thing is they didnt smash the window they have bent the door down with a crow bar. its completely folded down and am now taking it to the garage to be fixed

gonna go have a cry first

Bubblebell thats awful, hope it gets sorted quickly

Oh blimey, people really seem to be having a rough time. R&OMummy, so pleased that you are home with DS and that you spotted the signs early. Hope he is alright and that you are all able to settle down again. Bubblebell at them wrecking your car. Was it the same door that had fallen off? Do you think they had already had a go at it? I hope DS2 is better.
Maazaa that's great news about Jacob. I was thinking about getting DS a whole Easter egg - perhaps a Snickers one because I think he might like to suck on the peanuts We have just got appointment through for jabs so I don't know how things will go for us. It sounds like Jacob just slept off the experience but like you say, a bit disconcerting.
I'm lucky because my MIL is really nice. It probably also helps that she's in the Caribbean so no chance of her just popping over. That's sad too though because DH family are all quite far away so haven't seen DS yet.
Peachygirl - I hope things with the house finally get sorted. I'm sure it will be worth it in the end (easy for me to say I know) DS is nearly 7 weeks and I haven't really been doing anything about routine. I'm feeding him when he wants (which is sometimes quite snacky) and he sleeps when he wants. I am trying to put him to bed on a night at about 10pm and just feeding and putting him back to bed until about 6.45. It seems to work but I think that's because it fits in with what he wanted rather than anything I have done! He seems to be sleeping longer and being awake longer but every time I wonder if I can see a pattern to it, he changes
I went for my 6 week check today. It was back at the hospital because I had a 3rd degree tear. All she did was ask me whether everything was ok, whether it was healed ok, whether I had any leakage from my back passage and whether I could control wind. I said as far as I knew no problems, so she discharged me. I thought it a bit because I thought they would at least take a look. What has anyone else had for their checks?

Good grief! what a lot of scares and hassles, hope you all get sorted soon.
We don't have a routine here, except that led by his Highness. HV weighed him today at 11lb 3.5oz, feeding very well obviously .
Can't help on the formula issue, sorry. My sister uses SMA and seems happy if that helps. We won't be having the immunisations so not much help there either I'm afraid.

I started using Farleys with DD1 but changed to SMA as it was cheaper, am now using SMA again for DD2, I didn't know there was any difference between them!

DD2 seems to be putting on weight, she now has a chubby face and a big round tummy. I tried weighing her on the kitchen scales today but she was too wriggly! I do have some baby scales but can't be bothered to get them in from the garage...

What a scare R&O mummy - glad everything is OK.

peachy, I get SOOOO angry when I hear HVs at baby clinics getting all wound up about centile changes. Maya is gaining weight, healthy and happy and that's all that matters, not what number she is (or isn't) on a chart. DS started at 50th, dropped to 25th, moved between 9th and 50th for the first year of his life and is now between 9th and 25th. And I fully expect that to change as he takes growth spurts etc. For height he dropped from 98th to off the bottom on the chart (now back on at 2nd). Nothing wrong, just that he was 'finding his place' on the charts. I can't believe I used to worry so much about it all!

Talking of charts, is anyone else still waiting on their red book? I have no idea whatsoever where DD is on her charts or where she started - which is probably a good thing or I might start stressing!

DD is getting a little more predictable but no routine. She's doing her 2 hours of crying at the moment with DH - seems to do it this time every night. DS did it from 5pm to midnight (or more) so I'll not complain!

I think DD must be growing - in 7 days she's gone from having 18ozs to 27.5ozs per day! I think I may have to get her weighed soon...

hi, just passing so apologies I haven't had time to read everyone's news. hugs to anyone having a tough time at the mo.

just thought I'd pop in a thought about routines as someone was asking. With DS1 we didn't do anything but follow his lead until 8/9 weeks and then sort of tried to predict and control things a bit but not hugely. With DS2, because he's the second, I've tried to get him a bit more sorted a bit earlier as I need to be able to figure out when to go and do things and when I'm going to need to sit around for an hour to feed. By no means doing full on SWMNBN as there's lots I disagree with, but trying to make sure a) no more than 4hrs between feeds during the day and b) no more than 2hrs between sleeps during the day (as harder to settle when overtired). This seems to work OK for us. Also waking DS for a feed at around 11pm and then he goes through to 4/5 ish which isn't too bad.

As for weighing etc, I haven't bothered so far apart from when he's been due to see the MW or HV anyway. I can see that he's growing (has grown out of smallest babygros already and getting chubby cheeks) and TBH I can't be bothered to trog down to the health centre. I think there's a lot of unnecessary focus on baby weight - if they're healthy, feeding, filling nappies and not screaming for food all day then they're probably doing fine.

have a good weekend all.

Hello folks, I've got a spare 2 mins so I thought I would drop a quick post. I'm pleased to say that we are doing well here. We've managed to get the breastfeeding pretty much on track, which is great, and even been having some pretty long sleeps at night (although there are still a few no-more-than-an-hour-at-a-time nights). So far I am surprising myself by how much I am loving being a mum. It's bloody tiring but so much more fulfilling than anything else I've ever done. (gushing again, must be the hormones . However, a couple of questions for you out there...

First question - what is SWMNBN ? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times in relation to setting routines, but no idea what it is. We are currently trying to set sort of gentle routines, just doing the same things each night at bedtime and having him sleep in his moses basket with us at night only, but in his bouncy chair or his cot during the day. Seems to work some of the time, but I reckon thats as good as can be expected at less than 6 weeks !

Second question - I really don't want to open a can of worms here, but I know some people are choosing not to have the immunisations and I am interested to know the reasoning behind this. Sandy's shots are due in a couple of weeks and I'm just weighing it up.

Hi everyone,
Things good with us here, a couple of relatively good nights. We went to a NCT sale at the weekend and got some bargains, lovely clothesfor £4 and a bumbo for £15. Also a playgym which I really don't like, it's not what I wanted when I got it out the box so I will try to swap / sell it on here or gumtree.

Suis SWMNBN is the lady who writes the books who we are not allowed to talk about (She Who Must Not Be Named)

I have opinions about immunisations and we will be having them but I'll let someone else open the can of worms!!

hi everyone!

been trying to get around to posting on this thread for yonks. haven't read everyones posts, just past few, but thought if i don't post now, i might never.

rosie is almost 4 weeks now. march has just disappeared (in direct contrast to jan and feb dragging!). bf going well, although she has colic and evenings can be tortuous. she's growing well but still feels small and 'newborny' which is lovely.

will go and read your posts now...
love to you all and your los.

ps suis have you seen there is a stirling meet up being organised for next week to meet figleaf who is new to area? here

In reply to the immunisation question Suis, we have decided not to have them because we feel it's too much for his little body to handle at such a young age. We're researching the single vaccine route so that we can space them better when he's a little older, the sticking point is that the whooping cough is proving hard to get hold of. Exclusively b/f babies will receive protection from the mother ,provided she is fully immunised, until the age of 6 months when protection starts to reduce. The guidelines for immunisation are that it should be no earlier than 2 months, so even if we end up having to go for the 5-in-1 (I doubt it) then we choose to start the process at 6 months instead and space the vaccines further apart. All of our children have had the single MMR's and these were spaced 6 months apart, and we don't give boosters.
We have just discussed this with our HV who stated that we could immunise with the combined anytime we chose if we changed our minds.
The book "The Vaccine Guide" by Randall Neustaedter was extremely helpful.
It is a contentious issue, this is simply our position. Is there any easy decision when it comes to parenting I wonder?

In reply to the immunisation question Suis, we have decided not to have them because we feel it's too much for his little body to handle at such a young age. We're researching the single vaccine route so that we can space them better when he's a little older, the sticking point is that the whooping cough is proving hard to get hold of. Exclusively b/f babies will receive protection from the mother ,provided she is fully immunised, until the age of 6 months when protection starts to reduce. The guidelines for immunisation are that it should be no earlier than 2 months, so even if we end up having to go for the 5-in-1 (I doubt it) then we choose to start the process at 6 months instead and space the vaccines further apart. All of our children have had the single MMR's and these were spaced 6 months apart, and we don't give boosters.
We have just discussed this with our HV who stated that we could immunise with the combined anytime we chose if we changed our minds.
The book "The Vaccine Guide" by Randall Neustaedter was extremely helpful.
It is a contentious issue, this is simply our position. Is there any easy decision when it comes to parenting I wonder?